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Topic Started: Dec 19 2008, 10:51 PM (1,567 Views)
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LEDZEP
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Dec 21 2008, 12:09 AM
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Yeah, Nolan's hardworking vets panned out wonderfully. Fourteen straight scoring 2 goals or less. What happened when the vets all went down with injury? Vasicek, and Fedotanko worked well? They'd score, and disappear for 20 games. With all this revisionist Nolan history, who drank the koolaid? If Wang goes, the Islanders go. I'd take Wang over losing my favorite team. I've said this before to people, the Islander move, and I will stop watching the NHL. And because I am such a special person, of course this can never happen.
Nolan bought those players in or Garth? And it's not like either had a big list to choose from. Nolan got more out of Kozlov, Vasicek ect..than they did elsewhere in years prior. I'm not saying Nolan is the best coach and we couldn't do better, but Gordon so far looks like a big downgrade.
How many head coaches has Lou Lamorello gone through in NJ in his tenure? How many have the Avs gone through in Colorado? Should Detroit have lost their gm because they hired Lewis to replace Bowman? Was MM a "visionary" because he originally saw cup potential in Lavvy?
You're comparing Colorado, NJ and Detroit (all teams that have won numerous Cups in the last decade+) to the Islanders. I understand your point, but let's be real here.
No. You apparently don't. My point was those GM's did not enjoy immediate success... Look at those teams when those GM's came in. Did they have immediate success? These were Lou's first coaching hires in NJ Schonfield 88-89 John Cuniff 89-91 Tom McVie91-92 Herb Brooks 92-93 and then Jacques Lemaire 93-98 Those first 4 coaches really lit it up for the Devils didn't they. Ken Holland has been gm of Detroit since 97. He walked into a team loaded with talent (and yes, he had a hand in building it since he was their director of Am scouting for 7 years prior to becoming GM). But how did his hires fair? 2003-05- Dave Lewis 05-now Mike Babcock NOt every first hire is successful. As I recall, it took Torrey a third hire to get it right. Nordique/Av's GM Pierre Lacrouix 94-06 1- Benefitted from a Hershel Walker deal in the Eric Lindros deal. Look at who Philly gave him. 2- His hires as GM Mark Crawford Bob Hartley tony Granato Joel Quenville (and the new GM has Granato coaching again) While Crawford and Hartley earned cups, they came into teams LOADED with talent and it didn't hurt Crawford that Montreal dumped Roy in their lap. Granato and Quenville didn't come close and Crawford and Hartley have had ZERO success in their later hires.
Look a novel of :rolleyes:
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Dec 21 2008, 12:22 AM
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Lavy should come back to coach and be GM
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Dec 21 2008, 12:31 AM
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Had our wonderful Owner/GM's actually added to the 01-02 team or added to the 06-07 team instead of subtracting we wouldnt be watching this garbage every night. Instead we have oversuck and overlose to watch ever game.
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LEDZEP
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Dec 21 2008, 06:29 AM
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- ronski631,Dec 21 2008
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Lavy should come back to coach and be GM 
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Sometimes I grow so tired, but I know I've got one thing I got to do... 
What puckhead says is Islander law
Come in with the milk
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Dec 21 2008, 10:00 AM
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Yeah, Nolan's hardworking vets panned out wonderfully. Fourteen straight scoring 2 goals or less. What happened when the vets all went down with injury? Vasicek, and Fedotanko worked well? They'd score, and disappear for 20 games. With all this revisionist Nolan history, who drank the koolaid? If Wang goes, the Islanders go. I'd take Wang over losing my favorite team. I've said this before to people, the Islander move, and I will stop watching the NHL. And because I am such a special person, of course this can never happen.
Nolan bought those players in or Garth? And it's not like either had a big list to choose from. Nolan got more out of Kozlov, Vasicek ect..than they did elsewhere in years prior. I'm not saying Nolan is the best coach and we couldn't do better, but Gordon so far looks like a big downgrade.
How many head coaches has Lou Lamorello gone through in NJ in his tenure? How many have the Avs gone through in Colorado? Should Detroit have lost their gm because they hired Lewis to replace Bowman? Was MM a "visionary" because he originally saw cup potential in Lavvy?
You're comparing Colorado, NJ and Detroit (all teams that have won numerous Cups in the last decade+) to the Islanders. I understand your point, but let's be real here.
No. You apparently don't. My point was those GM's did not enjoy immediate success... Look at those teams when those GM's came in. Did they have immediate success? These were Lou's first coaching hires in NJ Schonfield 88-89 John Cuniff 89-91 Tom McVie91-92 Herb Brooks 92-93 and then Jacques Lemaire 93-98 Those first 4 coaches really lit it up for the Devils didn't they. Ken Holland has been gm of Detroit since 97. He walked into a team loaded with talent (and yes, he had a hand in building it since he was their director of Am scouting for 7 years prior to becoming GM). But how did his hires fair? 2003-05- Dave Lewis 05-now Mike Babcock NOt every first hire is successful. As I recall, it took Torrey a third hire to get it right. Nordique/Av's GM Pierre Lacrouix 94-06 1- Benefitted from a Hershel Walker deal in the Eric Lindros deal. Look at who Philly gave him. 2- His hires as GM Mark Crawford Bob Hartley tony Granato Joel Quenville (and the new GM has Granato coaching again) While Crawford and Hartley earned cups, they came into teams LOADED with talent and it didn't hurt Crawford that Montreal dumped Roy in their lap. Granato and Quenville didn't come close and Crawford and Hartley have had ZERO success in their later hires.
Dude, you can't even try to put Garth Snow in Lou Lams shoes or anyone else, that's what I'm saying. I understood your point, like I said.
