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It's not the "system"
Topic Started: Dec 19 2008, 10:51 PM (1,564 Views)
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Islander4cups,Dec 21 2008
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I think Garth chose to do a rebuild because he has no choice. If he was committed to a rebuild he would have got rid of Satan, Blake and Fedotenko at the deadline last year for picks. Since he didn't, he then went and traded our top draft pick for more picks because he made a big mistake there by not picking up the extra picks.

He traded Zhitnik well before the deadline two years prior for a guy he eventually waived than gave an extention too (Meyer). Philly traded Zhitnik at the deadline for Braydon Coburn..owned!

He traded Denis Grebeshkov for MAB

I don't mind the Smyth trade all that much.

These 3 are by far the 3 worst things he has done as GM. He has already set us back a few years, not inlcuding the Smyth trade.

The positive things he has supposedly done no one knows yet.

Garth has been beyond terrible IMO.


I think Garth chose to do a rebuild because he had no choice. If he was committed to a rebuild he would have got rid of Satan, Fedotenko ect.. at the deadline last year (when we were heading downhill and sucked) for picks. Since he didn't, he then went and traded our top draft pick (Nikita Filatov or Luke Schenn) for more picks because he made a big mistake there by not picking up the extra picks.

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He traded Zhitnik well before the deadline two years prior for a guy he eventually waived than gave an extension too (Meyer). Philly traded Zhitnik at the deadline for Braydon Coburn..owned!...

I don't mind the Smyth trade all that much, but it turned out to be a big mistake.


The Zhitnik deal is what opened up cap space to make the Smyth deal. While the Flyers got Coburn for Zhitnik. We got Smyth for Zhitnik and what we gave Edmonton. You might think the Smyth deal was a mistake, but I don't. Snow had a team at the moment that was in 6th place in the east and climbing the standings and playing some of the best hockey in the east at the time of the trade. The trade didn't work out. The Isles suffered injuries right after it, but any GM will tell you that when you have a chance to get a guy like Smyth, you do it. Besides, Pitt made a similar deal last year for Hossa...didn't win the cup and didn't keep Hossa. Was it the wrong deal?

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He traded Denis Grebeshkov for MAB
Yes, he traded a guy who WOULDN'T sign a contract with the Islanders and got something for him. How terrible is that!!!! Trading a 5th defensemen (possibly if he develops) and getting a guy like MAB in return.

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These 3 are by far the 3 worst things he has done as GM. He has already set us back a few years, not including the Smyth trade. If you want to throw in the Nokie trade, the Zednik for a 2nd and not trading Blake at the deadline the year prior than fine.

Are you kidding? How was the Nokie trade a bad trade? We are getting Boston's 2nd round pick this year for a kid with a bum knee who will never be more than a 4th line center....AND WAS A TERRIBLE FIRST ROUND PICK BY MILBURY.

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The positive things he has supposedly done no one knows yet.

Garth has been beyond terrible IMO.

He has done nothing but set us back like Milbury has done. We need a real GM.


Betting rid of guys like Nokie, Nillsen, Grebeshkov was doing nothing more than getting rid of dead weight. The fact that Snow got more than a bag of pucks for any of them was a miracle.

The idea that Snow has "set the Islanders back" is laughable. They were in a poor state thanks to MM when he took over and has begun restocking the org. with prospects. That is something MM never did.

It is easy to play monday morning qb with the Smyth deal, but I'm telling you now, O'Mara is the only one of those players who might turn into someone decent in the nhl. That was a good trade that didn't work out. And based upon Smyth breaking down last year, perhaps it is a good thing we didn't sign him.

With Zhitnik and Atlanta, there was no way to see that Atlanta's GM wanted to get good young talent out of ATL that badly with the moronic trades he made at the deadline with Philly and STL. You've got to give Homgren credit for basically raiding both Nashville and Atlanta all in the same week, but those were deals 29 other GM's didn't make so to just get on Snow about it is a bit hypocritical. Who knew Waddel didn't want any young talent in Atlanta anymore.

You only make those Smyth type trades if you can contend for a Cup. WE WERE NOT EVEN IN A PLAYOFF SPOT AT THE TIME(or close to it, cant remember) when the trade was made and were only an 8th seed. You can't compare Pitt and Hossa to NYI and Smyth, they're not fair assessments considering Hossa was obviously that missing piece to a Cup run.

So Garth knew well before acquiring Smyth he was going to acquire a big name months down the road. It's a scary thought as a fan consider how pre-meditated it was. What's the real reasoning behind it?

Grebeshkov is already a 2nd pairing D-man in Edmonton and playing extremely well. He has top pairing potential, just ask Oilers fans.

