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Even Gretzky or Lemeiux couldnt help the Islanders; Comrie undresses the ugly truth
Topic Started: Dec 17 2008, 08:36 AM (2,130 Views)
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MNIslander13,Dec 17 2008
12:41 PM
I am trying to make it regular thing to go an see the team when they come here (MN), but I've decided not to this year. Economy, and the holiday season has a little to do with it. But this team is the biggest reason I'm not. Believe me, I'd go broke 'till the next pay check to see this team, but why put myself through that this year (which is what I asked myself).



Happy Holidays to all of you. May :santa: be better to you then Garth and Chuck have.

:santa: is the man.

Freebies came in for Friday's game here.

Just hope the effort is there. And I really hope I run into Garth.



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stevedepot,Dec 18 2008
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Garth Snow, you tried my patience and lost. There's your stupid patience.
I wish I could use a SAP feature on Garth Snow everytime he makes a comment so i can hear it in Mandarin because it would make just as much sense.


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Talking about the system or the coach to me is comical.

EVEN if those are true (they may be in time), COME ON. Sometimes the obvious answer is the right one. The lack of talent is down-right scary. Back-up goalie every night. More injuries than most. Tough division. "Top" player, out almost the whole season. "Top" minor league player, no goals. "Top" rookie who every one loves no goals.

Any one talking about the coach or the system has some sack. Especially Comrie. What is next, Tambellini saying it doesn't put him in good spots?

Hunter finds a way, Park finds a way.

Saying he may not last the end of the season is crazy. What did Garth and Wang think of this team? What was THIS team's expectations. It was to be one of the league's worst team. Than we got a ton of injuries, our best player (Rick) gone and a few other things. Of course we are in the midst of a terrible losing streak, so the whole game to game or week to week thing is tough. From the first seven games till the next seven, it was night and day.

HILBERT is top five in Goals. JON SIM who got waived is a top five forward in goal scoring. This is a misreable team, that has gotten even less breaks. Bringing up the rookie coach or the system is going down an un-real path.
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Tinman31,Dec 18 2008
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Talking about the system or the coach to me is comical.

EVEN if those are true (they may be in time), COME ON. Sometimes the obvious answer is the right one. The lack of talent is down-right scary. Back-up goalie every night. More injuries than most. Tough division. "Top" player, out almost the whole season. "Top" minor league player, no goals. "Top" rookie who every one loves no goals.

Any one talking about the coach or the system has some sack. Especially Comrie. What is next, Tambellini saying it doesn't put him in good spots?

Hunter finds a way, Park finds a way.

Saying he may not last the end of the season is crazy. What did Garth and Wang think of this team? What was THIS team's expectations. It was to be one of the league's worst team. Than we got a ton of injuries, our best player (Rick) gone and a few other things. Of course we are in the midst of a terrible losing streak, so the whole game to game or week to week thing is tough. From the first seven games till the next seven, it was night and day.

HILBERT is top five in Goals. JON SIM who got waived is a top five forward in goal scoring. This is a misreable team, that has gotten even less breaks. Bringing up the rookie coach or the system is going down an un-real path.

Plan has not had any kind of chance to work with a defense and starting goaltender that has not played one game together this season and was doing well enough before Okposo and Nielsen got hurt.

Islanders led the league in man games lost last season and never recovered from it this season with a whole new bunch of injuries to go with the ones they had. They are on pace to again lead the league in man games lost to injury.

No owner, gm or coach can win under those circumstances.

If you are tired of rebuilding after 30 games you might as well demand Milbury be rehired and get his plan back in.

I have no idea reading what Mike Comrie was actually quoted as saying vs what some twisted it into as a negative about anything regarding his current team unless some just look to complain?

We have no franchise stars? Why not wait until some of these players actually play here for a while completely healthy and at full strength for a few years.

Some of the best talent comes from many rounds of the draft.

If upper management does not think Gordon is the guy he will be gone and likely the guy who hired him. But for now it has not had a real chance to work.
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Fine you think the direct quote from Newsday was taken out of text? How about todays newsday. We have a rookie coach who gets the green light to put in his leading scorer from last year during a 9 game losing streak and he's not sure if there is room because he has Bridgeport callups in the spot? That it's easier to insert a rookie above a vet who led this team.

Now I dont want to see Comrie back in the lineup as much as the next guy, so dont take this as campaigning for him but what the coach says here again speaks volume about Mike Comrie and Scott Gordon.

