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| Defense makeover; Who stay's, who goes | |
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| stevedepot | Dec 19 2008, 10:47 AM Post #21 |
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Nick, nyifancentral. I don't know. Like you I can only speculate. I already stated how I feel. That's what I'm sticking with. Lock in that opinion...for now. This org is the reason Islander fans lead all NHL fans in Aspirin consumption.
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| IslanderQueen | Dec 19 2008, 11:01 AM Post #22 |
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| nyifancentral | Dec 19 2008, 11:04 AM Post #23 |
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Come on Webb20, you think the Knicks get the pounding the Islanders have in Newsday or Hahn goes to everyone uphappy and gets them to comment about the coach? All we got from the teams house paper was the staff running down Marbury and not a word about Dolan who would not buy out a player. As the new puppet gm and coach kept saying something different. Meanwhile Danilo Galinari after the spam campaign on their top pick has been a joke got a lot more favorable treatment than Bailey got. You really think the Knicks deserve better than the Islanders considering the records since 2001 from Newsday? Mr Botta blasted Alan Hahn and Newsday his final days on the beat in April 2006. |
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| 7th Woman | Dec 19 2008, 11:07 AM Post #24 |
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Tell me the truth NYIFANCENTRAL... Greg ran over your puppy years ago didn't he... |
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| stevedepot | Dec 19 2008, 11:08 AM Post #25 |
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While I'm not a BBall fan, that's a good point. But then again, Newsday was highly critical during that whole Isiah Thomas bashfest. is it Logan and Hahn that you don't like or Newsday in general?
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| Webb20 | Dec 19 2008, 11:10 AM Post #26 |
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I dont know what to think, but I know what I read. And right now Newsday is the only beat coverage we have in print. I know Greg Logan and he doesnt strike me as the type to sensationalize. But I guess train wrecks get attention, while puppy adoption stories get bypassed, meaning higher sales with controversial or bad news. Bottom line is it's the Islanders fault. They have so much fodder to cover. If they weren't so full of disorganization over so long a time, we'd get no news like the Devils. |
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| nyifancentral | Dec 19 2008, 11:19 AM Post #27 |
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Mr Botta had a lot more from Witt that did not make Newsday about how much Witt wants to be here and tells a different story. Dee, all due respect but being in the blog box does not mean the media person is above criticism or about friendships or ties. You need to seperate these things once in a while and not defend Mr Logan for everything or snipe at me when you don't like me calling him on questionable content. I'm sure he is a very nice gentleman. When I talk about the man off the ice then feel free to snipe at me, not before. You are not shy about being critical with other media, everyone has to be treated the same and fair depending on the work. Mr Logan also gets his due when he does a good job from me and you know it. |
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| nyifancentral | Dec 19 2008, 11:27 AM Post #28 |
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Steve, I'm a fan of fair coverage, the names of the writers are wallpaper as far as I'm concerned. All I see is the content day by day. Webb20, just because Newsday is the only full-time paper that covers the club does not mean they are right either about everything they put in the paper. You think when Jim Baumbach takes shots at Al Arbour or Anthony Rieber writes were going to keep writing the Islanders are a laughingstock until they prove othewise (in the summer) but not the Knicks that's even treatment? Look at Mark Everson in the Post, virtually everything for the Devils in negative and full of gloom and doom. Devils have some very good writers in the Star Ledger and Bergen Record, we have one paper and everything they report is treated as gospel and goes straight to Canada. |
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| sybo | Dec 19 2008, 11:38 AM Post #29 |
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Garth Snow circa 2006:
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| 7th Woman | Dec 19 2008, 11:49 AM Post #30 |
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NYIFC - I don't have to separate myself from anything. Not here. I've never "sniped" you anywhere else. But the perpetual Logan "quality of work" bashing grates on my nerves. When I'm here, I'm not the blog box, I'm not media, I'm just Momma Dee, and Momma Dee protects those closest to her at all costs. Go ahead .... Say something about Jason Blake (or currently, God Forbid... Garth) and see what you get... :lol: |
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| stevedepot | Dec 19 2008, 11:50 AM Post #31 |
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Garth Snow is a bastid.
