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Even Gretzky or Lemeiux couldnt help the Islanders; Comrie undresses the ugly truth
Topic Started: Dec 17 2008, 08:36 AM (2,132 Views)
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thats like saying sterling is coming back

I think gordon will be back for one more season- he was hired for a reason to get thru this "rebuiding" and like somewhere he said- he's only been here a short while-- alot of players are new- and its going to take time-nobody should expect him to come in and be a miracle worker-
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Shooter,Dec 17 2008
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Moosie,Dec 17 2008
09:47 AM
The Islanders have played 31 games.  That's around 600 man games.  Our regulars have missed close to 200 man games due to injury.  That's means a third of the lineup has been filled by substitutes.  That includes our franchise goalie.  Compare that to what Tampa did the year they won the Cup.  They only lost 34 stinking man games to injury all year.  That's as far as you have to look to explain having only 10 wins in 31 games.

They could have all their players healthy. This team is in no way, shape or form close to that Tampa team. They had players in their prime producing. There are no stars on this team.

no stars, no core. that's why it was hard to swallow the last 30 games. it's going to be a tough season with these dead weights on our team.

Comrie....you're nothing but daddy's little rich kid. no freakin real talent.
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This is not about wins and losses. Losing doesnt bother me if there are signs of improvement, week to week, month to month. I know we have injuries, but we dont have such great talent that injuries would hamper us that much, not in an all for one system(again go back to Comrie's comments 'as a group'). We had a decimated blue line to start the season, yet did ok. Now that much of them are healthy we should see improvement in the GA/Shots against, right? Yet we are steadily declining in our zone, not getting better. Should Andy Sutton and Freddy Meyer be our best D-men? Well they are, today, right now.


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Honestly isn't it best if this team finishes in the bottom 2? The worst case situation for the Isles is what has been going on the last few years. The team sucking, but not sucking enough to get the top talent.
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We go through coaches like Avery goes through girlfriends.

I think we should keep Gordon and give him a year with players he wants. And I also think he needs to tweak his "system" a bit. Our break out is non-existent and our set up in the offensive zone is a wreck.

I suggest he get the veterans in a room and have a heart to heart with them. Ask them what they think works, what needs to change or improve. I'm sure they would have input like- "When we get control in the d zone why don't we try a weak side break out and spring the strong side forward, yad yad yada..." Instant buy in, a voice from what they see on the ice instead of constantly trying to wedge the "system" into their game.

And game situations determine strategy. It seems to me like no matter who the opponent is or what they are doing the strategy remains the same.

Last night, for instance, when they miked Gordon on the bench. He was told that it is a good idea to keep the Caps on the wall to slow down their speed. His answer- "we need to keep the forecheck up and get speed through..."

Sorry, but that is NOT the answer. Let's not forget, the other team watcches film as well.

Overall not a bad effort but the result was still the same.
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for weeks on end all they have done is chase, dump, make lazy weak passes, and crumble in the defensive zone. There hasn't been any kind of sustained "system" play to speak of as far as I can tell..it's just been an erratic, unorganized mess. The aggressive forecheck has all but dissappeared...and we are simply embarassing defending our own zone. With all that said, I dunno if you can make Gordon the fall guy, and firing him would be just another embarassing and foolish move into further instability. He is after all a first year coach...and he and his "system" will suffer growing pains...just like so many of his young players.
And it wouldn't surprise me at all if Minus Mike has a problem with the "system"...he is a prototypical floater, a likely Nolan loyalist who I am sure shutters at the very thought of keeping his legs moving for a full shift. Don't forget he signed BEFORE they decided to implement the "plan". I'm sure he wants NO part of this "learning" team...
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Webb20,Dec 17 2008
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I'm still all for rebuilding. I dont know if the guy at the helm is steering us correctly.

you hit the nail on the head webby!
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puckhead,Dec 17 2008
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klynch,Dec 17 2008
09:21 AM
WOW that gordon bandwagon just crashed into a tree huh.   What happened to all of the fans who said i don't care if we lose lets actually commit to a real rebuild?  Where have all of them gone?

I'm still all for rebuilding. I dont know if the guy at the helm is steering us correctly.

Funny how we said the same thing about Nolan, Stirling Lavy and everyone else who has stood behind the bench.

All of them couldn't have sucked that bad.