And I never said the Nokie trade was terrible, I was just saying. But Nokie still has upside while Walter is a career AHL'er.

It's another case of Snow cleaning out all of Milbury's picks. He wants to build this thing himself. Probably an ego thing.
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You only make those Smyth type trades if you can contend for a Cup. WE WERE NOT EVEN IN A PLAYOFF SPOT AT THE TIME(or close to it, cant remember) when the trade was made and were only an 8th seed. You can't compare Pitt and Hossa to NYI and Smyth, they're not fair assessments considering Hossa was obviously that missing piece to a Cup run.

So Garth knew well before acquiring Smyth he was going to acquire a big name months down the road. It's a scary thought as a fan consider how pre-meditated it was. What's the real reasoning behind it?

Snow made it clear at the time of the Zhitnik deal it was to clear cap space to make a move at the deadline. In fact, he had been saying throughout the leadup to the deadline that the Isles would be "buyers not sellers". So where your little conspiracy theory is coming from I have no idea. Others on this board can verify that fact.

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Grebeshkov is already a 2nd pairing D-man in Edmonton and playing extremely well. He has top pairing potential, just ask Oilers fans.

And I never said the Nokie trade was terrible, I was just saying. But Nokie still has upside while Walter is a career AHL'er.

What does that mean?
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It's another case of Snow cleaning out all of Milbury's picks. He wants to build this thing himself. Probably an ego thing.


An "ego" thing. WTF are you talking about? WTF has Nokie done in Boston? Nothing. WTF has Nillsen done in Edmonton??? Nothing. Grebeshkov (not an Isles draft pick btw) WOULDN'T SIGN WITH US. He even stayed in Russia rather than play for us. Grebeschkov does NOT have top D pairing potential. WGAF what Oilers fans say. These are the same twits who go on about how "Smyth left us" even though he had taken less to stay there for two previous contracts and their GM later admitted he should have resigned Smyth rather than deal him to us. Who says that if they are thrilled with what they got from us? These are the same idiot fans who go on and on about Nylander and Comrie "being malcontents" and filling the internet with rumors about Comrie nailing his goalie's wife. Because FANS think Grebeshkov is a future top 2 dman, it must be so? Gimme a break.

As far as the SMyth trade goes, you are right...you don't remember the circumstances. The Islanders were a point out of 5th place and had just played a great month of hockey and were one of the hottest teams in the league at the trade deadline. We were not out of the playoffs at the time of the trade. We were not in 8th place. In fact, we led the Rangers and were a point behind the Pens for the 5th spot.

In addition to Walter, we also got Boston's second round pick this year...which means we got a chance to get a talented player this year if we draft well, as we did last year. Nokie was taken in the top 20 of his draft which was way overvalued. He wasn't even rated a first round pick, but MM took him in the first round. Same with Nilssen and Bergie.

I don't know what this nonsense about "ego" is, but it is certainly nonsense. If it was "Snow's ego", why wasn't Nilssen playing under Nolan? If it was Snow's ego, why didn't Grebeshkov sign with us instead of play in Russia?

And as for the Hossa deal...it is the same thing. The Isles gave up O'Mara, Nilssen and our first round pick for Smyth. We didn't resign him and we didn't win the cup. Pitt gave up Angelo Esposito, Colby Armstrong, Erik Christensen and a first-round draft pick...to have Hossa for less than 200 days...and they didn't win the cup either or resign Hossa. Now, if you want to make the argument that the Pens were closer to the cup than the Isles were at the time of those trades...fine. First in the east is closer than a point out of fifth in the east. But the Isles gave up mostly dead weight in Nilssen. The Pens gave up some young talent in Christiansen and Armstrong that were proven at the nhl level already. Don't try to paint it as an "its bad because we did it, but fine that they did it" when it got the same results and they gave up more than we did.
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You only make those Smyth type trades if you can contend for a Cup. WE WERE NOT EVEN IN A PLAYOFF SPOT AT THE TIME(or close to it, cant remember) when the trade was made and were only an 8th seed. You can't compare Pitt and Hossa to NYI and Smyth, they're not fair assessments considering Hossa was obviously that missing piece to a Cup run.

So Garth knew well before acquiring Smyth he was going to acquire a big name months down the road. It's a scary thought as a fan consider how pre-meditated it was. What's the real reasoning behind it?

Snow made it clear at the time of the Zhitnik deal it was to clear cap space to make a move at the deadline. In fact, he had been saying throughout the leadup to the deadline that the Isles would be "buyers not sellers". So where your little conspiracy theory is coming from I have no idea. Others on this board can verify that fact.

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Grebeshkov is already a 2nd pairing D-man in Edmonton and playing extremely well. He has top pairing potential, just ask Oilers fans.