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Not so fast. As coach Scott Gordon explained yesterday, the Islanders currently have 29 players on NHL contracts because they have so many players on the injured list and have been required to call up several players from Bridgeport.

Some came up as emergency call-ups and some as regular call-ups. Two veterans on one-way contracts have cleared waivers and could be sent down. Finally, Jeff Tambellini's conditioning stint ends Saturday, when he will count against the maximum 23-man NHL roster.

"Right now, there's a lot of things that have to be juggled, just a lot to toss around," Gordon said yesterday. "So, I don't know that it's really an option for Mike to come back in the lineup. Somebody that's here on an emergency would have to go back down. (webb20: editorial: OH MY!!! how horendous to have to send someone who's on emergency call up back down) Unless we're shuffling the deck with a winger going down, we'd have to make room for him at center."

The latest to come up on emergency call-up was center Ben Walter, who played 11:21 in Tuesday's 5-4 overtime loss to Washington and earned some late power-play time. Walter had a couple solid opportunities to score and generally was in the right place when he had to be.

"He played a solid game, especially for a guy who missed a large portion at the beginning of the season," Gordon said, referring to Walter's knee sprain in training camp. "He fit in well. After we scored the tying goal, because of the way he played, I put him out there with about two minutes left in the game."



This is the teams leading scorer from last year, albeit not great with 49 points, but come on, he's ready, you've lost 11 of 12 and you don't know if you can fit him in with the likes of Ben Walter in the lineup?

I believe that Mike Comrie spoke his mind, and the truth hurts, and Gordon is responding.

Again, I dont want to see Comrie, and would rather have Ben Walter, but I'm pointing out the fact that all is not well in Gordonville.

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Webb20.

You started this topic, put a misleading title to it that read even Gretzky or Lemeiux couldnt help the Islanders, Comrie undresses the ugly truth.

That's not what the man said.

What he did say is you win as a group regardless of whether you have Gretzky or Lemieux and in this system you have to throw pucks at the net and be in the right spot, it's scrambles not pretty plays.

John Jeansonne who has written about three articles all season covered practice that day and fluffed off Comrie playing with a hip injury that was supposed to keep him out until January and put in the part of Comrie struggling in the system.

Scott Gordon faced the camera's on ITV and talked about Comrie and all the injuries a few days ago at length.

http://islanders.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?catid=-5&id=28253

Who gave Comrie the green light for anything besides Comrie? ITV had him in a non-contact jersey at practice yesterday.

These interviews usually run about seven-ten minutes, that one part could have had a lot of other quotes that did not make the paper. All we do know from that is
there's a lot of things that have to be juggled, just a lot to toss around.

Earlier this year Comrie started on wing.

If Gordon does not want Comrie back he will not be here much longer when he's ready but the record scrams out that it's time to go with more prospects. Tambellini has to come back or clear waivers.

You think Gordon put Comeau on the right side to mess him up too after doing well at his left wing spot or he is intentionally keeping him and Bergenheim off the powerplay to not play the young players?

Let's just see what happens.

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stevedepot,Dec 18 2008
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Garth Snow, you tried my patience and lost. There's your stupid patience.
I wish I could use a SAP feature on Garth Snow everytime he makes a comment so i can hear it in Mandarin because it would make just as much sense.


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YEAH WEBB20

STOP PISSING ON MY LEG AND TELLING ME ITS RAINING :yea:

STOP RUINING THE REBUILD :angrier:

HOW DARE YOU WANT TO SEE IMPROVEMENT ANY KIND ANYWHERE :fear:

ITS THE PLAN :blah: :blah: :blah:

ITS OK IF WE GO 0- FOR DECEMBER :letssee:

AT LEAST WE'RE POINTING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION :rolleyes:

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ITS NOT THE TEAM OR MANAGEMENT ITS THE BUILDING REMEMBER :puke:
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I think Webby interpreted the original article correctly even if the reporter was doing a bit of paraphrasing.

No question that Comrie's days on the Island are numbered. I will sure miss watching him furiously back check. [/sarcasm] Mike Comrie has Robert Reichel's vision coupled with Grigori Pantaleev's size and Craig Janney's defensive zone awareness.

