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| It May Be Time...; for a trade | |
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| totallypucked | Dec 10 2008, 12:59 PM Post #41 |
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Numbers begone, I've got lots of faith in our Top 4. And that includes injury boy Martinek. |
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| Craving_the_Cup_Since_1992 | Dec 10 2008, 05:53 PM Post #42 |
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Weight and Guerin should stay. If we can get something good for Witt, then maybe, but then, why offer Witt an early extension if we just trade him? If Sillinger is going to take a spot from a fire starter, then trade him. Comrie can go. All this trade talk is nice, but remember that the Islanders can't start trading wildly. We have to stay above the cap floor, and players like Witt, Comrie, Sillinger, Guerin, and Weight keep us above that floor. Moving Sim isn't as much of a risk because losing his 1 million either won't affect the team, or can be covered by finding a player on waivers. |
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| Dr. Generosity | Dec 10 2008, 09:19 PM Post #43 |
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I agree in principle with your fish-eyed, realistic look at how things stand, especially with guys who won't be signed to new deals. But guys like Guerin, Weight, and Witt also provide needed stability and leadership, not to mention veteran influence and instruction, and we need to be especially pragmatic about trade offers concerning these sorts of guys when this year's draft is projected to be a bit soft outside of the top dozen picks or so. |
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| puckhead | Dec 11 2008, 08:27 AM Post #44 |
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If Guerin and Weight aren't extended to contracts by the deadline, then they're our main trading chips........both are dealable.....even if its just for picks. |
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| Snowy | Dec 11 2008, 11:48 AM Post #45 |
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I would rather take a chance and land a diamond in the rough that can help us 5 years from now rather than keep these guys around for a couple of years of leadership. I'm not saying leadership and their instruction isn't important, but talent is what is most important. And the more draft picks you stock up the better your chances are of landing talent. I'm excited about guys like Bailey and Okposo, but they aren't centerpieces to a rebuild. They are a part of a very good core that is in need of a centerpiece. Tavares or Hedman are centerpiece players. Adding a few extra draft picks, maybe even a 1st rounder, would be the smartest thing to do. And let's not forget about something like this: what if we wind up with the #3 pick and the team at #2 isn't crazy about Tavares. Those extra draft picks then become CRUCIAL to possibly trade up. People have very nice ideas about keeping these vets around for their mentoring, but it doesn't improve the skill level of the team. Bill Guerin teaching Blake Comeau work ethic isn't going to turn him into a 50 goal scorer. |
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| Dr. Generosity | Dec 11 2008, 12:48 PM Post #46 |
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Point well made, but skill's just one component, albeit an important component, of the pro game. Players learn other qualities like determination, perseverence, and grit from the example of effective veteran players. Moreover, vets teach young players about their longtime opponents, and tell them of nuances on the ice (faceoff strategy, working the corners, defense tendencies, etc.) that coaches may overlook. Good vets (Bert Marshall, Ed Westfall) are remembered for their contributions not only to their teammates, but to a franchise's development. Less impressive ones (Garry Galley, Travis Green) are remembered for setting selfish, divisive, or lackadaisal examples and imparting bad habits to young players. For me, it boils down to this---we have a decent stable of vets with impressive character and some talent and legs left. If we can resign the better ones, specifically Weight and Guerin, I'd do it. However, there are probably a fair number of decent veteran players available any given offseason, so any of our better vets are probably expendable for a good asset at the deadline. And if we're seriously looking at the top 2 spots in this year's draft, we do what we can to make sure we land there. No question we need guys like Tavares or Hedman. |
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| Dark Helmet | Dec 11 2008, 01:00 PM Post #47 |
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Isn't that what happened with Vinny Prospal last year? correct me if i'm wrong. |
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| Dark Helmet | Dec 11 2008, 01:01 PM Post #48 |
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That would be nice, but we are too close to the cap floor to be able to deal even one of those guys...MAYBE we'd be able to ship off Weight. That's it though. |
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| stevedepot | Dec 11 2008, 01:06 PM Post #49 |
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The cap # doesn't stay the same all year from the number we see at the onset. Each time a player gets called up, the number is recalculated. As the season wears on, a larger portion of players salaries is already counted on this years cap so we really aren't near the cap floor like many think. besides, we still have the Yashin and Bates buyout security blanket on the cap. :lol: |
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| Dark Helmet | Dec 11 2008, 01:13 PM Post #50 |
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We're close enough, Steve, to make it difficult. That's the trick here. We can't just trade the aging vets for draft picks because we would need a decent cap hit to come in return. That's why I suggested trading guys like Guerin, Witt, Sillinger, with maybe one of our draft picks to get a pretty good player in return. And YES, Guerin and Weight have great value to a team thats already a contender. |
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| stevedepot | Dec 11 2008, 01:17 PM Post #51 |
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Just checked, currently at just over 48m. PLENTY of wiggle room to trade away vets for picks (if that were to happen). |
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| viking | Dec 13 2008, 05:54 PM Post #52 |
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I would trade witt for two young players to fill up a roster (def + forward etc) |
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| Dark Helmet | Dec 13 2008, 06:46 PM Post #53 |
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I'd rather trade him for one scoring forward. Love the guys heart but this team is in trouble considering the situation. But if we get rid of Witter this year, Garth better be prepared to pick up a stay-at-home d-man with a mean steak in either the draft of free agency. From what i've read, Hedman would be a dream come true. |
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| viking | Dec 13 2008, 08:54 PM Post #54 |
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whatever we can get. young promising forward sounds good |
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| Islander4cups | Dec 13 2008, 10:36 PM Post #55 |
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That is why I won't be angry if we don't get the number 1 pick overall. If we get number 2, just as well. Either way we get a stud forward or a number 1 dman for the next decade. |
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| Craving_the_Cup_Since_1992 | Dec 13 2008, 11:18 PM Post #56 |
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I appreciate that Tampa is still worse than us, and they have Vinny, Marty, and last year's #1, but I think what it may be time for is: A NEW SECOND UNIT ON THE PP. No more Hilbert, Park... |
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| Webb20 | Dec 14 2008, 08:31 AM Post #57 |
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You right. Slow and old is no way to build a hockey winner. |
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| fastymctalent55 | Dec 14 2008, 11:24 AM Post #58 |
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Definitely 1 or 2 is perfectly fine. |
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| IslanderQueen | Dec 14 2008, 12:06 PM Post #59 |
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I'm not good at this keep wiping the board clean till it works.... we get rid of one then the other then the one we had doesnt fit with the new one then after next year we fire gordon and it goes on and on and on... |
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| tsharaf | Dec 14 2008, 12:13 PM Post #60 |
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Its a viscious cycle, isn't it? I just sounded like Michelletti, didn't I?
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