And I never said the Nokie trade was terrible, I was just saying. But Nokie still has upside while Walter is a career AHL'er.

What does that mean?
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It's another case of Snow cleaning out all of Milbury's picks. He wants to build this thing himself. Probably an ego thing.


An "ego" thing. WTF are you talking about? WTF has Nokie done in Boston? Nothing. WTF has Nillsen done in Edmonton??? Nothing. Grebeshkov (not an Isles draft pick btw) WOULDN'T SIGN WITH US. He even stayed in Russia rather than play for us. Grebeschkov does NOT have top D pairing potential. WGAF what Oilers fans say. These are the same twits who go on about how "Smyth left us" even though he had taken less to stay there for two previous contracts and their GM later admitted he should have resigned Smyth rather than deal him to us. Who says that if they are thrilled with what they got from us? These are the same idiot fans who go on and on about Nylander and Comrie "being malcontents" and filling the internet with rumors about Comrie nailing his goalie's wife. Because FANS think Grebeshkov is a future top 2 dman, it must be so? Gimme a break.

As far as the SMyth trade goes, you are right...you don't remember the circumstances. The Islanders were a point out of 5th place and had just played a great month of hockey and were one of the hottest teams in the league at the trade deadline. We were not out of the playoffs at the time of the trade. We were not in 8th place. In fact, we led the Rangers and were a point behind the Pens for the 5th spot.

In addition to Walter, we also got Boston's second round pick this year...which means we got a chance to get a talented player this year if we draft well, as we did last year. Nokie was taken in the top 20 of his draft which was way overvalued. He wasn't even rated a first round pick, but MM took him in the first round. Same with Nilssen and Bergie.

I don't know what this nonsense about "ego" is, but it is certainly nonsense. If it was "Snow's ego", why wasn't Nilssen playing under Nolan? If it was Snow's ego, why didn't Grebeshkov sign with us instead of play in Russia?

And as for the Hossa deal...it is the same thing. The Isles gave up O'Mara, Nilssen and our first round pick for Smyth. We didn't resign him and we didn't win the cup. Pitt gave up Angelo Esposito, Colby Armstrong, Erik Christensen and a first-round draft pick...to have Hossa for less than 200 days...and they didn't win the cup either or resign Hossa. Now, if you want to make the argument that the Pens were closer to the cup than the Isles were at the time of those trades...fine. First in the east is closer than a point out of fifth in the east. But the Isles gave up mostly dead weight in Nilssen. The Pens gave up some young talent in Christiansen and Armstrong that were proven at the nhl level already. Don't try to paint it as an "its bad because we did it, but fine that they did it" when it got the same results and they gave up more than we did.

Snow's cleaning out Milbury's picks because Milbury's picks were garbage.

If they had been any good, Milbury would have traded them himself.
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You only make those Smyth type trades if you can contend for a Cup. WE WERE NOT EVEN IN A PLAYOFF SPOT AT THE TIME(or close to it, cant remember) when the trade was made and were only an 8th seed. You can't compare Pitt and Hossa to NYI and Smyth, they're not fair assessments considering Hossa was obviously that missing piece to a Cup run.

So Garth knew well before acquiring Smyth he was going to acquire a big name months down the road. It's a scary thought as a fan consider how pre-meditated it was. What's the real reasoning behind it?

Snow made it clear at the time of the Zhitnik deal it was to clear cap space to make a move at the deadline. In fact, he had been saying throughout the leadup to the deadline that the Isles would be "buyers not sellers". So where your little conspiracy theory is coming from I have no idea. Others on this board can verify that fact.

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Grebeshkov is already a 2nd pairing D-man in Edmonton and playing extremely well. He has top pairing potential, just ask Oilers fans.

And I never said the Nokie trade was terrible, I was just saying. But Nokie still has upside while Walter is a career AHL'er.

What does that mean?
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It's another case of Snow cleaning out all of Milbury's picks. He wants to build this thing himself. Probably an ego thing.


An "ego" thing. WTF are you talking about? WTF has Nokie done in Boston? Nothing. WTF has Nillsen done in Edmonton??? Nothing. Grebeshkov (not an Isles draft pick btw) WOULDN'T SIGN WITH US. He even stayed in Russia rather than play for us. Grebeschkov does NOT have top D pairing potential. WGAF what Oilers fans say. These are the same twits who go on about how "Smyth left us" even though he had taken less to stay there for two previous contracts and their GM later admitted he should have resigned Smyth rather than deal him to us. Who says that if they are thrilled with what they got from us? These are the same idiot fans who go on and on about Nylander and Comrie "being malcontents" and filling the internet with rumors about Comrie nailing his goalie's wife. Because FANS think Grebeshkov is a future top 2 dman, it must be so? Gimme a break.