Let's hope Comrie pulls his game together long enough for us to get some real value for him. Sure, Gretz or Lemieux alone wouldn't be able to lift the Isles. Both the Oil and the Pens had to build teams around these guys to realize their real potential. But for all those who think we'd be better off winning more games, and finishing 14th overall, instead of going 0-for-December, I'm still waiting to hear what other "plan" we could follow to rebuild the franchise to a Cup contender.
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02:42 PM
I refused to drink the Kool aid from Chris Dey and Garth Snow in the off-season and I refuse it now.

And please, no more smart-alec responses like...
"well, the system needs time" or "you have to be patient with the rebuild blablablabla.

No s sherlocks. That's besides the point.

If Burke or Lamourillo was doing this I'd feel alot more comfortable.
Problem is, it's Garth Snow. The goalie to GM who "impressed" Charles Wang.
And don't tell me to be "patient" with him. We know all the good and bad moves he's made and we've debated them to high hell. No one is going to teach us anything we haven't discussed.

Here's the point. Bobby Clarke, a Hall of Famer, went from player to GM.
Only difference is he had a decent team but outstanding goaltending in the 80's.
I think they even made the finals a couple of times during his tenure.
The fans STILL despised him for his stupid maneuvers and dealings.
He admitted that he learned on the job and after being let go and later coming back...
he was a much better GM.

Garth Snow is a a grain of sand compared to the rock that is Bobby Clarke, yet we are to TRUST him and be patient because he has Charles Wang's confidence?
So did Milbury.

Everytime this team has made us smile and buy into "project hope" (the islanders version)
they've also let us down.

Now this system is something we need to have patience in. I've heard this crap before. They treated Nolan like crap and Nolan turned out to be a malcontent but yet another casualty in the periodic spin-the-wheel-of-islanders-direction-destiny.

They jerk Bailey around by keeping him here and not sending him to juniors because they are not patient as they want us fans to be...heck it's all marketing, get it through your thick skulls. Garth just wants to prove that he was right and each game that goes by without a Bailey goal must be killing him.

Patience people, patience.

Now Comrie drops a few hints. I don't want him on our team but cannot blame the guy one bit. This is a good system but this coach has shown NOTHING in terms of adapting to other teams adjustments to his system outside of changing lines.

Garth Snow, you tried my patience and lost. There's your stupid patience.
I wish I could use a SAP feature on Garth Snow everytime he makes a comment so i can hear it in Mandarin because it would make just as much sense.

And for the record, yes I'm a die hard islander fan, have been for going on 36 years now
and I still root for this team, but I'm tired of being their flavor of the season Kool aid tester under this management/direction.

Why Burke? No offense, but he built :bfart: in Vancouver and he built :bfart: in Anaheim. How many of the Ducks did he actually draft? He added a few key players in trades or FA, but the bulk of that team was built via the draft before Burke arrived.

Other than being a complete _rick (to steal a word from Tiger's caddy), Lou L. knows how to build for his system.

As for Comrie, name a team besides Ottawa he didn't do this sort of nonsense in and get run from?

I'm not saying you don't have a right to feel the way you do or that your points aren't valid...

I'm just saying "stay patient" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :P ;)
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nyifancentral,Dec 18 2008
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Webb20.

You started this topic, put a misleading title to it that read even Gretzky or Lemeiux couldnt help the Islanders, Comrie undresses the ugly truth.

That's not what the man said.

What he did say is you win as a group regardless of whether you have Gretzky or Lemieux and in this system you have to throw pucks at the net and be in the right spot, it's scrambles not pretty plays.

John Jeansonne who has written about three articles all season covered practice that day and fluffed off Comrie playing with a hip injury that was supposed to keep him out until January and put in the part of Comrie struggling in the system.

Scott Gordon faced the camera's on ITV and talked about Comrie and all the injuries a few days ago at length.

http://islanders.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?catid=-5&id=28253

Who gave Comrie the green light for anything besides Comrie? ITV had him in a non-contact jersey at practice yesterday.

These interviews usually run about seven-ten minutes, that one part could have had a lot of other quotes that did not make the paper. All we do know from that is
there's a lot of things that have to be juggled, just a lot to toss around.

Earlier this year Comrie started on wing.

If Gordon does not want Comrie back he will not be here much longer when he's ready but the record scrams out that it's time to go with more prospects. Tambellini has to come back or clear waivers.

