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Snow Supports Gordon; via IPB
Topic Started: Dec 21 2008, 11:43 PM (865 Views)
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Which is usually in the middle of the pack or slightly worse which will land you in the middle of the draft.

Look I have no problem with changing the coach, as long as you change the GM who picked him too. But looking at how long Wang stuck with Milbury, I would say that Garth is probably safe for another 8 seasons or so.

I will tell you exactly what people will post here if we change the coach. They will love the move and proclaim it to be the big solution. Then with the same roster as we continue to lose everyone will call for the coach's head.

Over the summer all I heard was what a good move getting Gordon was when there were much better and more experienced choices out there. Now almost everyone here has flipped. Like I posted before, Al Arbour and Scotty Bowman would only improve the play of this roster marginally.

If you don't want our top prospects exposed to the losing, then send them out to the minors and junior and ice a team of cr@ppy prospects until we have enough talent to start winning and attracting FAs which won't be for at least a couple of seasons. Otherwise it will be Back To The Future again.

And don't forget, as weak as our roster is we have also been devestated by injuries which makes us even weaker.
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Islander4cups,Dec 22 2008
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How is Chicago's GM a "lame duck"?

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune....llon/index.html

Tallon exists at Bowman's pleasure. And he's hard to please.

It's Friday, and I have more answers ...

It has taken me almost a full day to stop laughing over Dale Tallon's line that firing Denis Savard was "the toughest decision I've ever had to make."

Quick, someone advise Tallon that he only delivered the news to Savard, but that Scotty Bowman made the decision. Big difference. I mean, if Tallon actually believes that he made the decision, then he also probably doesn't realize he will hold the title of general manager only until Bowman says otherwise.

But it's nice of him to keep it warm for Scotty.
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Islander4cups,Dec 22 2008
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How is Chicago's GM a "lame duck"?

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune....llon/index.html

Tallon exists at Bowman's pleasure. And he's hard to please.

It's Friday, and I have more answers ...

It has taken me almost a full day to stop laughing over Dale Tallon's line that firing Denis Savard was "the toughest decision I've ever had to make."

Quick, someone advise Tallon that he only delivered the news to Savard, but that Scotty Bowman made the decision. Big difference. I mean, if Tallon actually believes that he made the decision, then he also probably doesn't realize he will hold the title of general manager only until Bowman says otherwise.

But it's nice of him to keep it warm for Scotty.

You are basing this on the blog of one beat writer? Really?

All that blog is going on about is whether or not he can pull off a trade to bring in more talent. Well, he's already done that through the draft and the FA market.

I think you are looking far too much into the desires of one beat writer. Remember, Bowman was not a successful GM in Buffalo when he was there, never had that title in Montreal, Pitt, or Detroit.

I don't know why Chicago would s#$%can a GM that has done a very good job over the past three years. And when you consider the fact that Bowman has said on more than one occasion he did not wish to be a GM in either Detroit or in Toronto or in Chicago when he joined them, I don't see it happening.
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Islander4cups,Dec 23 2008
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Islander4cups,Dec 22 2008
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How is Chicago's GM a "lame duck"?

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune....llon/index.html

Tallon exists at Bowman's pleasure. And he's hard to please.

It's Friday, and I have more answers ...

It has taken me almost a full day to stop laughing over Dale Tallon's line that firing Denis Savard was "the toughest decision I've ever had to make."

Quick, someone advise Tallon that he only delivered the news to Savard, but that Scotty Bowman made the decision. Big difference. I mean, if Tallon actually believes that he made the decision, then he also probably doesn't realize he will hold the title of general manager only until Bowman says otherwise.

But it's nice of him to keep it warm for Scotty.

You are basing this on the blog of one beat writer? Really?


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Webby, I feel your pain, man.
But… problem is – nobody “real” wants to coach here, Gordon is fresh potato in NHL, people like he is only type of coach who would take this job. Let’s face it.
Nobody respectable would risk its reputation and report to back up goalie…
Let Gordon learn on his mistakes… there is nothing better we can expect.
We NOT deserve it !!! :disgraced:
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EmptyNet,Dec 21 2008
11:43 PM
http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2008/12...ill-not-change/

Hmm, get rid of Snow & Gordon.

Off w/their heads.