As far as the SMyth trade goes, you are right...you don't remember the circumstances. The Islanders were a point out of 5th place and had just played a great month of hockey and were one of the hottest teams in the league at the trade deadline. We were not out of the playoffs at the time of the trade. We were not in 8th place. In fact, we led the Rangers and were a point behind the Pens for the 5th spot.

In addition to Walter, we also got Boston's second round pick this year...which means we got a chance to get a talented player this year if we draft well, as we did last year. Nokie was taken in the top 20 of his draft which was way overvalued. He wasn't even rated a first round pick, but MM took him in the first round. Same with Nilssen and Bergie.

I don't know what this nonsense about "ego" is, but it is certainly nonsense. If it was "Snow's ego", why wasn't Nilssen playing under Nolan? If it was Snow's ego, why didn't Grebeshkov sign with us instead of play in Russia?

And as for the Hossa deal...it is the same thing. The Isles gave up O'Mara, Nilssen and our first round pick for Smyth. We didn't resign him and we didn't win the cup. Pitt gave up Angelo Esposito, Colby Armstrong, Erik Christensen and a first-round draft pick...to have Hossa for less than 200 days...and they didn't win the cup either or resign Hossa. Now, if you want to make the argument that the Pens were closer to the cup than the Isles were at the time of those trades...fine. First in the east is closer than a point out of fifth in the east. But the Isles gave up mostly dead weight in Nilssen. The Pens gave up some young talent in Christiansen and Armstrong that were proven at the nhl level already. Don't try to paint it as an "its bad because we did it, but fine that they did it" when it got the same results and they gave up more than we did.

What if we're in last place by the trade deadline? That's what I'm saying. Why clear out cap space 2 months earlier when you have no idea what position you'll be in 2 months down the road. This leads me to believe the clearing was done for another reason and the excuse you're saying what Garth said is just that, an excuse.

And who ever said Grebs wouldn't sign here? I heard he didn't want a 1 year deal, he was looking for a few years which the Isles were not offering. And I watch Denis, he is a legit D-man, by far the best the Isles would have right now.

And no one knows if Nilsson and the others are dead weight yet. Nilsson is extremely talented, just lazy, but has 60 point potential, he needs to find the right coaching. So yeah, definitely not a throw away.

And again, you only make those big deals if you can make a run at the cup. We were 3-4 players away from that before the Smyth deal. You can keep saying the prospects were throw aways, but because of those supposedly throw aways, the results are upset Isles fans because our GM trades our top pick for lower picks to refill the farm system.

You seem to me the type that feeds into to what the NYI media wants you to believe.

And I'm not gonna keep going back and forth with this repetitive discussion. You believe and see what you want to believe, and I'll do the same.
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You only make those Smyth type trades if you can contend for a Cup. WE WERE NOT EVEN IN A PLAYOFF SPOT AT THE TIME(or close to it, cant remember) when the trade was made and were only an 8th seed. You can't compare Pitt and Hossa to NYI and Smyth, they're not fair assessments considering Hossa was obviously that missing piece to a Cup run.

So Garth knew well before acquiring Smyth he was going to acquire a big name months down the road. It's a scary thought as a fan consider how pre-meditated it was. What's the real reasoning behind it?

Snow made it clear at the time of the Zhitnik deal it was to clear cap space to make a move at the deadline. In fact, he had been saying throughout the leadup to the deadline that the Isles would be "buyers not sellers". So where your little conspiracy theory is coming from I have no idea. Others on this board can verify that fact.

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Grebeshkov is already a 2nd pairing D-man in Edmonton and playing extremely well. He has top pairing potential, just ask Oilers fans.

And I never said the Nokie trade was terrible, I was just saying. But Nokie still has upside while Walter is a career AHL'er.

What does that mean?
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It's another case of Snow cleaning out all of Milbury's picks. He wants to build this thing himself. Probably an ego thing.


An "ego" thing. WTF are you talking about? WTF has Nokie done in Boston? Nothing. WTF has Nillsen done in Edmonton??? Nothing. Grebeshkov (not an Isles draft pick btw) WOULDN'T SIGN WITH US. He even stayed in Russia rather than play for us. Grebeschkov does NOT have top D pairing potential. WGAF what Oilers fans say. These are the same twits who go on about how "Smyth left us" even though he had taken less to stay there for two previous contracts and their GM later admitted he should have resigned Smyth rather than deal him to us. Who says that if they are thrilled with what they got from us? These are the same idiot fans who go on and on about Nylander and Comrie "being malcontents" and filling the internet with rumors about Comrie nailing his goalie's wife. Because FANS think Grebeshkov is a future top 2 dman, it must be so? Gimme a break.