You think Gordon put Comeau on the right side to mess him up too after doing well at his left wing spot or he is intentionally keeping him and Bergenheim off the powerplay to not play the young players?

Let's just see what happens.

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Islander4cups,Dec 18 2008
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stevedepot,Dec 17 2008
02:42 PM
I refused to drink the Kool aid from Chris Dey and Garth Snow in the off-season and I refuse it now.

And please, no more smart-alec responses like...
"well, the system needs time" or "you have to be patient with the rebuild blablablabla.

No s sherlocks. That's besides the point.

If Burke or Lamourillo was doing this I'd feel alot more comfortable.
Problem is, it's Garth Snow. The goalie to GM who "impressed" Charles Wang.
And don't tell me to be "patient" with him. We know all the good and bad moves he's made and we've debated them to high hell. No one is going to teach us anything we haven't discussed.

Here's the point. Bobby Clarke, a Hall of Famer, went from player to GM.
Only difference is he had a decent team but outstanding goaltending in the 80's.
I think they even made the finals a couple of times during his tenure.
The fans STILL despised him for his stupid maneuvers and dealings.
He admitted that he learned on the job and after being let go and later coming back...
he was a much better GM.

Garth Snow is a a grain of sand compared to the rock that is Bobby Clarke, yet we are to TRUST him and be patient because he has Charles Wang's confidence?
So did Milbury.

Everytime this team has made us smile and buy into "project hope" (the islanders version)
they've also let us down.

Now this system is something we need to have patience in. I've heard this crap before. They treated Nolan like crap and Nolan turned out to be a malcontent but yet another casualty in the periodic spin-the-wheel-of-islanders-direction-destiny.

They jerk Bailey around by keeping him here and not sending him to juniors because they are not patient as they want us fans to be...heck it's all marketing, get it through your thick skulls. Garth just wants to prove that he was right and each game that goes by without a Bailey goal must be killing him.

Patience people, patience.

Now Comrie drops a few hints. I don't want him on our team but cannot blame the guy one bit. This is a good system but this coach has shown NOTHING in terms of adapting to other teams adjustments to his system outside of changing lines.

Garth Snow, you tried my patience and lost. There's your stupid patience.
I wish I could use a SAP feature on Garth Snow everytime he makes a comment so i can hear it in Mandarin because it would make just as much sense.

And for the record, yes I'm a die hard islander fan, have been for going on 36 years now
and I still root for this team, but I'm tired of being their flavor of the season Kool aid tester under this management/direction.

Why Burke? No offense, but he built :bfart: in Vancouver and he built :bfart: in Anaheim. How many of the Ducks did he actually draft? He added a few key players in trades or FA, but the bulk of that team was built via the draft before Burke arrived.

Other than being a complete _rick (to steal a word from Tiger's caddy), Lou L. knows how to build for his system.

As for Comrie, name a team besides Ottawa he didn't do this sort of nonsense in and get run from?

I'm not saying you don't have a right to feel the way you do or that your points aren't valid...

I'm just saying "stay patient" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :P ;)

You must be talking about a different Brian Burke than the one in Vancouver.
When he took over there, that team was a mess.

The negotiations, trades, signings in Anaheim speak for themselves.

Point is, Burke and Lamourillo are respected NHL caliber GM's who've both had experience in not only making deals to draft certain players, but also build teams to compete in their respective conferences.

Garth Snow is not.

Short, simple, to the point.

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I wonder what Burke and Lamourillo looked like at the BEGINNING of their GM careers. Probably just as amazing as they do now, right? No way in hell they had their bumps, and bruises, and people calling for their firing.
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stevedepot,Dec 17 2008
02:42 PM
I refused to drink the Kool aid from Chris Dey and Garth Snow in the off-season and I refuse it now.

And please, no more smart-alec responses like...
"well, the system needs time" or "you have to be patient with the rebuild blablablabla.

No s sherlocks. That's besides the point.

If Burke or Lamourillo was doing this I'd feel alot more comfortable.
Problem is, it's Garth Snow. The goalie to GM who "impressed" Charles Wang.
And don't tell me to be "patient" with him. We know all the good and bad moves he's made and we've debated them to high hell. No one is going to teach us anything we haven't discussed.

Here's the point. Bobby Clarke, a Hall of Famer, went from player to GM.
Only difference is he had a decent team but outstanding goaltending in the 80's.
I think they even made the finals a couple of times during his tenure.
The fans STILL despised him for his stupid maneuvers and dealings.
He admitted that he learned on the job and after being let go and later coming back...
he was a much better GM.

