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| Overspeed | Dec 21 2008, 08:27 PM Post #81 |
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2001-2002 Avg Home Attendance according to Espn.com 27 NY Islanders 41 596,498 14,548 2002-2003 Avg Home Attendance according to Espn.com 22 NY Islanders 41 612,154 14,930 Wow looks like those Islander fans stopped showing up in 02-03 due to the ticket prices raise....if less fans mean 16K more and 400 more on the avg. Wang shouldve added to the team. Your assessment of less fans showing up after Summer 02 is dead wrong. Also the team that Neil Smith put together in 1 month was in 6th place, since the Smyth deal, we dropped to 8th, missed playoffs and now are one of the worst teams in the league, how has Snow done? We would be better off if Wang gave Smith a chance. |
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| nyifancentral | Dec 21 2008, 08:43 PM Post #82 |
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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/...rs/0203sked.htm Actually you have to go deeper than fictional Espn attendance links and look at the early season weeknight games. As we all know announced attendance written on paper is not close to what is in the stands. What's next Forbes has real financial records from NHL teams? Not. Only when Islanders announced a lot of ticket plans incentives later after seeing the problems on weeknights early did attendance improve but the start of that season on weeknights was a big problem. Fans saw that thirty eight percent increases and all those people that sold out almost the entire second half on 2001-02 without all the ticket plans cut back. Still, you still expected Charles Wang in a building Smg gets all parking, concessions and even a portion of the gate after spending 130m you wanted more? *********************************************** Neil Smith was given a chance, he was told up front what the management structure would be. Did he expect to take the job and make his own rules? Everyone is just beating down the door for his services. Ted Nolan and the hockey staff got some of those players too. The team Garth Snow had on the ice last season was in sixth place too in January until they started leading the league in man games lost to injury and still railled to win six in a row. They key line that had them in sixth in 06-07-Hilbert-Sillinger-Hunter. Snow resigned Hilbert and Hunter. Sillinger credited Smith with signing here. |
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| Overspeed | Dec 21 2008, 08:52 PM Post #83 |
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Fictional Espn links? http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/attendance?year=2002 Regardless of ticket plans or specials, you said that Islander fans stopped going to the games, which the numbers show you are wrong. And yes I would expect Wang to add to a team that just had a pretty damn good year but lost in 7 games in the first round. How has the team done since then? Its rebuild (01-02), subtract (02-06), rebuild 06-07, subtract 07-08, rebuild with even less 08-09. Wang didnt think twice about signing an unproven goalie for 15 yrs, why would he not want to add to the most successful team of his ownership tenure? Andy Hilbert was first signed on July 4, 2006 by GM Neil Smith. How is that management committee doing since Smith was fired...it doesnt exist anymore. |
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| Craving_the_Cup_Since_1992 | Dec 21 2008, 09:06 PM Post #84 |
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06-07 wasn't a rebuild. It was signing some vets to compete for the cup. DP's contract might turn out to be a hockey godsend considering the insane rising prices of goaltenders who are a tad more proven. I'm not sure why we're discussing the 01-02 Islanders unless we've all gone back in time, and that is the current roster. Ultimately, these comments that Snow hasn't proven his chops are asinine. Read I4C's post, and NYIfancentral since they said it so eloquently. Some people will just continue to make the same idiotic claims. Some seem to LOVE Nolan regardless of his own record. One playoff sneak season, and a second terrible season.... eight years between coaching jobs.... yeah, he's hockey cred. |
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| nyifancentral | Dec 21 2008, 09:19 PM Post #85 |
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I'm sure I can find the 2002 October-November ticket plans announced but look at how much Smg and Nassau County gets from a ticket sale. ************************************************** Two-Minute Drill Alan Hahn July 16, 2002 THE HIGHER PRICE OF WINNING The Islanders this summer decided against reaching deep into their pockets to invest in top-level free agents, yet they're asking their fans to reach a little deeper to pay for tickets next season at Nassau Coliseum. It's caused a bit of a stir, but the price increase is understandable for many reasons. For years the Islanders have had one of the cheapest average ticket prices in the NHL. Last year they had the third-cheapest average at $35 per seat. But then the team put an end to an eight-year playoff drought and finished with the eighth-best overall record in the NHL. So it is time for owners Charles Wang and Sanjay Kumar to cash in on their investments. This year the team expects to be near the league average in ticket prices, which was $48 per seat last season. They also expect to boast a season-ticket base of about 11,000 fans, which would be the most since the early 1990s. But the increase in revenue won't pad the pockets of Wang and Kumar, who despite the team's inactivity in free agency expect to have a $40- million payroll after raises and new contracts are factored in. Remember, thanks to the Coliseum lease, Nassau County and SMG get one- third shares of every ticket sold. -Alan Hahn ****************************************************** |
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| nyifancentral | Dec 21 2008, 09:28 PM Post #86 |
