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Without DiPietro...
Topic Started: Dec 24 2008, 01:02 PM (1,020 Views)
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OntheIsle,Dec 26 2008
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Let the kids mesh, build through the draft, sign free agents that fill stop gaps until we can get the lighthouse built. Snow has said it numerous times. if your not onboard then go root for the Devils like Knicks fans did with the Nets. Its gonna be a rough and bumpy road like the 90's but we got through it and were able to make the playoffs with the likes of Yashin-Peca-Jonsson-Aucoin-Hamrlik etc. etc. The free agents will come but we need an arena and the kids to produce until then.

As for the Dipietro comments, the guy is elite. When he healthy he makes some of the most phenomonal plays a goalie can make. Before Dipietro got the 15 year contract he was the only player on a good islander time that none hockey fans knew. Why? Because they seen his plays on sportscenter. Give this team 2 years and I promise you they will produce. I say throw all the money in the world at Komisarek because were gonna need to get cap minimum next year anyway. Let Sillinger retire and take a job in the organization. I love Witt and Guerin but they look too old out there, talk to the kids see if these guys really do benefit the team and if they do then let them ride it out for a year or two more. Get the team meshing and good things will come. Bailey is going to be a 15 goal 50 assist player once his hands catch up to him. Okposo with more muscle and experience will net you 25 goals. Comeau is the wildcard that I can see developing nicely if we dont trade him. We must not forget Nielsen who is injured right now and showed flashes of brilliance during our little .500 run. These are just some of the kids. We have Stamkos' Sarnia sting linemates in our system as well. We also got Marjamaki and Figren waiting in the wings. As well as Kiril Petrov who can come over and provide something. Dont forget the defense with Dustin Kohn who is supposed to pan into something nice. Add all that with a inevitable Top 5 pick this draft, and a new arena and I promise you the trades and free agents will follow right after. So Led im sorry just shut up its pathethic you spend your Christmas debating why Dipietro is no good. Its no wonder no one has seen your picture or knows anything about you. Patience folks, Patience is all you need, and good things will come. EXAMPLE: THE CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS...:::END RANT:::

PS: I will be around tonight at the game would like to see all you guys again over at Gate 1

IMO, the team can be built realtively quickly doing the following:

* Trades of veterans such as Sillinger, Comrie, Martinek and Gervais for solid prospects or draft picks. I would keep Guerin, Weight and Witt as veterans to build around. If Tambellini doesn't do it by the deadline, its probably not going to come - at least not here.

* Once they make room at the deadline, they will need to bring in from Bridgeport folks like Joensuu and Oggulden to see if they can perform at this level. Kohn, from what I understand, is a 3rd pairing d-man. I'd be interested to see how folks like Rhakshani do as well.

* Continue to lay Comeau, Bailey (who should have gone to WJC) and Okposo and let them develop together. Actually, I am tempted to try them as a line.

* Then they need to turn the draft into gold. No room for error here. They supposedly did a good job at last year's draft - well, they need to repeat that.

* They need to hit a home run in the off-season. They need to go after Komisarek and promise him the world. Streit was a great pickup this past summer, they need to do it again particularly as Witt slows down.

* If I were Snow, I would visit Russia in the off-season and talk to Petrov. We need to talk to him and explain that another injury like he just recovered from and he may never play in the NHL at all. We need to convince him that he could lose his chance of playing on the big stage by risking another injury in Russia. Assuming transfer agreements are in place, maybe he comes over in a season or two.

* Hope that the Lighthouse Project is at least being built by this time next year and gives the team more momentum on the ice.
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JimC1972,Dec 26 2008
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I just ignore Zep's comments. Sometimes its just dribble and doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

JimC1972 that's funny I do the same on your posts

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Phil the talent on the team a few years ago wasn't great but come on, it isn't comparable to the team now.

Andy Hilbert and Richard Park are first line PP come on.  Plus I know in sports you are supposed to fight through injuries but ours are absurd.  Also if you took the first 20 games of the season and stopped there you could have said Joey MaC had the team in potential for the playoffs.

A few years ago we had a 40 goal scorer, we had some all-stars, had a younger healthier Witt.  Miro had 60 points, Sillinger had 59 points, Kozlov, Yashin was almost a point per game, Poti was real good.  We had TEN guys with double-digit goals and six guys over 50 points.  Last year we didn't have a single guy to crack 50.  Simon was a +17, Martinek a +19. 

Was Rick part of it?  100%, but come on that talent level was through the roof compared to this team.... Dubie went 4-0 for that squad, what does that show you about the team?

Bottom line I know 06-07 wasn't great, but not fair to compare the talent level.  Guys like Meyer and Tambellini couldn't even dress on the squad.

what in the wide world of sports are you talking about?

Dubie went 4-0

BOTTOM LINE:

4-0 is 4-0 :thumbsup:


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You're blinded by your love of dp and it makes you sound silly :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

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Please tell me if you would want this goalie by your standards...
5 nhl seasons
no postseason awards
no all star games
started more than 35 games in only 2 seasons
86 wins in 191 starts in 5 seasons
lifetime 2.95 GAA
15-10 playoff record

Zep... please answer the question I posed earlier. Based upon what was listed above, would you want that goalie as your goalie?