Garth Snow is a a grain of sand compared to the rock that is Bobby Clarke, yet we are to TRUST him and be patient because he has Charles Wang's confidence?
So did Milbury.

Everytime this team has made us smile and buy into "project hope" (the islanders version)
they've also let us down.

Now this system is something we need to have patience in. I've heard this crap before. They treated Nolan like crap and Nolan turned out to be a malcontent but yet another casualty in the periodic spin-the-wheel-of-islanders-direction-destiny.

They jerk Bailey around by keeping him here and not sending him to juniors because they are not patient as they want us fans to be...heck it's all marketing, get it through your thick skulls. Garth just wants to prove that he was right and each game that goes by without a Bailey goal must be killing him.

Patience people, patience.

Now Comrie drops a few hints. I don't want him on our team but cannot blame the guy one bit. This is a good system but this coach has shown NOTHING in terms of adapting to other teams adjustments to his system outside of changing lines.

Garth Snow, you tried my patience and lost. There's your stupid patience.
I wish I could use a SAP feature on Garth Snow everytime he makes a comment so i can hear it in Mandarin because it would make just as much sense.

And for the record, yes I'm a die hard islander fan, have been for going on 36 years now
and I still root for this team, but I'm tired of being their flavor of the season Kool aid tester under this management/direction.

Why Burke? No offense, but he built :bfart: in Vancouver and he built :bfart: in Anaheim. How many of the Ducks did he actually draft? He added a few key players in trades or FA, but the bulk of that team was built via the draft before Burke arrived.

Other than being a complete _rick (to steal a word from Tiger's caddy), Lou L. knows how to build for his system.

As for Comrie, name a team besides Ottawa he didn't do this sort of nonsense in and get run from?

I'm not saying you don't have a right to feel the way you do or that your points aren't valid...

I'm just saying "stay patient" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :P ;)

You must be talking about a different Brian Burke than the one in Vancouver.
When he took over there, that team was a mess.

The negotiations, trades, signings in Anaheim speak for themselves.

Point is, Burke and Lamourillo are respected NHL caliber GM's who've both had experience in not only making deals to draft certain players, but also build teams to compete in their respective conferences.

Garth Snow is not.

Short, simple, to the point.

:yes:

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GM of Hartford for one season...
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In 1992, he left that job to become general manager of the Hartford Whalers. He was fired after one year in Hartford



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In 1998, he became General Manager of the Vancouver Canucks. With the Canucks, he was credited with reviving the ailing franchise and increasing attendance, with the signing of several key players such as the Sedin twins, as the team won a playoff series and captured a division title. As Canucks GM, Burke played a key role in the end of Peter Zezel's career. The controversy began at the trade deadline late in the 199899 season. Zezel's niece Jilliann was terminally ill with cancer in Toronto, and Zezel requested a trade from the Canucks (who were far out of the playoff race) to an Eastern Conference team so he could be closer to his family. Instead, Burke dealt him to the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim, the furthest stop from Toronto in the league. Zezel promptly retired and returned home, and Canuck management were heavily criticised by a sympathetic media and public for the callous way he was treated. Following the 2003-04 NHL season, Canucks ownership chose not to renew Burke's contract for the general manager position.


GM of Ducks...
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Burke won the Stanley Cup with the Anaheim Ducks as the GM in the 2006-2007 season. It was his second year as an executive with the club.

How much could he have done in 2 years? He brought in Pronger and Neidermayer...the Pronger trade was a gift and Neidermayer wanted to play with his brother. Who were all these great draft picks Burke made?

I think Burke is overrated and until he builds a team from scratch (as he will need to do in Toronto) and take them someplace, I'm not overly impressed with him.
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Damn! I get here a few minutes too late and everyone has already pointed out the strong counterarguments. Hoo, yes, Burke toiled fruitlessly in Hartford and we used to beat the holy beejeezus out of Lamiorello's Devils for many, many seasons. Neither of them were anointed as geniuses, they earned reputations as sagacious hockey administrators slowly and painfully.

As for the "experienced" wizards of the NHL's front offices who presumably would do better than Snow, Bobby Clarke failed to win a Cup in 22 years as a general manager (almost 20 years with the Flyers). Sort of like Bill Torrey, except no Cups.