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| 7th Woman | Dec 19 2008, 11:54 AM Post #32 |
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For that... your photoshop access will terminate at midnight Steve-O! |
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| Islander4cups | Dec 19 2008, 12:11 PM Post #33 |
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The Islanders have absolutely NO DEFENSIVE prospects in their system right now. Kohn is not that highly touted. As far as last year's draft, we picked up a few D men in the first three rounds, but none of them is expected to be more than a 4th dman at best. This needs to be addressed in both the next two drafts and the FA market. |
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| nyifancentral | Dec 19 2008, 12:13 PM Post #34 |
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* But the perpetual Logan "quality of work" bashing grates on my nerves. Sorry, but I think the quality of his work should improve a lot (along with a lot more blog entries) and we will have to agree to disagree. Newsday just released the Islander Insider and Mr Logan had nothing on how Witt loves it here and at no time wanted to be traded but a fair statistical argument Gordon may have to change his system. Gordon pulled no punches on Campoli either and how he should be jumping into the play. Mr Botta told the entire story and if was not writing his blog we would see three months of Witt hates it here and wants out. Mr Logan should have done likewise. Mr Botta also wrote Witt was not a fan of Ted Nolan. (not exact words) We had no idea how Hunter loved it here either and assumed he was a goner until he signed a year ago. For months all we got was he will never sign here from Newsday. All this coverage influences fans who want to buy tickets and media everywhere who create team perception for agents and players come July 1st. I think it should be fair but back to topic. |
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| Shooter | Dec 19 2008, 12:14 PM Post #35 |
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They will be addressed. I told everyone here to take the year off, spend more time with your loved ones, and let's meet again in June when we welcome Tavares aboard. The key time for this franchise will be the weeks leading up to the trade deadline. Snow must deal wisely and not let the many players who won't be here next year slip away without any compensation. I mean "any." Even a fresh pretzel twist should be had.
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| Islander4cups | Dec 19 2008, 12:23 PM Post #36 |
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This brings me to two questions/points... 1- What exactly is our "defensive system" in our own end? I've not seen or heard anything about the philosophy other than "overspeed" which to me is more about the forecheck and neutral ice and in the o-zone and not so detailed in our own. 2- I respect Witt for what he said and the fact that he "tried to keep in internal". It does sound like there is a philosophical difference between some of the vets...Witt, Comrie and Gordon. It seems to me the issue is... A- Do you use a system that fits the players you have this year (as Witt said) OR B- Do you continue to use the system that you want and over the next two-three years bring in the players that will fit that system and move the vets you have that won't? I've seen coaches be successful with A and I've seen coaches be successful with B. Gordon seems to be going with B and using it as a way of gaging which Isles should be here for the longer haul and which shouldn't. The problem is, you are banking that you will be the coach for more than two years and that it will show results. Also, if your current players don't all get on board, how do you handle a mutiny if it comes up? Regardless, it is clear to me that Gordon needs to do a better job communicating and selling to vets, but also needs to take into account what the players are saying. Witt has been in the nhl for 10+ years and is a good defensemen, respected around the league and in the lockerroom. Players look up to him. Only a fool wouldn't listen to someone like that. I'm not calling Gordon a fool or calling for his job. Waaaaay too soon for that. However, if you just "run a system" and don't tweak it, adjust it for many variables, you aren't a coach...you are a programmer. We need a coach. I saw during our good stretch in Nov what overspeed can do, but when teams figure it out, how do you then adjust and tweak it. It worked against crap teams like Ottawa, will it work against good ones like Detroit? |
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| 7th Woman | Dec 19 2008, 12:24 PM Post #37 |
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20 years in the front office with the team as their personal concierge will get you places that reporters can't go. (any reporter.) That's why Botta's information is always more thorough, more personal and more exact. He doesn't fall under the confines of "Five minutes, gentlemen." and "Two more questions." When he wants to get to someone, he just picks up his phone. |
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| nyifancentral | Dec 19 2008, 12:35 PM Post #38 |
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That's too easy and you know it. You trying to say Mr Logan had no room in the paper or time to ask Witt if he wanted to be traded and if he is happy here? You take comments as Mr Logan took from Witt it should absolutely be included with the line of questioning. He had today's article and the Insider and still did not get that for the fans. You like Jason Blake? For months we read nothing about how much he loved the Islanders and wanted to stay until his hat-trick after the trade deadline where he stood at center ice and told everyone he wanted to stay. Then Newsday finally reported it For months all we got was Blake wanted out prior to that from Mr Logan. |
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| nyifancentral | Dec 19 2008, 12:38 PM Post #39 |
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* This brings me to two questions/points... * 1- What exactly is our "defensive system" in our own end? I've not seen or heard anything about the philosophy other than "overspeed" which to me is more about the forecheck and neutral ice and in the o-zone and not so detailed in our own. Best question asked I have seen to date. I have no answer to that one either. |
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| 7th Woman | Dec 19 2008, 12:46 PM Post #40 |
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Nope. Not true. For months Jason said he wanted an ANSWER and to where he was going. Not that he wanted OUT. They wouldn't talk to him or his agent about his contract. He went to Greg to plead his case in the paper. Greg asked him "Are you SURE you want to do this?" he said YES. Jason wanted to know where he and his family and baby on the way would be living for the next five years. Greg did not make up a story that Blake wanted to leave. Blake told him "If they don't want me here, then I'll leave." Sad part was, they didn't want him as much as he wanted them. They still don't... no matter how much I beg, bribe or plead. |
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