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Dec 21 2008, 10:40 AM
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Yeah, Nolan's hardworking vets panned out wonderfully. Fourteen straight scoring 2 goals or less. What happened when the vets all went down with injury? Vasicek, and Fedotanko worked well? They'd score, and disappear for 20 games. With all this revisionist Nolan history, who drank the koolaid? If Wang goes, the Islanders go. I'd take Wang over losing my favorite team. I've said this before to people, the Islander move, and I will stop watching the NHL. And because I am such a special person, of course this can never happen.
Nolan bought those players in or Garth? And it's not like either had a big list to choose from. Nolan got more out of Kozlov, Vasicek ect..than they did elsewhere in years prior. I'm not saying Nolan is the best coach and we couldn't do better, but Gordon so far looks like a big downgrade.
How many head coaches has Lou Lamorello gone through in NJ in his tenure? How many have the Avs gone through in Colorado? Should Detroit have lost their gm because they hired Lewis to replace Bowman? Was MM a "visionary" because he originally saw cup potential in Lavvy?
You're comparing Colorado, NJ and Detroit (all teams that have won numerous Cups in the last decade+) to the Islanders. I understand your point, but let's be real here.
No. You apparently don't. My point was those GM's did not enjoy immediate success... Look at those teams when those GM's came in. Did they have immediate success? These were Lou's first coaching hires in NJ Schonfield 88-89 John Cuniff 89-91 Tom McVie91-92 Herb Brooks 92-93 and then Jacques Lemaire 93-98 Those first 4 coaches really lit it up for the Devils didn't they. Ken Holland has been gm of Detroit since 97. He walked into a team loaded with talent (and yes, he had a hand in building it since he was their director of Am scouting for 7 years prior to becoming GM). But how did his hires fair? 2003-05- Dave Lewis 05-now Mike Babcock NOt every first hire is successful. As I recall, it took Torrey a third hire to get it right. Nordique/Av's GM Pierre Lacrouix 94-06 1- Benefitted from a Hershel Walker deal in the Eric Lindros deal. Look at who Philly gave him. 2- His hires as GM Mark Crawford Bob Hartley tony Granato Joel Quenville (and the new GM has Granato coaching again) While Crawford and Hartley earned cups, they came into teams LOADED with talent and it didn't hurt Crawford that Montreal dumped Roy in their lap. Granato and Quenville didn't come close and Crawford and Hartley have had ZERO success in their later hires.
Dude, you can't even try to put Garth Snow in Lou Lams shoes or anyone else, that's what I'm saying. I understood your point, like I said.
I'm not trying to put Garth in anyone else's shoes. If you understood my point, you'd get that.
I'm simply saying that even the best GM's often take a hire or two as head coach before they get "the guy".
It took Lou 5 hires. It took Torrey three.
We simply won't know about Garth for another few seasons. We won't know how his picks turn out. While they have been praised by many for getting 5 of the top 35 ranked skaters and 7 of the top 71 in last year's draft, we won't know for a few years how they pan out. But that is the key to any GM's job. How do they draft? Well, he did a great job on draft day last year as far as that moment. How that will turn out by 2011 we shall see.
I'm not singing Garth's praises nor am I quick to bash him. He's done some very good as Isles GM and not so much...
1- Got rid of Nolkie, Nilssen, Yashin
2- Signed Sims (not so much)
3- Brought in Guerin, Weight, MacDonald, Streit
4- Dumped Dubie (that was a very good move if he isn't going to show up to camp in shape and be ready to start a season)
5- Finally started a proper rebuild for this franchise...now whether it works or not under his lead, who knows, but this team has been in need of a proper rebuild since 1994 and we haven't committed to it. REbuilds are often painful processes, but you have to commit to it fully. The organization seems to have done that...play kids, draft and keep kids... but will they be bringing in the right parts?
6- Let Satan & Tank walk...it was a good move. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs a shrink.
7- Signed Pock- I don't care how much we need D depth...he's horrible. Almost makes Gervais look competent.
8- Hired Gordon... I'm reserving judgement for more than 35 games that is for sure. I don't know if it is going to be a mike keenan sort of deal where he brings in the type of guys to play "his system" or it is going to be a pat burns type of situation where he just tries to bring in talent and adjusts. I've seen both types work and both types fail. But last I checked, even Al Arbour got more than half a season to put things in order.
It just seems like many here are quick to bash. Now, I don't blame people, but also blame has to be properly dispursed. I hold GArth Snow accountable for nothing prior to his becoming GM nor do I for his first season as GM because he had to deal with all the crap that MM left in that job...no prospects, mid level talent AT BEST. I understand those who are tired of the "same old, same old" since 94. I get that. But I think SOME of the posters wouldn't be happy if we hired Lou Lamorello or Brian Burke or Pat Burns last summer and were still seeing the same thing.
In some cases, I think it is more frustration talking than objectively looking at it. That isn't meant as an inditement or meanspirited. It is just how I see it based on some of the comments posted.
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Dec 21 2008, 11:20 AM
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Yeah, Nolan's hardworking vets panned out wonderfully. Fourteen straight scoring 2 goals or less. What happened when the vets all went down with injury? Vasicek, and Fedotanko worked well? They'd score, and disappear for 20 games. With all this revisionist Nolan history, who drank the koolaid? If Wang goes, the Islanders go. I'd take Wang over losing my favorite team. I've said this before to people, the Islander move, and I will stop watching the NHL. And because I am such a special person, of course this can never happen.
Nolan bought those players in or Garth? And it's not like either had a big list to choose from. Nolan got more out of Kozlov, Vasicek ect..than they did elsewhere in years prior. I'm not saying Nolan is the best coach and we couldn't do better, but Gordon so far looks like a big downgrade.