I share some fans' skepticism regarding Snow. But I still don't see what he should be doing differently at this point. We need a franchise player or two and we're on track to get one. That's short, simple, and to the point as well. :cheers:
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This one's for you Webb. Another criticism on the system. This time from Witt.
Per Newsday -

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"I don't think we play well defensively five-on-five, and it shows," Witt said. "We're leading the league with goals against . It almost looked like [the Capitals] were on a power play [with 40 shots]."

Witt said plus-minus rating doesn't always indicate how well or poorly a player performed. Looking back on the Washington game, Witt said there wasn't anything he could have done to prevent any of the Caps' five goals, and he wouldn't change anything he did.

Gordon's system is based on an aggressive forecheck that encourages the defense to pinch in an effort to keep the puck in the offensive zone. But sometimes, as happened Saturday in Columbus, the opposing team gains control of the puck and throws it up the ice, sending their forwards off to the races while the Isles scramble to backcheck.

Personally, I think it's more of a risky type of game," Witt said. "There's a lot of odd-man rushes. But that's the way he wants us to play, and until he decides he wants to change that, we're going to play that way."

Witt said he's trying to do whatever Gordon asks along with his fellow defensemen. "We're showing progress, but we haven't showed it very often for 60 minutes," Witt said. "Until he says something different, we have to play the way he wants us to play."


For a guy that's been brutal lately, he has an aweful lot to say.

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Asked for his reaction to Witt's comments, Gordon said, "Brendan is correct that our defensive zone coverage has struggled, which is why we spent the last two days addressing it [in practice]."


Gordon may have to have another forward come back to help. The guys in the NHL are much more speedy and will make you pay in the D-Zone. I think Gordon's system has a chance to work, once we add some more scoring talent. The Oilers played a similar style last year where they made people pay with the transition game.

In my opinion: If Witt had an issue with the way things are going he should have gone to talk to either Gordon or Snow. This is NOT the way to handle it, and he's begging for a trade here. I think you saw Gordon's system in action in the 3rd period of the Washington game. Heavy forecheck by Weight and Park, and it worked. Like any other coach, he's going to need to adjust to the talent available right now. Witt failed to mention how hard it is to win when u have no finishers. Okposo and Comrie's return should help in that department.
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until he decides he wants to change that, we're going to play that way

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"Until he says something different, we have to play the way he wants us to play."

These are the most telling lines of all. He as other vets EXPECT a change because they know Gordon's system as is is flawed and doesnt work in the NHL where speed of opponents is much faster than that of the AHL and Witt doesnt think it's can be successful. He's quoted not once but twice in the same article about until there is a change.

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"Personally, I think it's more of a risky type of game,"

from a 14 year vet. That's 13 2/3 seasons more experience than our coach.



Logan is sensing the same as I am and share the same sentiment I've shown in this thread and that's why his articles this week have searched out two vets who wish to speak out about The System.

The System = :thumbsdown:
I sold it all, retired and moved to Fabulous Las Vegas!
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trade him...hes not that tough
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I refused to drink the Kool aid from Chris Dey and Garth Snow in the off-season and I refuse it now.

And please, no more smart-alec responses like...
"well, the system needs time" or "you have to be patient with the rebuild blablablabla.

No s sherlocks. That's besides the point.

If Burke or Lamourillo was doing this I'd feel alot more comfortable.
Problem is, it's Garth Snow. The goalie to GM who "impressed" Charles Wang.
And don't tell me to be "patient" with him. We know all the good and bad moves he's made and we've debated them to high hell. No one is going to teach us anything we haven't discussed.

Here's the point. Bobby Clarke, a Hall of Famer, went from player to GM.
Only difference is he had a decent team but outstanding goaltending in the 80's.
I think they even made the finals a couple of times during his tenure.
The fans STILL despised him for his stupid maneuvers and dealings.
He admitted that he learned on the job and after being let go and later coming back...
he was a much better GM.

Garth Snow is a a grain of sand compared to the rock that is Bobby Clarke, yet we are to TRUST him and be patient because he has Charles Wang's confidence?
So did Milbury.

Everytime this team has made us smile and buy into "project hope" (the islanders version)
they've also let us down.

Now this system is something we need to have patience in. I've heard this crap before. They treated Nolan like crap and Nolan turned out to be a malcontent but yet another casualty in the periodic spin-the-wheel-of-islanders-direction-destiny.