As far as the SMyth trade goes, you are right...you don't remember the circumstances. The Islanders were a point out of 5th place and had just played a great month of hockey and were one of the hottest teams in the league at the trade deadline. We were not out of the playoffs at the time of the trade. We were not in 8th place. In fact, we led the Rangers and were a point behind the Pens for the 5th spot.

In addition to Walter, we also got Boston's second round pick this year...which means we got a chance to get a talented player this year if we draft well, as we did last year. Nokie was taken in the top 20 of his draft which was way overvalued. He wasn't even rated a first round pick, but MM took him in the first round. Same with Nilssen and Bergie.

I don't know what this nonsense about "ego" is, but it is certainly nonsense. If it was "Snow's ego", why wasn't Nilssen playing under Nolan? If it was Snow's ego, why didn't Grebeshkov sign with us instead of play in Russia?

And as for the Hossa deal...it is the same thing. The Isles gave up O'Mara, Nilssen and our first round pick for Smyth. We didn't resign him and we didn't win the cup. Pitt gave up Angelo Esposito, Colby Armstrong, Erik Christensen and a first-round draft pick...to have Hossa for less than 200 days...and they didn't win the cup either or resign Hossa. Now, if you want to make the argument that the Pens were closer to the cup than the Isles were at the time of those trades...fine. First in the east is closer than a point out of fifth in the east. But the Isles gave up mostly dead weight in Nilssen. The Pens gave up some young talent in Christiansen and Armstrong that were proven at the nhl level already. Don't try to paint it as an "its bad because we did it, but fine that they did it" when it got the same results and they gave up more than we did.

Snow's cleaning out Milbury's picks because Milbury's picks were garbage.

If they had been any good, Milbury would have traded them himself.

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You only make those Smyth type trades if you can contend for a Cup. WE WERE NOT EVEN IN A PLAYOFF SPOT AT THE TIME(or close to it, cant remember) when the trade was made and were only an 8th seed. You can't compare Pitt and Hossa to NYI and Smyth, they're not fair assessments considering Hossa was obviously that missing piece to a Cup run.

So Garth knew well before acquiring Smyth he was going to acquire a big name months down the road. It's a scary thought as a fan consider how pre-meditated it was. What's the real reasoning behind it?

Snow made it clear at the time of the Zhitnik deal it was to clear cap space to make a move at the deadline. In fact, he had been saying throughout the leadup to the deadline that the Isles would be "buyers not sellers". So where your little conspiracy theory is coming from I have no idea. Others on this board can verify that fact.

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Grebeshkov is already a 2nd pairing D-man in Edmonton and playing extremely well. He has top pairing potential, just ask Oilers fans.

And I never said the Nokie trade was terrible, I was just saying. But Nokie still has upside while Walter is a career AHL'er.

What does that mean?
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It's another case of Snow cleaning out all of Milbury's picks. He wants to build this thing himself. Probably an ego thing.


An "ego" thing. WTF are you talking about? WTF has Nokie done in Boston? Nothing. WTF has Nillsen done in Edmonton??? Nothing. Grebeshkov (not an Isles draft pick btw) WOULDN'T SIGN WITH US. He even stayed in Russia rather than play for us. Grebeschkov does NOT have top D pairing potential. WGAF what Oilers fans say. These are the same twits who go on about how "Smyth left us" even though he had taken less to stay there for two previous contracts and their GM later admitted he should have resigned Smyth rather than deal him to us. Who says that if they are thrilled with what they got from us? These are the same idiot fans who go on and on about Nylander and Comrie "being malcontents" and filling the internet with rumors about Comrie nailing his goalie's wife. Because FANS think Grebeshkov is a future top 2 dman, it must be so? Gimme a break.

As far as the SMyth trade goes, you are right...you don't remember the circumstances. The Islanders were a point out of 5th place and had just played a great month of hockey and were one of the hottest teams in the league at the trade deadline. We were not out of the playoffs at the time of the trade. We were not in 8th place. In fact, we led the Rangers and were a point behind the Pens for the 5th spot.

In addition to Walter, we also got Boston's second round pick this year...which means we got a chance to get a talented player this year if we draft well, as we did last year. Nokie was taken in the top 20 of his draft which was way overvalued. He wasn't even rated a first round pick, but MM took him in the first round. Same with Nilssen and Bergie.

I don't know what this nonsense about "ego" is, but it is certainly nonsense. If it was "Snow's ego", why wasn't Nilssen playing under Nolan? If it was Snow's ego, why didn't Grebeshkov sign with us instead of play in Russia?