How many head coaches has Lou Lamorello gone through in NJ in his tenure? How many have the Avs gone through in Colorado? Should Detroit have lost their gm because they hired Lewis to replace Bowman? Was MM a "visionary" because he originally saw cup potential in Lavvy?
You're comparing Colorado, NJ and Detroit (all teams that have won numerous Cups in the last decade+) to the Islanders. I understand your point, but let's be real here.
No. You apparently don't. My point was those GM's did not enjoy immediate success... Look at those teams when those GM's came in. Did they have immediate success? These were Lou's first coaching hires in NJ Schonfield 88-89 John Cuniff 89-91 Tom McVie91-92 Herb Brooks 92-93 and then Jacques Lemaire 93-98 Those first 4 coaches really lit it up for the Devils didn't they. Ken Holland has been gm of Detroit since 97. He walked into a team loaded with talent (and yes, he had a hand in building it since he was their director of Am scouting for 7 years prior to becoming GM). But how did his hires fair? 2003-05- Dave Lewis 05-now Mike Babcock NOt every first hire is successful. As I recall, it took Torrey a third hire to get it right. Nordique/Av's GM Pierre Lacrouix 94-06 1- Benefitted from a Hershel Walker deal in the Eric Lindros deal. Look at who Philly gave him. 2- His hires as GM Mark Crawford Bob Hartley tony Granato Joel Quenville (and the new GM has Granato coaching again) While Crawford and Hartley earned cups, they came into teams LOADED with talent and it didn't hurt Crawford that Montreal dumped Roy in their lap. Granato and Quenville didn't come close and Crawford and Hartley have had ZERO success in their later hires.
Dude, you can't even try to put Garth Snow in Lou Lams shoes or anyone else, that's what I'm saying. I understood your point, like I said.
I'm not trying to put Garth in anyone else's shoes. If you understood my point, you'd get that. I'm simply saying that even the best GM's often take a hire or two as head coach before they get "the guy". It took Lou 5 hires. It took Torrey three. We simply won't know about Garth for another few seasons. We won't know how his picks turn out. While they have been praised by many for getting 5 of the top 35 ranked skaters and 7 of the top 71 in last year's draft, we won't know for a few years how they pan out. But that is the key to any GM's job. How do they draft? Well, he did a great job on draft day last year as far as that moment. How that will turn out by 2011 we shall see. I'm not singing Garth's praises nor am I quick to bash him. He's done some very good as Isles GM and not so much... 1- Got rid of Nolkie, Nilssen, Yashin 2- Signed Sims (not so much) 3- Brought in Guerin, Weight, MacDonald, Streit 4- Dumped Dubie (that was a very good move if he isn't going to show up to camp in shape and be ready to start a season) 5- Finally started a proper rebuild for this franchise...now whether it works or not under his lead, who knows, but this team has been in need of a proper rebuild since 1994 and we haven't committed to it. REbuilds are often painful processes, but you have to commit to it fully. The organization seems to have done that...play kids, draft and keep kids... but will they be bringing in the right parts? 6- Let Satan & Tank walk...it was a good move. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs a shrink. 7- Signed Pock- I don't care how much we need D depth...he's horrible. Almost makes Gervais look competent. 8- Hired Gordon... I'm reserving judgement for more than 35 games that is for sure. I don't know if it is going to be a mike keenan sort of deal where he brings in the type of guys to play "his system" or it is going to be a pat burns type of situation where he just tries to bring in talent and adjusts. I've seen both types work and both types fail. But last I checked, even Al Arbour got more than half a season to put things in order. It just seems like many here are quick to bash. Now, I don't blame people, but also blame has to be properly dispursed. I hold GArth Snow accountable for nothing prior to his becoming GM nor do I for his first season as GM because he had to deal with all the crap that MM left in that job...no prospects, mid level talent AT BEST. I understand those who are tired of the "same old, same old" since 94. I get that. But I think SOME of the posters wouldn't be happy if we hired Lou Lamorello or Brian Burke or Pat Burns last summer and were still seeing the same thing. In some cases, I think it is more frustration talking than objectively looking at it. That isn't meant as an inditement or meanspirited. It is just how I see it based on some of the comments posted.
my thoughts exactly.....Rebuilding is hard to watch but it will feel great when we win it all by building from the ground up.
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Dec 21 2008, 11:27 AM
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Yeah, Nolan's hardworking vets panned out wonderfully. Fourteen straight scoring 2 goals or less. What happened when the vets all went down with injury? Vasicek, and Fedotanko worked well? They'd score, and disappear for 20 games. With all this revisionist Nolan history, who drank the koolaid? If Wang goes, the Islanders go. I'd take Wang over losing my favorite team. I've said this before to people, the Islander move, and I will stop watching the NHL. And because I am such a special person, of course this can never happen.
Nolan bought those players in or Garth? And it's not like either had a big list to choose from. Nolan got more out of Kozlov, Vasicek ect..than they did elsewhere in years prior. I'm not saying Nolan is the best coach and we couldn't do better, but Gordon so far looks like a big downgrade.
How many head coaches has Lou Lamorello gone through in NJ in his tenure? How many have the Avs gone through in Colorado? Should Detroit have lost their gm because they hired Lewis to replace Bowman? Was MM a "visionary" because he originally saw cup potential in Lavvy?
You're comparing Colorado, NJ and Detroit (all teams that have won numerous Cups in the last decade+) to the Islanders. I understand your point, but let's be real here.