Anymore problems with this team Snow is at fault. He has been the GM now for a few years, so give it more time or if there is a change then it is the GM. To point the finger in any other direction would be a mistake. He brings the coach in and the players. All his work so far is this illusion of a winner. To me it is no different than a snake oil salesman. Promise the world and the results are empty. Lets see how we finish this season, with promise or the dead end as has been the past for us. We bomb out this season and he is still walking to the podium on draft day :disgraced: . Pressure has to be on snow for all this not like i read in the papers and it's everyone else fault(theme for this day and age).





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Gordon is a lame duck coach. He's the person who is going to get us through the lean years and then once the team is ready to contend he will be gone. No real coach would take this job given the current situation. I never wanted Gordon, I wanted an experienced head coach. But looking back on it, what coach with experience in their right mind would take this job?
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I'm just not feeling the way the kids are going to grasp playing in the NHL the way the rest of the team is playing.

I think this time is critical in the development of KO and Bailey, some could argue they shouldn't even be here, and they may be right, but they are here.

I think for the benefit of the team, specifically the youngsters our system should be scrapped in favor of a more fundamental approach to hockey system. You know, calculate your pinches, be sure to cover your man. ALWAYS back check, look to pick up the odd man coming back and don't give up on the play in your own end ever!

I'm not a trap fan, not at all, but I agree with the philosophy of making sure the puck is out of your net before you try to put it in the other net. I think overspeed is taking the fundamentals for granted, fundamentals that during a rebuilding process need to be stressed before a more advanced system tailored to the talents of the roster can be put in to place.

I know a lot of people think that this season is a wash - and it is in a lot of ways, but it's valuable experience for KO, Bailey, *Tambs, Comeau. Their playing experience for the remainder of the season should be as educational as possible. I know we're still looking to get more rookie talent, that is plan A of rebuilding, but we can't wash away this year for the rookies we have now. Otherwise we risk their development at the cost of players we haven't even drafted yet.

All IMHO, I'm just a kool-aid drinking Islander fan.
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Viking, Snowman, hey thanks for the great Christmas present by telling me we're stuck with Gordon or some other no-experienced coach.

Yes it can be depressing when you think about it. We're so screwed up no-one in their right mind would take the job.

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So I guess we dont get a coach that can teach the young and motivate the old. But it's what I asked Santa for Christmas.

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I think you are looking far too much into the desires of one beat writer. Remember, Bowman was not a successful GM in Buffalo when he was there, never had that title in Montreal, Pitt, or Detroit.

I don't know why Chicago would s#$%can a GM that has done a very good job over the past three years. And when you consider the fact that Bowman has said on more than one occasion he did not wish to be a GM in either Detroit or in Toronto or in Chicago when he joined them, I don't see it happening.

It's a local beatwriter for a Chicago paper just like Newsday and it's a professional writer in a newspaper.

Not like I took it off some fan site.

Tampa did it's draft and f/a without a gm (or left him home) before firing him then installed one after the season started and he fired the coach within a few weeks.
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But looking back on it, what coach with experience in their right mind would take this job?

Fair question but why did all of them even interview if they were not interested?

Bob Hartley and Garth Snow are supposedly friends and interviewed, you really think he interviewed not to take the job if offered. Crawford took the Kings job and after being fired interviewed.

Only one who did decided not to interview was Quenneville, he did the same thing to the Rangers a few years earlier. He seems to be someone who only works out west.

Gordon was an early interview and it lasted seven hours before he did a second one.
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Like I posted before, Al Arbour and Scotty Bowman would only improve the play of this roster marginally.


I doubt we would give up more than 5 goals as often as we have(9 times so far-not counting the 5-4 shootout loss to the Caps last week) under either of those guys. Play the kids, don't play the kids, but for heaven's sake PLAY DEFENSE!
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Like I posted before, Al Arbour and Scotty Bowman would only improve the play of this roster marginally.


I doubt we would give up more than 5 goals as often as we have(9 times so far-not counting the 5-4 shootout loss to the Caps last week) under either of those guys. Play the kids, don't play the kids, but for heaven's sake PLAY DEFENSE!

Bowman and Arbour wouldn't have this team more than 4-5 points higher than they are now.

BUT, we'd be seeing better defensive zone responsibility, thus giving us hope
that this system is something to have "poatience" in.

Arbours teams never played a defensive 5 man box waiting for the other team to cycle.
he always changed things up and kept his players guessing making them appreciate the gift of playing in the NHL.

Gordon is no Arbour. He's a good guy but a coach out of his league in the NHL.
he has a long ass way to go and if he's here for duration of his contract I'll be surprised.