And as for the Hossa deal...it is the same thing. The Isles gave up O'Mara, Nilssen and our first round pick for Smyth. We didn't resign him and we didn't win the cup. Pitt gave up Angelo Esposito, Colby Armstrong, Erik Christensen and a first-round draft pick...to have Hossa for less than 200 days...and they didn't win the cup either or resign Hossa. Now, if you want to make the argument that the Pens were closer to the cup than the Isles were at the time of those trades...fine. First in the east is closer than a point out of fifth in the east. But the Isles gave up mostly dead weight in Nilssen. The Pens gave up some young talent in Christiansen and Armstrong that were proven at the nhl level already. Don't try to paint it as an "its bad because we did it, but fine that they did it" when it got the same results and they gave up more than we did.

What if we're in last place by the trade deadline? That's what I'm saying. Why clear out cap space 2 months earlier when you have no idea what position you'll be in 2 months down the road. This leads me to believe the clearing was done for another reason and the excuse you're saying what Garth said is just that, an excuse.

And who ever said Grebs wouldn't sign here? I heard he didn't want a 1 year deal, he was looking for a few years which the Isles were not offering. And I watch Denis, he is a legit D-man, by far the best the Isles would have right now.

And no one knows if Nilsson and the others are dead weight yet. Nilsson is extremely talented, just lazy, but has 60 point potential, he needs to find the right coaching. So yeah, definitely not a throw away.

And again, you only make those big deals if you can make a run at the cup. We were 3-4 players away from that before the Smyth deal. You can keep saying the prospects were throw aways, but because of those supposedly throw aways, the results are upset Isles fans because our GM trades our top pick for lower picks to refill the farm system.

You seem to me the type that feeds into to what the NYI media wants you to believe.

And I'm not gonna keep going back and forth with this repetitive discussion. You believe and see what you want to believe, and I'll do the same.

But we weren't in last place by the trade deadline. If we were, I'm sure we would have moved Jason Blake and gotten prospects or picks or both.

You can keep coming up with all the hypotheticals you want. They don't matter. We weren't in any danger of missing the playoffs at the time of the Zhitnik deal. Nor were we in that danger at the deadline with the Smyth deal.

I seem to remember Atlanta making two deals like that...one for Zhitnik and one for Keith T. Why aren't you killing for WAddel to lose his job?

Grebeshkov didn't sign here, turned down two offers from the Isles...one before the season ended. You went from "top 2 defensemen" to being a "legit defensemen". Nice downgrade in one post.

I'm not simply buying what the Isles are selling, but I have seen enough rebuilds from the Isles and others to have an idea of how its done. I also don't make blind statements that ignore the facts with ridiculous hypotheticals. "What if the Isles were in last place at the deadline". Well, what if Buffalo's team bus was hit by a ufo on the way to NVMC?

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And if you remember I4cup, Garth admitted he was trying land Guerin that year. The Smyth trade was on Edmonton's part in a last second panic from both sides.

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And no one knows if Nilsson and the others are dead weight yet. Nilsson is extremely talented, just lazy, but has 60 point potential, he needs to find the right coaching. So yeah, definitely not a throw away.

really? That is why he's been demoted by MacTavish in Edmonton THREE TIMES last year, twice in the two months of the season he was traded. I guess both Nolan AND MacTavish aren't the coach for him? So who or what is "the right coaching"?

60 point potential.....don't they say the same thing about Tambellini? Look how great that's turning out.

Sometimes players don't reach that "potential" because they are overestimated. Besides, everyone knows the Isles should have never drafted Nilssen in the first place.
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You only make those Smyth type trades if you can contend for a Cup. WE WERE NOT EVEN IN A PLAYOFF SPOT AT THE TIME(or close to it, cant remember) when the trade was made and were only an 8th seed. You can't compare Pitt and Hossa to NYI and Smyth, they're not fair assessments considering Hossa was obviously that missing piece to a Cup run.

So Garth knew well before acquiring Smyth he was going to acquire a big name months down the road. It's a scary thought as a fan consider how pre-meditated it was. What's the real reasoning behind it?

Snow made it clear at the time of the Zhitnik deal it was to clear cap space to make a move at the deadline. In fact, he had been saying throughout the leadup to the deadline that the Isles would be "buyers not sellers". So where your little conspiracy theory is coming from I have no idea. Others on this board can verify that fact.

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Grebeshkov is already a 2nd pairing D-man in Edmonton and playing extremely well. He has top pairing potential, just ask Oilers fans.

And I never said the Nokie trade was terrible, I was just saying. But Nokie still has upside while Walter is a career AHL'er.

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It's another case of Snow cleaning out all of Milbury's picks. He wants to build this thing himself. Probably an ego thing.