No. You apparently don't. My point was those GM's did not enjoy immediate success... Look at those teams when those GM's came in. Did they have immediate success? These were Lou's first coaching hires in NJ Schonfield 88-89 John Cuniff 89-91 Tom McVie91-92 Herb Brooks 92-93 and then Jacques Lemaire 93-98 Those first 4 coaches really lit it up for the Devils didn't they. Ken Holland has been gm of Detroit since 97. He walked into a team loaded with talent (and yes, he had a hand in building it since he was their director of Am scouting for 7 years prior to becoming GM). But how did his hires fair? 2003-05- Dave Lewis 05-now Mike Babcock NOt every first hire is successful. As I recall, it took Torrey a third hire to get it right. Nordique/Av's GM Pierre Lacrouix 94-06 1- Benefitted from a Hershel Walker deal in the Eric Lindros deal. Look at who Philly gave him. 2- His hires as GM Mark Crawford Bob Hartley tony Granato Joel Quenville (and the new GM has Granato coaching again) While Crawford and Hartley earned cups, they came into teams LOADED with talent and it didn't hurt Crawford that Montreal dumped Roy in their lap. Granato and Quenville didn't come close and Crawford and Hartley have had ZERO success in their later hires.
Dude, you can't even try to put Garth Snow in Lou Lams shoes or anyone else, that's what I'm saying. I understood your point, like I said.
I'm not trying to put Garth in anyone else's shoes. If you understood my point, you'd get that. I'm simply saying that even the best GM's often take a hire or two as head coach before they get "the guy". It took Lou 5 hires. It took Torrey three. We simply won't know about Garth for another few seasons. We won't know how his picks turn out. While they have been praised by many for getting 5 of the top 35 ranked skaters and 7 of the top 71 in last year's draft, we won't know for a few years how they pan out. But that is the key to any GM's job. How do they draft? Well, he did a great job on draft day last year as far as that moment. How that will turn out by 2011 we shall see. I'm not singing Garth's praises nor am I quick to bash him. He's done some very good as Isles GM and not so much... 1- Got rid of Nolkie, Nilssen, Yashin 2- Signed Sims (not so much) 3- Brought in Guerin, Weight, MacDonald, Streit 4- Dumped Dubie (that was a very good move if he isn't going to show up to camp in shape and be ready to start a season) 5- Finally started a proper rebuild for this franchise...now whether it works or not under his lead, who knows, but this team has been in need of a proper rebuild since 1994 and we haven't committed to it. REbuilds are often painful processes, but you have to commit to it fully. The organization seems to have done that...play kids, draft and keep kids... but will they be bringing in the right parts? 6- Let Satan & Tank walk...it was a good move. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs a shrink. 7- Signed Pock- I don't care how much we need D depth...he's horrible. Almost makes Gervais look competent. 8- Hired Gordon... I'm reserving judgement for more than 35 games that is for sure. I don't know if it is going to be a mike keenan sort of deal where he brings in the type of guys to play "his system" or it is going to be a pat burns type of situation where he just tries to bring in talent and adjusts. I've seen both types work and both types fail. But last I checked, even Al Arbour got more than half a season to put things in order. It just seems like many here are quick to bash. Now, I don't blame people, but also blame has to be properly dispursed. I hold GArth Snow accountable for nothing prior to his becoming GM nor do I for his first season as GM because he had to deal with all the crap that MM left in that job...no prospects, mid level talent AT BEST. I understand those who are tired of the "same old, same old" since 94. I get that. But I think SOME of the posters wouldn't be happy if we hired Lou Lamorello or Brian Burke or Pat Burns last summer and were still seeing the same thing. In some cases, I think it is more frustration talking than objectively looking at it. That isn't meant as an inditement or meanspirited. It is just how I see it based on some of the comments posted.
 my thoughts exactly.....Rebuilding is hard to watch but it will feel great when we win it all by building from the ground up. 
It sounds great but you need talent to build with
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Dec 21 2008, 12:56 PM
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Yeah we do need talent. My orig post on this thread was about how we don't get any improvement, I guess I'm relating it to the Isbister-Connoly-Czerkawksi days, but back then it felt like watching guys develop right in front of my eyes, now it feels like I'm watching 5 guys at a time take a dookie on the ice.
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Dec 21 2008, 01:16 PM
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Yeah we do need talent. My orig post on this thread was about how we don't get any improvement, I guess I'm relating it to the Isbister-Connoly-Czerkawksi days, but back then it felt like watching guys develop right in front of my eyes, now it feels like I'm watching 5 guys at a time take a dookie on the ice.
I understand your point, but consider this (and it is one of the things I've been trying to get at)
MM left the cupboard bear. Look at his last 4 drafts for the Islanders...
2005 Entry 15 1 Ryan O'Marra 2005 Entry 46 2 Dustin Kohn D 2005 Entry 76 3 Shea Guthrie W 2005 Entry 144 5 Masi Marjamaki L 2005 Entry 180 6 Tyrell Mason D 2005 Entry 196 7 Nick Tuzzolino D 2005 Entry 210 7 Luciano Aquino R 2004 Entry 16 1 Petteri Nokelainen R 2004 Entry 47 2 Blake Comeau R 2004 Entry 82 3 Sergei Ogorodnikov C 2004 Entry 115 4 Wes O'Neill D 2004 Entry 148 5 Steven Regier L 2004 Entry 179 6 Jaroslav Mrazek L 2004 Entry 210 7 Emil Axelsson D 2004 Entry 227 7 Chris Campoli D 2004 Entry 244 8 Jason Pitton L Sault Ste. 2004 Entry 276 9 Sylvain Michaud G
2003 Entry 15 1 Robert Nilsson C 2003 Entry 48 2 Dmitri Chernykh R 2003 Entry 53 2 Evgeny Tunik C 2003 Entry 58 2 Jeremy Colliton C 2003 Entry 120 4 Stefan Blaho L 2003 Entry 182 6 Bruno Gervais D 2003 Entry 212 7 Denis Rehak D 2003 Entry 238 8 Cody Blanshan D 2003 Entry 246 8 Igor Volkov L 2002 Entry 22 1 Sean Bergenheim 2002 Entry 87 3 Frans Nielsen C 2002 Entry 149 5 Markus Pahlsson 2002 Entry 189 6 Alexei Stonkus D 2002 Entry 220 7 Brad Topping G 2002 Entry 252 8 Martin Chabada L 2002 Entry 283 9 Per Braxenholm D
Do you think it is sad that we have more 6th and 7th round picks playing for us and playing in the nhl than our 1-3 rounders in those 4 drafts? How did we miss that badly?