I assumed Webby meant Snow, Gordon is just a pawn :lol:

Nolan brought us to the playoffs at least, stirling was a horrible coach. i had no problem with Lavi
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Comrie, who hadn't appeared comfortable with Gordon's offense even before missing the last 16 games with flare-ups of pain from his surgically repaired hip, didn't want to guarantee any miracles. He noted that even a Wayne Gretzky or Mario Lemieux wouldn't override the fact that "you win as a group. In this system, you've just got to throw pucks at the net and be in the right spot. It's scrambles, not a whole lot of pretty plays. Now that the pain is gone, the biggest thing to me is try to get my timing back."


Here is the FULL quote and I feel like it's been completely taken out of context. First of all, the mystery reporter that is neither the Isles beat writer or maybe not even a hockey writer was SPEAKING FOR COMRIE. Show me a Comrie quote where he says he's not happy with the system. He was just saying that you win as a group and not to expect a miracle from Comrie's return.

This is really laughable. Comrie was making a comment that even if we had Gretzky, we'd still have to win as a TEAM. How is that misconstrued?

WOW, I honestly can't believe you stirred things up like this Webb. People have to read more carefully and not jump the gun on bad journalism. Again, all I can say is WOW.

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If you don't believe me read the full article for yourselves:
http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/islan...,0,571565.story
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In this system, you've just got to throw pucks at the net and be in the right spot.


Here is the FULL quote and I feel like it's been completely taken out of context.

...even better clarification. Clearly he doesn't grasp the system...which is about an aggressive forecheck that creates turnovers which create offensive chances...preferrably smart ones. I don't think the words "just got to throw pucks at the net" are in the system brochure. That was the Nolan creedo...
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I'm sure Nick can defend himself, but I'll add my two cents anyway:

What about the "miracle" comment by Comrie? Was that taken out of context, too?

I am personally growing tired of this prima donna. Win as a team? How about he tries to do something more than the equivalent of figure skating when he is on the ice?

And how about he shuts his mouth off of it?

How about he says the right thing that CANNOT be misconstrued? Like, Uhhh, I buy in to what we're doing. I can't wait to get back and contribute. Losing is BOTHERING me. I'm an Islander.

No, all we get is some garbled crap form him. Again.

My opinion only, but I have had enough of his lack of production on the ice and his diva attitude off of it. I know that may not be the popular opinion, but that is what it is.

My take on him? He is doing everything he can to get shipped out on the next boat leaving Long Island. He wants to be a piece on a team where his productivity is not brought into question. One where he can ride the coat tails of a winning franchise.

He is unwilling to pay the price and feels that playing on a team that is in transition and struggling is BELOW him. Screw him- grant his wish and send his sorry ass to Columbus. Not Detroit. That'll teach him
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In this system, you've just got to throw pucks at the net and be in the right spot.


Here is the FULL quote and I feel like it's been completely taken out of context.

...even better clarification. Clearly he doesn't grasp the system...which is about an aggressive forecheck that creates turnovers which create offensive chances...preferrably smart ones. I don't think the words "just got to throw pucks at the net" are in the system brochure. That was the Nolan creedo...

Exactly. Plus, Comrie is has been playing hurt all season long. Even if he does feel like Gordon's system doesnt work, who is HE to say? He hasn't even been able to play the game of hockey in general, let alone a system of any kind.
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rifleman22,Dec 17 2008
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I'm sure Nick can defend himself, but I'll add my two cents anyway:

What about the "miracle" comment by Comrie? Was that taken out of context, too?

I am personally growing tired of this prima donna. Win as a team? How about he tries to do something more than the equivalent of figure skating when he is on the ice?

And how about he shuts his mouth off of it?

How about he says the right thing that CANNOT be misconstrued? Like, Uhhh, I buy in to what we're doing. I can't wait to get back and contribute. Losing is BOTHERING me. I'm an Islander.

No, all we get is some garbled crap form him. Again.

My opinion only, but I have had enough of his lack of production on the ice and his diva attitude off of it. I know that may not be the popular opinion, but that is what it is.

My take on him? He is doing everything he can to get shipped out on the next boat leaving Long Island. He wants to be a piece on a team where his productivity is not brought into question. One where he can ride the coat tails of a winning franchise.

He is unwilling to pay the price and feels that playing on a team that is in transition and struggling is BELOW him. Screw him- grant his wish and send his sorry ass to Columbus. Not Detroit. That'll teach him

Agreed on most points. I think it may be time for Comrie to hit the old dusty trail. In all honesty, wish we had Ryan Smyth over him AND Guerin.

PS - That wasn't a personal attack on Webby, it's an honest mistake. But people are really buying into this as if it was actually said like that. Read carefully folks before you come on a forum to muckrake.
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Never said it was a personal attack, but you do say that people should"read more carefully" and not "jump the gun".