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Early in that 2002-03 season weeknight attendance was struggling again after all the second half sellouts the year before. The Isles had to come out with a bunch of new ticket plans. You can quote fictional Espn links but that does not tell the story of the real attendance that went from most of the second half of 2002 soldout to a lot of padded numbers in 2003. All you have to do is look at the stands in 2008 to know that's the way it is now with reported attendance vs true attendance. |
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| 7th Woman | Dec 21 2008, 09:36 PM Post #87 |
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I was under the impression that reported attendance is "sold" attendance (which may also include comped tickets). and yes, they have always struggled with attendance during the week. |
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| nyifancentral | Dec 21 2008, 09:46 PM Post #88 |
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You expected Charles Wang to spend after Nassau-Smg gets a third of every ticket and takes all parking and concessions after spending 130m? What is this they subtracted from 2002-06? How many restricted free agents were kept as long as possible despite them not winning? They added Niinimaa's contract from Edmonton at a time he was considered a very good player. Rick DiPietro took a contract well below market value for his deal and is a first overall pick. He was their best player against the 03-04 champs in the first round against the playoff MVP and posted a 9.19 save percentage on a terrible 05-06 club. The year after that he again was outstanding and had a solid playoff against Buffalo. Last year he had a team in sixth place that scored two goals or less fourteen games in a row and opened 6-0 against Brodeur who feels DiPietro is one of the top goaltenders in the NHL. ********************************************************* "One of our goals is to provide opportunities to young players that our staff believes have potential and could be ready for a breakout," said Islanders Vice President and general manager Neil Smith. "We believe that Andy Hilbert is such a player." ********************************************************* |
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| EmptyNet | Dec 21 2008, 09:51 PM Post #89 |
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Snow as GM really blew it, starting with the Smyth deal, if he stayed who knows where we'd be right now and if I'd even be writing this post. But that off season, that July 1st has to be one of the worst days in recent Islander history. He failed to retain the mid-level role playing talent that youngsters can grow around. Face it, he screwed the pooch that day letting almost everyone walk (with the big signing of John Sim). As horrible as we felt watching Gomez & Drury go to the rags that day, getting a "consolation" prize of Guerin, Sim, Comrie was even tougher to swallow. He didn't keep a supporting cast of players who overachieved. - Honestly ask yourself, would you ever miss a Tom Poti? It didn't feel like we needed him when he got here, but we sure felt it after he left. I really think we haven't recovered from July 1 2007. |
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| nyifancentral | Dec 21 2008, 09:57 PM Post #90 |
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To be fair I like Ted Nolan and always will. I'm not sure he was right or wrong with his coaching strategy but I do know he sat on a stage with Garth Snow and both of them lied to us about how they can work together. I do know one thing about Garth Snow the gm. He signed Hunter to a great contract considering the rumors he was looking for Hartnell money. He took two million and said this is where he wants to be. He resigned Witt to a contract below market value early and was thrilled because he wants to be here. Martinek resigned a low contract for a very solid defender. His negotiations with Bailey, Okposo, and Nielsen were first class. He locked up Marcinko, Figren, Joensuu, Hillen and a few others. He resigned his NHL prospects this summer seamlessly with classy negotiations (no Milbury name calling) and got Bergenheim's name on a two year deal and got him away from Gandler. He got it right on MacDonald too who has been as good as any goalie in the NHL. A lot of general managers have done worse. Before Charles Wang got here we had to trade away prospects that could not be signed. |
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| nyifancentral | Dec 21 2008, 10:17 PM Post #91 |
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If Smyth stayed considering his injuries and his contract we would be looking at a team going for back to back 30th place finishes. He cannot skate and is an injury waiting to happen. Comrie and Guerin played and produced more last season. Is that mid-level role playing talent he let get away also include Yashin, Kozlov, Asham, Zednik to go with Blake and Poti or Sean Hill? You do realize Poti is a walking injury waiting to happen and that four years for a player like that is a huge risk. How would you like to have Poti instead of Mark Streit on our powerplay? For me Gomez and Drury taking those front-loaded contracts considering neither one can score was a great day for the Islanders. Jagr could not play with them, both of them signed means they cannot sign a real franchise talent for years. It's as bad as the frontloaded contract they gave Redden and Roszival. You are aware the 2007 club got into the playoffs on the final day of the season with an AHL goalie, after Nolan almost played Dunham and the season into oblivion? |
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| 7th Woman | Dec 21 2008, 10:40 PM Post #92 |
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Looks like you know more than ONE thing about Garth the GM. All the GOOD things! |