You can't have talent if you don't draft it and that is what Snow is trying to do. And even then, it takes 2-3 years for that talent to arrive after it is picked.
What you are watching and feeling is the same #$%^ the Pitt fans and Crapitals fans were thinking in 05. I live outside DC and the 6 Crapitals fans in existence (yes, there are only 6 of them) were all saying the same stuff. Now, they have forgotten those days because of how their rebuilds turned out.
We have had two very good drafts recently... Neil Smith's one draft... 2006 Entry 7 1 Kyle Okposo R 2006 Entry 60 2 Jesse Joensuu 2006 Entry 70 3 Robin Figren L 2006 Entry 100 4 Rhett Rakhshani R 2006 Entry 108 4 Jase Weslosky G 2006 Entry 115 4 Tomas Marcinko C 2006 Entry 119 4 Doug Rogers C 2006 Entry 126 5 Shane Sims D 2006 Entry 141 5 Kim Johansson W 2006 Entry 160 6 Andrew MacDonald 2006 Entry 171 6 Brian Day R 2006 Entry 173 6 Stefan Ridderwall G 2006 Entry 190 7 Troy Mattila L
And Garth Snow's draft... 1 9 Josh Bailey C 2 36 Corey Trivino 2 40 Aaron Ness D 2 53 Travis Hamonic D 3 66 David Toews C 3 72 Jyri Niemi D 3 73 Kirill Petrov RW
Now that cupboard is being filled. Maybe not with the "top shelf liquor" you desire, but once some of this ages you'll enjoy a taste from some of these (OK...that sounded wierd, but you know what I mean )
I think we have something to look forward to with our first 4 picks in 2006 and our first Bailey, Trivino, Niemi and Petrov from the 08 draft. Not to mention I think Kessel (2007) has a chance to develop into a good dman as he seems to be filling out in juniors. Time will tell, but ask me this...who has the organization in a better place as far as "prospects" go, Snow or Milbury?
The first thing you have to do when rebuilding a house is check the foundation. MM ffffed up that foundation. It takes time to put in a new one.
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It sounds great but you need talent to build with
Absolutely true Zep...but that talent comes from THE DRAFT and the draft only comes once a year.
And it takes more than one draft to accumulate talent.
Do you think Snow has drafted well?
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Yeah we do need talent. My orig post on this thread was about how we don't get any improvement, I guess I'm relating it to the Isbister-Connoly-Czerkawksi days, but back then it felt like watching guys develop right in front of my eyes, now it feels like I'm watching 5 guys at a time take a dookie on the ice.
I understand your point, but consider this (and it is one of the things I've been trying to get at) MM left the cupboard bear. Look at his last 4 drafts for the Islanders... 2005 Entry 15 1 Ryan O'Marra 2005 Entry 46 2 Dustin Kohn D 2005 Entry 76 3 Shea Guthrie W 2005 Entry 144 5 Masi Marjamaki L 2005 Entry 180 6 Tyrell Mason D 2005 Entry 196 7 Nick Tuzzolino D 2005 Entry 210 7 Luciano Aquino R 2004 Entry 16 1 Petteri Nokelainen R 2004 Entry 47 2 Blake Comeau R 2004 Entry 82 3 Sergei Ogorodnikov C 2004 Entry 115 4 Wes O'Neill D 2004 Entry 148 5 Steven Regier L 2004 Entry 179 6 Jaroslav Mrazek L 2004 Entry 210 7 Emil Axelsson D 2004 Entry 227 7 Chris Campoli D 2004 Entry 244 8 Jason Pitton L Sault Ste. 2004 Entry 276 9 Sylvain Michaud G 2003 Entry 15 1 Robert Nilsson C 2003 Entry 48 2 Dmitri Chernykh R 2003 Entry 53 2 Evgeny Tunik C 2003 Entry 58 2 Jeremy Colliton C 2003 Entry 120 4 Stefan Blaho L 2003 Entry 182 6 Bruno Gervais D 2003 Entry 212 7 Denis Rehak D 2003 Entry 238 8 Cody Blanshan D 2003 Entry 246 8 Igor Volkov L 2002 Entry 22 1 Sean Bergenheim 2002 Entry 87 3 Frans Nielsen C 2002 Entry 149 5 Markus Pahlsson 2002 Entry 189 6 Alexei Stonkus D 2002 Entry 220 7 Brad Topping G 2002 Entry 252 8 Martin Chabada L 2002 Entry 283 9 Per Braxenholm D Do you think it is sad that we have more 6th and 7th round picks playing for us and playing in the nhl than our 1-3 rounders in those 4 drafts? How did we miss that badly? You can't have talent if you don't draft it and that is what Snow is trying to do. And even then, it takes 2-3 years for that talent to arrive after it is picked. What you are watching and feeling is the same #$%^ the Pitt fans and Crapitals fans were thinking in 05. I live outside DC and the 6 Crapitals fans in existence (yes, there are only 6 of them) were all saying the same stuff. Now, they have forgotten those days because of how their rebuilds turned out. We have had two very good drafts recently... Neil Smith's one draft... 2006 Entry 7 1 Kyle Okposo R 2006 Entry 60 2 Jesse Joensuu 2006 Entry 70 3 Robin Figren L 2006 Entry 100 4 Rhett Rakhshani R 2006 Entry 108 4 Jase Weslosky G 2006 Entry 115 4 Tomas Marcinko C 2006 Entry 119 4 Doug Rogers C 2006 Entry 126 5 Shane Sims D 2006 Entry 141 5 Kim Johansson W 2006 Entry 160 6 Andrew MacDonald 2006 Entry 171 6 Brian Day R 2006 Entry 173 6 Stefan Ridderwall G 2006 Entry 190 7 Troy Mattila L And Garth Snow's draft... 1 9 Josh Bailey C 2 36 Corey Trivino 2 40 Aaron Ness D 2 53 Travis Hamonic D 3 66 David Toews C 3 72 Jyri Niemi D 3 73 Kirill Petrov RW Now that cupboard is being filled. Maybe not with the "top shelf liquor" you desire, but once some of this ages you'll enjoy a taste from some of these (OK...that sounded wierd, but you know what I mean  ) I think we have something to look forward to with our first 4 picks in 2006 and our first Bailey, Trivino, Niemi and Petrov from the 08 draft. Not to mention I think Kessel (2007) has a chance to develop into a good dman as he seems to be filling out in juniors. Time will tell, but ask me this...who has the organization in a better place as far as "prospects" go, Snow or Milbury? The first thing you have to do when rebuilding a house is check the foundation. MM ffffed up that foundation. It takes time to put in a new one.