An "ego" thing. WTF are you talking about? WTF has Nokie done in Boston? Nothing. WTF has Nillsen done in Edmonton??? Nothing. Grebeshkov (not an Isles draft pick btw) WOULDN'T SIGN WITH US. He even stayed in Russia rather than play for us. Grebeschkov does NOT have top D pairing potential. WGAF what Oilers fans say. These are the same twits who go on about how "Smyth left us" even though he had taken less to stay there for two previous contracts and their GM later admitted he should have resigned Smyth rather than deal him to us. Who says that if they are thrilled with what they got from us? These are the same idiot fans who go on and on about Nylander and Comrie "being malcontents" and filling the internet with rumors about Comrie nailing his goalie's wife. Because FANS think Grebeshkov is a future top 2 dman, it must be so? Gimme a break.

As far as the SMyth trade goes, you are right...you don't remember the circumstances. The Islanders were a point out of 5th place and had just played a great month of hockey and were one of the hottest teams in the league at the trade deadline. We were not out of the playoffs at the time of the trade. We were not in 8th place. In fact, we led the Rangers and were a point behind the Pens for the 5th spot.

In addition to Walter, we also got Boston's second round pick this year...which means we got a chance to get a talented player this year if we draft well, as we did last year. Nokie was taken in the top 20 of his draft which was way overvalued. He wasn't even rated a first round pick, but MM took him in the first round. Same with Nilssen and Bergie.

I don't know what this nonsense about "ego" is, but it is certainly nonsense. If it was "Snow's ego", why wasn't Nilssen playing under Nolan? If it was Snow's ego, why didn't Grebeshkov sign with us instead of play in Russia?

And as for the Hossa deal...it is the same thing. The Isles gave up O'Mara, Nilssen and our first round pick for Smyth. We didn't resign him and we didn't win the cup. Pitt gave up Angelo Esposito, Colby Armstrong, Erik Christensen and a first-round draft pick...to have Hossa for less than 200 days...and they didn't win the cup either or resign Hossa. Now, if you want to make the argument that the Pens were closer to the cup than the Isles were at the time of those trades...fine. First in the east is closer than a point out of fifth in the east. But the Isles gave up mostly dead weight in Nilssen. The Pens gave up some young talent in Christiansen and Armstrong that were proven at the nhl level already. Don't try to paint it as an "its bad because we did it, but fine that they did it" when it got the same results and they gave up more than we did.

What if we're in last place by the trade deadline? That's what I'm saying. Why clear out cap space 2 months earlier when you have no idea what position you'll be in 2 months down the road. This leads me to believe the clearing was done for another reason and the excuse you're saying what Garth said is just that, an excuse.

And who ever said Grebs wouldn't sign here? I heard he didn't want a 1 year deal, he was looking for a few years which the Isles were not offering. And I watch Denis, he is a legit D-man, by far the best the Isles would have right now.

And no one knows if Nilsson and the others are dead weight yet. Nilsson is extremely talented, just lazy, but has 60 point potential, he needs to find the right coaching. So yeah, definitely not a throw away.

And again, you only make those big deals if you can make a run at the cup. We were 3-4 players away from that before the Smyth deal. You can keep saying the prospects were throw aways, but because of those supposedly throw aways, the results are upset Isles fans because our GM trades our top pick for lower picks to refill the farm system.

You seem to me the type that feeds into to what the NYI media wants you to believe.

And I'm not gonna keep going back and forth with this repetitive discussion. You believe and see what you want to believe, and I'll do the same.

But we weren't in last place by the trade deadline. If we were, I'm sure we would have moved Jason Blake and gotten prospects or picks or both.

You can keep coming up with all the hypotheticals you want. They don't matter. We weren't in any danger of missing the playoffs at the time of the Zhitnik deal. Nor were we in that danger at the deadline with the Smyth deal.

I seem to remember Atlanta making two deals like that...one for Zhitnik and one for Keith T. Why aren't you killing for WAddel to lose his job?

Grebeshkov didn't sign here, turned down two offers from the Isles...one before the season ended. You went from "top 2 defensemen" to being a "legit defensemen". Nice downgrade in one post.

I'm not simply buying what the Isles are selling, but I have seen enough rebuilds from the Isles and others to have an idea of how its done. I also don't make blind statements that ignore the facts with ridiculous hypotheticals. "What if the Isles were in last place at the deadline". Well, what if Buffalo's team bus was hit by a ufo on the way to NVMC?

You don't just go and clear cap space 2 months before your "supposed deal" for the hell of it, especially when you're ridding of your top D-man for a no name at the time. We got LUCKY we were in the position we were in to even make a move 2 months down the road. What don't you understand here? It's a pre-meditated move making me believe no matter what, the Isles were making a move with no exact plans, even if it wasn't for the guy they wanted. (i.e Smyth instead of Guerin). It was a move to just to make a move.