And my point remains the same- if Comrie has nothing positive to say he should shut up or ship out. Actually, he should do both.
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Dr. Generosity,Dec 17 2008
09:02 AM
A few comments here.

First, I think Logan in Newsday put it perfectly the other day---this is the demolition part of the Islanders' rebuild project. You cannot get back to the top without taking a step back. The Caps team that beat us last night certainly did that for 4 seasons, and they're doing quite well now, aren't they? Focusing on wins and losses this year should not be our primary focus.

Second, with respect to what system we're playing, which is your broader concern, I've never been a big fan of "systems" in general, but Gordon's work ethic and attention to detail make me believe that he'll adjust his system to respond to challenges. My preference is for a team whose system naturally matches its core players' talents, but we have next to no core, so the current plan is better than none. If we wind up drafting offensive dynamos or defensive shutdown experts in the next 3 seasons, I would expect that we'll adjust the system to suit their skills.

Third, I think anyone would concede that Gordon does not have a terrific cast of players to implement his system. In fact, we have a fairly poor to middling group of players for just about any system. This is one of the least talented squads we've fielded in my 30 years or so as a fan. Given all the injuries we've sustained to key personnel, I still give the coaching staff high marks for our overall performance to date.

Fourth, and most emphatically, if Snow fires Gordon during the season, I hope he'll follow him right out the door and turn off the f'ing lights, because from this fan's perspective, Gordon's doing exactly what Snow hired him to do---install a new system, put the emphasis on playing the kids whenever practicable, and work constructively with, not against, players and management. We need stability on Long Island, not more upheaval.

I just don't see what our new coach has done to merit getting canned less than three months into his tenure. Jeez, are we quick with the hook here or what?

No kidding. Its a good thing there was no internet in 73-74 or we wouldn't know who Al Arbour is.

This is what kills me. Like you said, the first year of a "rebuild" is a desconstruct. You have to throw out the trash. When GArth took over, it took a year to throw out MM's trash that he left him...
Yashin, Robert N., Nolkie and others.

Now by many "expert media" accounts Snow has done a good job of restocking the prospect shelf with last year's draft and will hopefully make the cupboard overflow after this draft.

Now, our coach has to do the same with with Snow. What guys can be here for the long haul and which guys can't. When you start a "rebuild", that is what the first year is all about. Jimmy Johnson went 1-15 with the Cowboys in year one and they looked like an NCAA II team because they didn't have the talent. But 3 years later they won the Superbowl. Now, I'm not saying that either Snow or Flash are JJ-like in talent evaluating or coaching, but you won't know after only 3 months as a head coach.

This year is about throwing out the talent-less and bringing in more talent. Year one of a rebuild is always about EVALUATION. That is what Gordon has to do...evaluate what he has and evaluate if his system can work at the nhl level.

I'm not sold that it can't. Besides, why would I take the word of Mike Comrie who's done nothing in his 1.5 years here and is making it so he'll be lucky to make a million next year when he walks from LI?
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Comrie, who hadn't appeared comfortable with Gordon's offense even before missing the last 16 games with flare-ups of pain from his surgically repaired hip, didn't want to guarantee any miracles. He noted that even a Wayne Gretzky or Mario Lemieux wouldn't override the fact that "you win as a group. In this system, you've just got to throw pucks at the net and be in the right spot. It's scrambles, not a whole lot of pretty plays. Now that the pain is gone, the biggest thing to me is try to get my timing back."


Here is the FULL quote and I feel like it's been completely taken out of context. First of all, the mystery reporter that is neither the Isles beat writer or maybe not even a hockey writer was SPEAKING FOR COMRIE. Show me a Comrie quote where he says he's not happy with the system. He was just saying that you win as a group and not to expect a miracle from Comrie's return.

This is really laughable. Comrie was making a comment that even if we had Gretzky, we'd still have to win as a TEAM. How is that misconstrued?

WOW, I honestly can't believe you stirred things up like this Webb. People have to read more carefully and not jump the gun on bad journalism. Again, all I can say is WOW.

Where's I4C when you need him?

If you don't believe me read the full article for yourselves:
http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/islan...,0,571565.story

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klynch,Dec 17 2008
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Honestly isn't it best if this team finishes in the bottom 2?  The worst case situation for the Isles is what has been going on the last few years.  The team sucking, but not sucking enough to get the top talent.

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I would much rather drown this season than struggle to stay afloat in medicority.