Awesome post. I do get what you're saying. I think a lot of the posts are about frustration for sure, it'd still be nice though to have a "oh wow" look how good KO is doing thread or something. Like I said, something to hang the hope hat on.
For all the time we bashed Nolan for not playing the younger players, the younger players he did play seemed to do better than they do now. I'm sure part of that is a product of the team around them (it has to be). Yesterday I thought that I just wanted to see some talent or drive, or something from anyone, but the more this thread went on I realized it's the environment that Gordon is putting these kids in. The kids can't look up to see what to emulate to do things right. They look around them and see guys like Witt talking smack about the BS system that's in place. I thought about it and I think for Witt to come out and say that, the guys must be talking amongst themselves about this system. Witt always seemed like a team first type of player, I think for him to comment to the media like he did, he must think it's in the best interest of the team.
I don't think Gordon can get the team on the same page unless he abandons his system and gets everyone to just play some hockey. It's not the system, it's the coach and his inability to adjust the system. I just don't get how rookies are supposed to develop in this way.
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It sounds great but you need talent to build with
Absolutely true Zep...but that talent comes from THE DRAFT and the draft only comes once a year. And it takes more than one draft to accumulate talent. Do you think Snow has drafted well?
and it will get only better at next years draft

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Yeah, Nolan's hardworking vets panned out wonderfully. Fourteen straight scoring 2 goals or less. What happened when the vets all went down with injury? Vasicek, and Fedotanko worked well? They'd score, and disappear for 20 games. With all this revisionist Nolan history, who drank the koolaid? If Wang goes, the Islanders go. I'd take Wang over losing my favorite team. I've said this before to people, the Islander move, and I will stop watching the NHL. And because I am such a special person, of course this can never happen.
Nolan bought those players in or Garth? And it's not like either had a big list to choose from. Nolan got more out of Kozlov, Vasicek ect..than they did elsewhere in years prior. I'm not saying Nolan is the best coach and we couldn't do better, but Gordon so far looks like a big downgrade.
How many head coaches has Lou Lamorello gone through in NJ in his tenure? How many have the Avs gone through in Colorado? Should Detroit have lost their gm because they hired Lewis to replace Bowman? Was MM a "visionary" because he originally saw cup potential in Lavvy?
You're comparing Colorado, NJ and Detroit (all teams that have won numerous Cups in the last decade+) to the Islanders. I understand your point, but let's be real here.
No. You apparently don't. My point was those GM's did not enjoy immediate success... Look at those teams when those GM's came in. Did they have immediate success? These were Lou's first coaching hires in NJ Schonfield 88-89 John Cuniff 89-91 Tom McVie91-92 Herb Brooks 92-93 and then Jacques Lemaire 93-98 Those first 4 coaches really lit it up for the Devils didn't they. Ken Holland has been gm of Detroit since 97. He walked into a team loaded with talent (and yes, he had a hand in building it since he was their director of Am scouting for 7 years prior to becoming GM). But how did his hires fair? 2003-05- Dave Lewis 05-now Mike Babcock NOt every first hire is successful. As I recall, it took Torrey a third hire to get it right. Nordique/Av's GM Pierre Lacrouix 94-06 1- Benefitted from a Hershel Walker deal in the Eric Lindros deal. Look at who Philly gave him. 2- His hires as GM Mark Crawford Bob Hartley tony Granato Joel Quenville (and the new GM has Granato coaching again) While Crawford and Hartley earned cups, they came into teams LOADED with talent and it didn't hurt Crawford that Montreal dumped Roy in their lap. Granato and Quenville didn't come close and Crawford and Hartley have had ZERO success in their later hires.
Dude, you can't even try to put Garth Snow in Lou Lams shoes or anyone else, that's what I'm saying. I understood your point, like I said.