They jerk Bailey around by keeping him here and not sending him to juniors because they are not patient as they want us fans to be...heck it's all marketing, get it through your thick skulls. Garth just wants to prove that he was right and each game that goes by without a Bailey goal must be killing him.

Patience people, patience.

Now Comrie drops a few hints. I don't want him on our team but cannot blame the guy one bit. This is a good system but this coach has shown NOTHING in terms of adapting to other teams adjustments to his system outside of changing lines.

Garth Snow, you tried my patience and lost. There's your stupid patience.
I wish I could use a SAP feature on Garth Snow everytime he makes a comment so i can hear it in Mandarin because it would make just as much sense.

And for the record, yes I'm a die hard islander fan, have been for going on 36 years now
and I still root for this team, but I'm tired of being their flavor of the season Kool aid tester under this management/direction.

Why Burke? No offense, but he built :bfart: in Vancouver and he built :bfart: in Anaheim. How many of the Ducks did he actually draft? He added a few key players in trades or FA, but the bulk of that team was built via the draft before Burke arrived.

Other than being a complete _rick (to steal a word from Tiger's caddy), Lou L. knows how to build for his system.

As for Comrie, name a team besides Ottawa he didn't do this sort of nonsense in and get run from?

I'm not saying you don't have a right to feel the way you do or that your points aren't valid...

I'm just saying "stay patient" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :P ;)

You must be talking about a different Brian Burke than the one in Vancouver.
When he took over there, that team was a mess.

The negotiations, trades, signings in Anaheim speak for themselves.

Point is, Burke and Lamourillo are respected NHL caliber GM's who've both had experience in not only making deals to draft certain players, but also build teams to compete in their respective conferences.

Garth Snow is not.

Short, simple, to the point.

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per wikipedia...(i usually take it with salt as well)

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In 1992, he left that job to become general manager of the Hartford Whalers. He was fired after one year in Hartford



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In 1998, he became General Manager of the Vancouver Canucks. With the Canucks, he was credited with reviving the ailing franchise and increasing attendance, with the signing of several key players such as the Sedin twins, as the team won a playoff series and captured a division title. As Canucks GM, Burke played a key role in the end of Peter Zezel's career. The controversy began at the trade deadline late in the 199899 season. Zezel's niece Jilliann was terminally ill with cancer in Toronto, and Zezel requested a trade from the Canucks (who were far out of the playoff race) to an Eastern Conference team so he could be closer to his family. Instead, Burke dealt him to the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim, the furthest stop from Toronto in the league. Zezel promptly retired and returned home, and Canuck management were heavily criticised by a sympathetic media and public for the callous way he was treated. Following the 2003-04 NHL season, Canucks ownership chose not to renew Burke's contract for the general manager position.


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Burke won the Stanley Cup with the Anaheim Ducks as the GM in the 2006-2007 season. It was his second year as an executive with the club.

How much could he have done in 2 years? He brought in Pronger and Neidermayer...the Pronger trade was a gift and Neidermayer wanted to play with his brother. Who were all these great draft picks Burke made?

I think Burke is overrated and until he builds a team from scratch (as he will need to do in Toronto) and take them someplace, I'm not overly impressed with him.

ahem,

what I wrote about Burke with Anaheim was this:

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The negotiations, trades, signings in Anaheim speak for themselves.


NOT talking about drafting. You keep falling back on that. yeesh.

You can dislike Burke and not look at him as someone who commands respect as a GM,
but I will always disagree with you.

You mention Burke

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How much could he have done in 2 years? He brought in Pronger and Neidermayer...the Pronger trade was a gift and Neidermayer wanted to play with his brother.


Would the Ducks have won the Cup without Beauchemin (who Burke traded for)???
How about Sutherby and Marchant? 2 more key players on that team?
Guess who brought them there? Oh yeah, didn't he sign Selanne???

The point, MY point is Burke is a well respected GM around the NHL. The only blemish I can think of was something he did to a player he traded away in vancouver that got bad press. Outside of that, he knows how to build a winning team.

Building through the draft is just one way. having the know-with-all and most of all
connections and respect around the NHL is another way a GM can build without the draft.
yes, Lamourillo has done both, but Burke is right up there, so much so the Hockey News named him the best NHL GM.


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