Middle of the pack gets us nothing but a stressful March, a disappointing first round stompout and a nameless, faceless pick that will struggle to reach even anonymity.

It must be done if we ever want to see a brigher future:

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Comrie, who hadn't appeared comfortable with Gordon's offense even before missing the last 16 games with flare-ups of pain from his surgically repaired hip, didn't want to guarantee any miracles. He noted that even a Wayne Gretzky or Mario Lemieux wouldn't override the fact that "you win as a group. In this system, you've just got to throw pucks at the net and be in the right spot. It's scrambles, not a whole lot of pretty plays. Now that the pain is gone, the biggest thing to me is try to get my timing back."


Here is the FULL quote and I feel like it's been completely taken out of context. First of all, the mystery reporter that is neither the Isles beat writer or maybe not even a hockey writer was SPEAKING FOR COMRIE. Show me a Comrie quote where he says he's not happy with the system. He was just saying that you win as a group and not to expect a miracle from Comrie's return.

This is really laughable. Comrie was making a comment that even if we had Gretzky, we'd still have to win as a TEAM. How is that misconstrued?

WOW, I honestly can't believe you stirred things up like this Webb. People have to read more carefully and not jump the gun on bad journalism. Again, all I can say is WOW.

Where's I4C when you need him?

If you don't believe me read the full article for yourselves:
http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/islan...,0,571565.story

I went over these comments with 4 other people who know hockey as well as I do and all 4 of them came to the same conclusion as I did. The remarks show the club's approach as amateurish and subpar for an NHL club in mike comrie's OPINION.

I didnt misread anything nor did I intend to mislead. This is my editorial (as this whole board is opinons of all) and it's my take on it. Believe what you want and I'll believe what I want, but keep in mind my track record when it comes to this team. ;)

And I believe those quotation marks in the article imply an actual Mike Comrie quote. Also adding "Now that the pain is gone, the biggest thing to me is try to get my timing back." I dont see how it changes any of the meaning of the paragraph.
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Comrie, who hadn't appeared comfortable with Gordon's offense even before missing the last 16 games with flare-ups of pain from his surgically repaired hip, didn't want to guarantee any miracles. He noted that even a Wayne Gretzky or Mario Lemieux wouldn't override the fact that "you win as a group. In this system, you've just got to throw pucks at the net and be in the right spot. It's scrambles, not a whole lot of pretty plays. Now that the pain is gone, the biggest thing to me is try to get my timing back."


Here is the FULL quote and I feel like it's been completely taken out of context. First of all, the mystery reporter that is neither the Isles beat writer or maybe not even a hockey writer was SPEAKING FOR COMRIE. Show me a Comrie quote where he says he's not happy with the system. He was just saying that you win as a group and not to expect a miracle from Comrie's return.

This is really laughable. Comrie was making a comment that even if we had Gretzky, we'd still have to win as a TEAM. How is that misconstrued?

WOW, I honestly can't believe you stirred things up like this Webb. People have to read more carefully and not jump the gun on bad journalism. Again, all I can say is WOW.

Where's I4C when you need him?

If you don't believe me read the full article for yourselves:
http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/islan...,0,571565.story

I went over these comments with 4 other people who know hockey as well as I do and all 4 of them came to the same conclusion as I did. The remarks show the club's approach as amateurish and subpar for an NHL club in mike comrie's OPINION.

I didnt misread anything nor did I intend to mislead. This is my editorial (as this whole board is opinons of all) and it's my take on it. Believe what you want and I'll believe what I want, but keep in mind my track record when it comes to this team. ;)

And I believe those quotation marks in the article imply an actual Mike Comrie quote. Also adding "Now that the pain is gone, the biggest thing to me is try to get my timing back." I dont see how it changes any of the meaning of the paragraph.

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Webby.... I happen to think it is part of Comrie's attempt to be moved. I don't think he wants to be here, took another one year deal because he wanted to get paid and knew it was no sure thing he'd return 100% from the hip injury, and let's remember something about Comrie, he's been considered a bit of a malcontent wherever he's been...Philadelphia, Edmonton, Pheonix. The only squad he didn't have "issues" with was Ottawa who went to the finals and he was only there for less than half a season.

jmho, but Comrie couldn't make these comments in Pheonix because he'd be bashing Canada's patron saint Wayne Gretz. He got himself run from Philly and Edmonton for running his mouth about contract, pt, organizational philosophy there too.

While I never doubt your track record, Comrie doesn't exactly have a great one.
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