I'm not trying to put Garth in anyone else's shoes. If you understood my point, you'd get that. I'm simply saying that even the best GM's often take a hire or two as head coach before they get "the guy". It took Lou 5 hires. It took Torrey three. We simply won't know about Garth for another few seasons. We won't know how his picks turn out. While they have been praised by many for getting 5 of the top 35 ranked skaters and 7 of the top 71 in last year's draft, we won't know for a few years how they pan out. But that is the key to any GM's job. How do they draft? Well, he did a great job on draft day last year as far as that moment. How that will turn out by 2011 we shall see. I'm not singing Garth's praises nor am I quick to bash him. He's done some very good as Isles GM and not so much... 1- Got rid of Nolkie, Nilssen, Yashin 2- Signed Sims (not so much) 3- Brought in Guerin, Weight, MacDonald, Streit 4- Dumped Dubie (that was a very good move if he isn't going to show up to camp in shape and be ready to start a season) 5- Finally started a proper rebuild for this franchise...now whether it works or not under his lead, who knows, but this team has been in need of a proper rebuild since 1994 and we haven't committed to it. REbuilds are often painful processes, but you have to commit to it fully. The organization seems to have done that...play kids, draft and keep kids... but will they be bringing in the right parts? 6- Let Satan & Tank walk...it was a good move. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs a shrink. 7- Signed Pock- I don't care how much we need D depth...he's horrible. Almost makes Gervais look competent. 8- Hired Gordon... I'm reserving judgement for more than 35 games that is for sure. I don't know if it is going to be a mike keenan sort of deal where he brings in the type of guys to play "his system" or it is going to be a pat burns type of situation where he just tries to bring in talent and adjusts. I've seen both types work and both types fail. But last I checked, even Al Arbour got more than half a season to put things in order. It just seems like many here are quick to bash. Now, I don't blame people, but also blame has to be properly dispursed. I hold GArth Snow accountable for nothing prior to his becoming GM nor do I for his first season as GM because he had to deal with all the crap that MM left in that job...no prospects, mid level talent AT BEST. I understand those who are tired of the "same old, same old" since 94. I get that. But I think SOME of the posters wouldn't be happy if we hired Lou Lamorello or Brian Burke or Pat Burns last summer and were still seeing the same thing. In some cases, I think it is more frustration talking than objectively looking at it. That isn't meant as an inditement or meanspirited. It is just how I see it based on some of the comments posted. I think Garth chose to do a rebuild because he has no choice. If he was committed to a rebuild he would have got rid of Satan, Blake and Fedotenko at the deadline last year for picks. Since he didn't, he then went and traded our top draft pick for more picks because he made a big mistake there by not picking up the extra picks. He traded Zhitnik well before the deadline two years prior for a guy he eventually waived than gave an extention too (Meyer). Philly traded Zhitnik at the deadline for Braydon Coburn..owned! He traded Denis Grebeshkov for MAB I don't mind the Smyth trade all that much. These 3 are by far the 3 worst things he has done as GM. He has already set us back a few years, not inlcuding the Smyth trade. The positive things he has supposedly done no one knows yet. Garth has been beyond terrible IMO.
I think Garth chose to do a rebuild because he had no choice. If he was committed to a rebuild he would have got rid of Satan, Fedotenko ect.. at the deadline last year (when we were heading downhill and sucked) for picks. Since he didn't, he then went and traded our top draft pick (Nikita Filatov or Luke Schenn) for more picks because he made a big mistake there by not picking up the extra picks.
He traded Zhitnik well before the deadline two years prior for a guy he eventually waived than gave an extension too (Meyer). Philly traded Zhitnik at the deadline for Braydon Coburn..owned!
He traded Denis Grebeshkov for MAB
I don't mind the Smyth trade all that much, but it turned out to be a big mistake.
These 3 are by far the 3 worst things he has done as GM. He has already set us back a few years, not including the Smyth trade. If you want to throw in the Nokie trade, the Zednik for a 2nd and not trading Blake at the deadline the year prior than fine.
The positive things he has supposedly done no one knows yet.
Garth has been beyond terrible IMO.
He has done nothing but set us back like Milbury has done. We need a real GM.
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Great Post Snowday, we need a real GM, and real (and well respected) nhl coach before this team can set out on any real rebuilding process. Why does this owner seem to drop the successful ones (Lavvy, Nolan, etc) and have patience with the failures (MM, Snow, etc)?
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I think Garth chose to do a rebuild because he has no choice. If he was committed to a rebuild he would have got rid of Satan, Blake and Fedotenko at the deadline last year for picks. Since he didn't, he then went and traded our top draft pick for more picks because he made a big mistake there by not picking up the extra picks.
He traded Zhitnik well before the deadline two years prior for a guy he eventually waived than gave an extention too (Meyer). Philly traded Zhitnik at the deadline for Braydon Coburn..owned!
He traded Denis Grebeshkov for MAB
I don't mind the Smyth trade all that much.
These 3 are by far the 3 worst things he has done as GM. He has already set us back a few years, not inlcuding the Smyth trade.
The positive things he has supposedly done no one knows yet.
Garth has been beyond terrible IMO. [/QUOTE] I think Garth chose to do a rebuild because he had no choice. If he was committed to a rebuild he would have got rid of Satan, Fedotenko ect.. at the deadline last year (when we were heading downhill and sucked) for picks. Since he didn't, he then went and traded our top draft pick (Nikita Filatov or Luke Schenn) for more picks because he made a big mistake there by not picking up the extra picks.
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I don't mind the Smyth trade all that much, but it turned out to be a big mistake.
The Zhitnik deal is what opened up cap space to make the Smyth deal. While the Flyers got Coburn for Zhitnik. We got Smyth for Zhitnik and what we gave Edmonton. You might think the Smyth deal was a mistake, but I don't. Snow had a team at the moment that was in 6th place in the east and climbing the standings and playing some of the best hockey in the east at the time of the trade. The trade didn't work out. The Isles suffered injuries right after it, but any GM will tell you that when you have a chance to get a guy like Smyth, you do it. Besides, Pitt made a similar deal last year for Hossa...didn't win the cup and didn't keep Hossa. Was it the wrong deal?
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He traded Denis Grebeshkov for MAB Yes, he traded a guy who WOULDN'T sign a contract with the Islanders and got something for him. How terrible is that!!!! Trading a 5th defensemen (possibly if he develops) and getting a guy like MAB in return.