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Gordon is no Arbour. He's a good guy but a coach out of his league in the NHL he has a long ass way to go and if he's here for duration of his contract I'll be surprised.


We have to see what Gordon is, if his system is so unconventional for the NHL he will not be around or Snow will be bounced with him. Wang was at practice Monday with Snow.

Arbour after taking over for Simpson had some painfully brutal seasons where hope looked to be nowhere in sight. Isles had their 2006-07 playoff in 1990 thanks to Uwe Krupp and then lost again until 93 which was not a good team that year until the stretch run.

During that era Torrey got booed by the fans and Dave Chykowski was selected second along with a lot of other draft busts with key picks.

Names of coaches, general manager and owners change but these things happen to all franchises sooner or later.
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Like I posted before, Al Arbour and Scotty Bowman would only improve the play of this roster marginally.


I doubt we would give up more than 5 goals as often as we have(9 times so far-not counting the 5-4 shootout loss to the Caps last week) under either of those guys. Play the kids, don't play the kids, but for heaven's sake PLAY DEFENSE!

Bowman and Arbour wouldn't have this team more than 4-5 points higher than they are now.

BUT, we'd be seeing better defensive zone responsibility, thus giving us hope
that this system is something to have "poatience" in.

Arbours teams never played a defensive 5 man box waiting for the other team to cycle.
he always changed things up and kept his players guessing making them appreciate the gift of playing in the NHL.

Gordon is no Arbour. He's a good guy but a coach out of his league in the NHL.
he has a long ass way to go and if he's here for duration of his contract I'll be surprised.

People talk all the time about systems, etc. To me, some of the Gordon's decisions don't make sense.

1) Last Friday night, he benched Comeau to start Fritz. I can live with that if he feels like its going to be a physical game. But he does not even play Fritz for a single shift. Why put your team a man short for the game like that? I don't understand that.

2) How about him telling the team that taking the game into OT is all we want? Its all about the wins and losses, man. Are we going to take pride in taking a game into OT now? Is that how low we have to lower our standards now?

3) The decision not to go after Motteau after his hit on Neilsen. The team needs to stand up for one another when attack. It helps build team unity and camaraderie - why not send out your enforcers at that point?

We can all go back-and-forth and argue systems til we are blue in the face, but to me what is highly questionable is the logic behind some of his decisions.
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People talk all the time about systems, etc. To me, some of the Gordon's decisions don't make sense.

1) Last Friday night, he benched Comeau to start Fritz. I can live with that if he feels like its going to be a physical game. But he does not even play Fritz for a single shift. Why put your team a man short for the game like that? I don't understand that.

2) How about him telling the team that taking the game into OT is all we want? Its all about the wins and losses, man. Are we going to take pride in taking a game into OT now? Is that how low we have to lower our standards now?

3) The decision not to go after Motteau after his hit on Neilsen. The team needs to stand up for one another when attack. It helps build team unity and camaraderie - why not send out your enforcers at that point?

We can all go back-and-forth and argue systems til we are blue in the face, but to me what is highly questionable is the logic behind some of his decisions.


Very fair points, no doubt he has made some poor decisions that raise fair questions in addition to whether his system works in the NHL. Some of the things you wrote about are outright blunders where his explanation afterward was as poor as the decision itself.

He put Comeau on right wing when he's a left wing and then questioned his backchecking, he moved Okposo to left wing when he's a right wing and acknowledged it was a mistake.

I have no doubt he had DiPietro on the bench against Buffalo too, just goes in line with Fritz.

Either way Snow is all-in on Gordon. If they lose 5-1 again tonight against Atlanta I do not want to read about all the low percentage shots as his version of dominating play.
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I think you are looking far too much into the desires of one beat writer.  Remember, Bowman was not a successful GM in Buffalo when he was there, never had that title in Montreal, Pitt, or Detroit. 

I don't know why Chicago would s#$%can a GM that has done a very good job over the past three years.  And when you consider the fact that Bowman has said on more than one occasion he did not wish to be a GM in either Detroit or in Toronto or in Chicago when he joined them, I don't see it happening.

It's a local beatwriter for a Chicago paper just like Newsday and it's a professional writer in a newspaper.

Not like I took it off some fan site.

Tampa did it's draft and f/a without a gm (or left him home) before firing him then installed one after the season started and he fired the coach within a few weeks.

and just as we've seen Larry Brooks be sooooo correct so many times, don't always believe what you read.
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