No one said what Waddel did was right, he is just as smart as Garth IMO. Or are you trying to compare another GM's move to help justify your point :letssee:
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And no one knows if Nilsson and the others are dead weight yet. Nilsson is extremely talented, just lazy, but has 60 point potential, he needs to find the right coaching. So yeah, definitely not a throw away.

really? That is why he's been demoted by MacTavish in Edmonton THREE TIMES last year, twice in the two months of the season he was traded. I guess both Nolan AND MacTavish aren't the coach for him? So who or what is "the right coaching"?

60 point potential.....don't they say the same thing about Tambellini? Look how great that's turning out.

Sometimes players don't reach that "potential" because they are overestimated. Besides, everyone knows the Isles should have never drafted Nilssen in the first place.

Who in their right mind said Tambellini had 60 point potential :blink: Nilsson was scouted up to par to with the Sedins.

And before I said Grebs was a legit D-man, which is right. Prior to all of this I said he has the UPSIDE of a top pairing D-man. No downgrade.

I'm done in this thread. All I keep doing is repeating myself and it's getting annoying.
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And no one knows if Nilsson and the others are dead weight yet. Nilsson is extremely talented, just lazy, but has 60 point potential, he needs to find the right coaching. So yeah, definitely not a throw away.

really? That is why he's been demoted by MacTavish in Edmonton THREE TIMES last year, twice in the two months of the season he was traded. I guess both Nolan AND MacTavish aren't the coach for him? So who or what is "the right coaching"?

60 point potential.....don't they say the same thing about Tambellini? Look how great that's turning out.

Sometimes players don't reach that "potential" because they are overestimated. Besides, everyone knows the Isles should have never drafted Nilssen in the first place.

Who in their right mind said Tambellini had 60 point potential :blink: Nilsson was scouted up to par to with the Sedins.

And before I said Grebs was a legit D-man, which is right. Prior to all of this I said he has the UPSIDE of a top pairing D-man. No downgrade.

I'm done in this thread. All I keep doing is repeating myself and it's getting annoying.

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And no one knows if Nilsson and the others are dead weight yet. Nilsson is extremely talented, just lazy, but has 60 point potential, he needs to find the right coaching. So yeah, definitely not a throw away.

really? That is why he's been demoted by MacTavish in Edmonton THREE TIMES last year, twice in the two months of the season he was traded. I guess both Nolan AND MacTavish aren't the coach for him? So who or what is "the right coaching"?

60 point potential.....don't they say the same thing about Tambellini? Look how great that's turning out.

Sometimes players don't reach that "potential" because they are overestimated. Besides, everyone knows the Isles should have never drafted Nilssen in the first place.

Who in their right mind said Tambellini had 60 point potential :blink: Nilsson was scouted up to par to with the Sedins.

And before I said Grebs was a legit D-man, which is right. Prior to all of this I said he has the UPSIDE of a top pairing D-man. No downgrade.

I'm done in this thread. All I keep doing is repeating myself and it's getting annoying.

Tambellini has 60 point potential :punk: :punk: :punk: :punk:

He said who in their RIGHT mind.
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And no one knows if Nilsson and the others are dead weight yet. Nilsson is extremely talented, just lazy, but has 60 point potential, he needs to find the right coaching. So yeah, definitely not a throw away.

really? That is why he's been demoted by MacTavish in Edmonton THREE TIMES last year, twice in the two months of the season he was traded. I guess both Nolan AND MacTavish aren't the coach for him? So who or what is "the right coaching"?

60 point potential.....don't they say the same thing about Tambellini? Look how great that's turning out.

Sometimes players don't reach that "potential" because they are overestimated. Besides, everyone knows the Isles should have never drafted Nilssen in the first place.

Who in their right mind said Tambellini had 60 point potential :blink: Nilsson was scouted up to par to with the Sedins.

And before I said Grebs was a legit D-man, which is right. Prior to all of this I said he has the UPSIDE of a top pairing D-man. No downgrade.

I'm done in this thread. All I keep doing is repeating myself and it's getting annoying.

are you just full of @#$% or are you going to re-write history after the fact?

NOBODY had Robert Nilssen rated with the Sedin twins. Otherwise, wtf did the Sedin's go 2 and 3 overall in the draft and we took Nilssen around 18th, despite the fact that every scout was screaming for us to take Zac Parise!!! Yes, a brillant move by MM to take Nilssen, but I guess that is just "Snow's ego" causing MacTavish to send Nilssen to the minors more than 3 times in less than a season and a half.

You're right. You are done with this because you either just make stuff up to fit your ideas or you are ill-informed.
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