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These 3 are by far the 3 worst things he has done as GM. He has already set us back a few years, not including the Smyth trade. If you want to throw in the Nokie trade, the Zednik for a 2nd and not trading Blake at the deadline the year prior than fine.
Are you kidding? How was the Nokie trade a bad trade? We are getting Boston's 2nd round pick this year for a kid with a bum knee who will never be more than a 4th line center....AND WAS A TERRIBLE FIRST ROUND PICK BY MILBURY.
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The positive things he has supposedly done no one knows yet.
Garth has been beyond terrible IMO.
He has done nothing but set us back like Milbury has done. We need a real GM.
Betting rid of guys like Nokie, Nillsen, Grebeshkov was doing nothing more than getting rid of dead weight. The fact that Snow got more than a bag of pucks for any of them was a miracle.
The idea that Snow has "set the Islanders back" is laughable. They were in a poor state thanks to MM when he took over and has begun restocking the org. with prospects. That is something MM never did.
It is easy to play monday morning qb with the Smyth deal, but I'm telling you now, O'Mara is the only one of those players who might turn into someone decent in the nhl. That was a good trade that didn't work out. And based upon Smyth breaking down last year, perhaps it is a good thing we didn't sign him.
With Zhitnik and Atlanta, there was no way to see that Atlanta's GM wanted to get good young talent out of ATL that badly with the moronic trades he made at the deadline with Philly and STL. You've got to give Homgren credit for basically raiding both Nashville and Atlanta all in the same week, but those were deals 29 other GM's didn't make so to just get on Snow about it is a bit hypocritical. Who knew Waddel didn't want any young talent in Atlanta anymore.
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Great Post Snowday, we need a real GM, and real (and well respected) nhl coach before this team can set out on any real rebuilding process. Why does this owner seem to drop the successful ones (Lavvy, Nolan, etc) and have patience with the failures (MM, Snow, etc)?
Nolan made the playoffs once and was 5 spots from dead last in his next season.
How successful was he again?
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From 2001 to 2007 didn't the isles make the payoffs 4 out of 6 years strike year counted in Sooooooooooooooooooooo Why tear down a team - And rebuild it with the Bridge Port Sound Tigers There will be no more Dynasty's in the NHL anymore.
Isles could have tinkered with last years team add a offensive guy etc make the playoffs maybe win 2 games
Give the fans something to look forward to. Waiting 3 or 4 years for this titanic to be built is just ridiculous.....
There are no quality players of that caliber that the Isles have to make this happen.
The current Isles will be the 1995 to 2000 edition until another Yashin, Peca Osgood type deal is made.
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Great Post Snowday, we need a real GM, and real (and well respected) nhl coach before this team can set out on any real rebuilding process. Why does this owner seem to drop the successful ones (Lavvy, Nolan, etc) and have patience with the failures (MM, Snow, etc)?
Wait a minute...
The Islanders were two points out at the trade deadline last year, you wanted them to quit the season for a few third rounders. Guerin had a no trade clause, so did Satan.
You were expecting a first rounder for Fedotenko last year ? How about a fourth at best.
No NHL team in a playoff race throws in the towel after a six game winning streak. ****************************************************************
Snow traded Denis Grebeshkov, a player who stayed out of the NHL for an entire year and you're blaming him. Without Bergeron's shot in 06-07, no playoffs.
How do you know Zhitnik for Coburn would have happened if he stayed an Islander, Coburn could have been moved to a lot of clubs that day or earlier. What if the Islanders got stuck with Zhitnik's contract which became a nighmare for Atlanta? ********************************************************** The Islanders hired Laviolette and brought Nolan back to the NHL when no club would go near them.
If you are going to blame the owner give him his due because they became successful or got back in the league (Nolan) thanks to him in the first place.
What is a real gm, if we had George McFly in Washington who lost forever and paid Jagr to leave, or the circus in Manhattan for a decade at 600m so Leetch and Richter could finish behind Milbury and Kvasha or the current John Davidson gong show in St Louis who cannot keep his draft pick from getting hurt on the golf course or the circus in Dallas with a co-gm spending 16m on Avery or the Tampa sideshow that is setting new standards for poor judgment?
How about we gm in Colorado who fired Joel Quenneville to bring back Tony Granato and them overpay Sakic to come back and sit on the sidelines with Ryan Smyth and start Peter Budaj in goal.
Are those real general managers?
How about that real gm in Chicago who fired his coach after four games and is a lame duck himself or the one who was an interim in Toronto for a year that Milbury robbed blind for Jonsson and the Luongo pick before the real gm bolted Anaheim?
Lets get a real gm in like Mike Keenan in so he can made a Luongo-like deal after he ran him out of Florida or the brillance of Kevin Lowe who lost 9-2 with Robert Nilsson benched with O'Mara has three points in the AHL. That real gm is about ninety percent out of a job.
I think I can find ten other markets without real gm's too. How about we get the Kings gm Dean Lombardi who already fired Crawford and now has Terry Murray as coach. We could use a ten year rebuild with Jason LaBarbara starting.
Atlanta, Florida, how about we get a real gm like Maloney back in here again like the Gretzky boys have.
That real gm in Minnesota cannot beg borrow or steal enough to convince Gaborik to resign there. The real gm in Pittsburgh could not even keep Hossa with a multiyear contract vs Detroit.
I like Lou Lamoriello also but even he fires coaches in first place and gives six year contracts to Danus Zubrus. ******************************************* You really expected Charles Wang in the sumer of 2002 after spending 130m on contracts the summer before to add even more? He raised ticket prices thirty eight percent that summer and the fans acted like they had to have 2002 payroll at 1985 prices and stopped going immediately.
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