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| Islander4cups | Dec 21 2008, 11:23 PM Post #93 |
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Why did we drop in the standings? Was it because of the Smyth deal? No. It was because Dunham suddenly forgot how to stop a puck for two weeks while trying to fill in for an injured DP. Let's not overhype what Nolan did or what Smyth did. The Islanders got into the playoff series because of one reason....and it wasn't Dubie. DP's play that season put the Islanders into the 6th spot. When he returned from injury, he won another game or two and then went back on the DL. Dubie's four game run was excellent, but it wouldn't have meant anything if DP hadn't put us in a position we never deserved to be in...within striking distance of the playoffs. We have, since the Toronto series, been a team without a legit first line. Since 05, we've been a team without a legit number one or number two defensemen. Last year we had no legit first line talent or top 3 defense talent...but we were in the race. We had the same senario BEFORE Nolan got here with the Ottawa and TB series as well. So why rain all this praise on Nolan for doing what Sterling and Lavvy managed to do...take teams with less talent but good goaltending into a first round loss? I think Nolan is an ok coach, but I think he's like Keenan in that he wants power within the organization, wants a ton of control, but unlike Keenan he doesn't have the track record to warrant him winning a "power struggle" with a GM. Keenan has taken 3 teams to the finals and *cough* won one. He has clout. Nolan not so much. Also, I think their acts both wear out quickly on their organization and players. Additonally, how did Nolan do without DiPietro in 06 and 07? Were the Isles a playoff team without Rick in net? The Isles were 9-9-1 with Dubie in net last year, so let's not act like Nolan didn't benefit from having DP in net for a season and a half. Gordon hasn't had that luxury. While Joey Mac has played very well in Nov. he's fallen to earth a bit in Dec. |
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| LEDZEP | Dec 21 2008, 11:45 PM Post #94 |
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Sometimes I grow so tired, but I know I've got one thing I got to do... ![]() What puckhead says is Islander law Come in with the milk "A leader, once convinced a particular course of action is the right one, must have the determination to stick with it and be undaunted when the going gets rough." Ronald Reagan | |
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| Overspeed | Dec 21 2008, 11:49 PM Post #95 |
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2007-2008 Dipietro 26-28-7 2007-2008 Dubie 9-9-1 Winning % was better with Dubie |
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| Islander4cups | Dec 22 2008, 02:07 AM Post #96 |
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but yet the Isles were in a playoff place when DP injured his knee at the ASG. After the ASG Rick went 7-11-1 according to nhl.com. That would mean before the injury he was 19-17-6? hmmmmm Meanwhile Dubie wasn't even in shape to play at the beginning of the season. So please spare us. Dubie went 4-6-1 after DP was injured. Let's not forget those two fantastic starts he had to start his season last year...giving up 8 goals to both Toronto and Carolina each. Do you realize Dubie only gave up less than 3 goals in 6 of his 20 games last year? Yeah...he was a real champ. |
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| Islander4cups | Dec 22 2008, 02:12 AM Post #97 |
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06- 2.58gaa 32w 19L 9otL 0.919 % yeah...who would want that on their team. Thanks for reminding me why many of us have this reaction to your posts on DP.Aren't you the same guy who wanted a 10-16-3 3.20 gaa .901% to replace Rick permanently because that is what Joey Mac is right now. |
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| Tinman31 | Dec 22 2008, 02:17 AM Post #98 |
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I4C, I miss DP and stuff too the one thing I will say... It is his job to be good. I mean after all he was the TOP pick in the draft, the first goalie ever taken that high, the longest deal in sports etc. His expectations should be high. I am going to just leave it at that, not saying he is great, isn't great, leaving my opinion of him out of it, but let's remember when we compare him to guys like Joey Mac or Dubie it is out of hand. They traded Luongo and passed on taking Gaborik for him, you know? |
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| nyifancentral | Dec 22 2008, 09:42 AM Post #99 |
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DiPietro has been good, very good, the talent is not there to help him win more. Luongo also has been good, very good. he could not make Florida win and had to be traded, he could not make last years' Canucks a playoff team either. Seems nothing will convince Gaborik to stay in Minnesota at this time. Why would he be resigning here and why would the Islanders want to pay another player with a significant injury? |
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| nyifancentral | Dec 22 2008, 10:07 AM Post #100 |
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Even in 2002 this team did not have a first line beyond Yashin. Going into a playoff series with Kip Miller and AHL callup Trent Hunter making his debut in a game seven is hardly a first line. Kvasha-Czerkawski-Parrish-Bates-Isbister-Scatchard at their absolute best were fringe second line players for a part of a season. Peca at that time was a legit second line player. The way Hamrlik, Aucoin, Niinimaa declined before and after the lockout here I would not consider them first line defenders. Jonsson had moments but never lived up to his potential in the biggest games. A lot of NHL teams do not have standout defenders, just a good mix with chemistry we saw when Tampa and then Carolina won the cup. |
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