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Tinman31,Dec 26 2008
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Phil the talent on the team a few years ago wasn't great but come on, it isn't comparable to the team now.

Andy Hilbert and Richard Park are first line PP come on.  Plus I know in sports you are supposed to fight through injuries but ours are absurd.  Also if you took the first 20 games of the season and stopped there you could have said Joey MaC had the team in potential for the playoffs.

A few years ago we had a 40 goal scorer, we had some all-stars, had a younger healthier Witt.  Miro had 60 points, Sillinger had 59 points, Kozlov, Yashin was almost a point per game, Poti was real good.  We had TEN guys with double-digit goals and six guys over 50 points.  Last year we didn't have a single guy to crack 50.  Simon was a +17, Martinek a +19. 

Was Rick part of it?  100%, but come on that talent level was through the roof compared to this team.... Dubie went 4-0 for that squad, what does that show you about the team?

Bottom line I know 06-07 wasn't great, but not fair to compare the talent level.  Guys like Meyer and Tambellini couldn't even dress on the squad.

what in the wide world of sports are you talking about?

Dubie went 4-0

BOTTOM LINE:

4-0 is 4-0 :thumbsup:


Joey Joey :applaud: Joey Joey :applaud: Joey Joey :rotflmao:


:santa:

You're blinded by your hatred and it makes you sound silly. :disgraced:

You're blinded by your love of dp and it makes you sound silly :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

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Yep, and tonight just proved it :yea:
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Let the kids mesh, build through the draft, sign free agents that fill stop gaps until we can get the lighthouse built. Snow has said it numerous times. if your not onboard then go root for the Devils like Knicks fans did with the Nets. Its gonna be a rough and bumpy road like the 90's but we got through it and were able to make the playoffs with the likes of Yashin-Peca-Jonsson-Aucoin-Hamrlik etc. etc. The free agents will come but we need an arena and the kids to produce until then.

As for the Dipietro comments, the guy is elite. When he healthy he makes some of the most phenomonal plays a goalie can make. Before Dipietro got the 15 year contract he was the only player on a good islander time that none hockey fans knew. Why? Because they seen his plays on sportscenter. Give this team 2 years and I promise you they will produce. I say throw all the money in the world at Komisarek because were gonna need to get cap minimum next year anyway. Let Sillinger retire and take a job in the organization. I love Witt and Guerin but they look too old out there, talk to the kids see if these guys really do benefit the team and if they do then let them ride it out for a year or two more. Get the team meshing and good things will come. Bailey is going to be a 15 goal 50 assist player once his hands catch up to him. Okposo with more muscle and experience will net you 25 goals. Comeau is the wildcard that I can see developing nicely if we dont trade him. We must not forget Nielsen who is injured right now and showed flashes of brilliance during our little .500 run. These are just some of the kids. We have Stamkos' Sarnia sting linemates in our system as well. We also got Marjamaki and Figren waiting in the wings. As well as Kiril Petrov who can come over and provide something. Dont forget the defense with Dustin Kohn who is supposed to pan into something nice. Add all that with a inevitable Top 5 pick this draft, and a new arena and I promise you the trades and free agents will follow right after. So Led im sorry just shut up its pathethic you spend your Christmas debating why Dipietro is no good. Its no wonder no one has seen your picture or knows anything about you. Patience folks, Patience is all you need, and good things will come. EXAMPLE: THE CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS...:::END RANT:::

PS: I will be around tonight at the game would like to see all you guys again over at Gate 1

IMO, the team can be built realtively quickly doing the following:

* Trades of veterans such as Sillinger, Comrie, Martinek and Gervais for solid prospects or draft picks. I would keep Guerin, Weight and Witt as veterans to build around. If Tambellini doesn't do it by the deadline, its probably not going to come - at least not here.

* Once they make room at the deadline, they will need to bring in from Bridgeport folks like Joensuu and Oggulden to see if they can perform at this level. Kohn, from what I understand, is a 3rd pairing d-man. I'd be interested to see how folks like Rhakshani do as well.

* Continue to lay Comeau, Bailey (who should have gone to WJC) and Okposo and let them develop together. Actually, I am tempted to try them as a line.

* Then they need to turn the draft into gold. No room for error here. They supposedly did a good job at last year's draft - well, they need to repeat that.

* They need to hit a home run in the off-season. They need to go after Komisarek and promise him the world. Streit was a great pickup this past summer, they need to do it again particularly as Witt slows down.

* If I were Snow, I would visit Russia in the off-season and talk to Petrov. We need to talk to him and explain that another injury like he just recovered from and he may never play in the NHL at all. We need to convince him that he could lose his chance of playing on the big stage by risking another injury in Russia. Assuming transfer agreements are in place, maybe he comes over in a season or two.

* Hope that the Lighthouse Project is at least being built by this time next year and gives the team more momentum on the ice.

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You're blinded by your love of dp and it makes you sound silly :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

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Zep... in all honesty I don't really get bothered by your comments about DP because you never offer a realistic alternative. Check your PM. That's where this discussion belongs.
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Let me start by saying that I love when people seperate their points like this. Makes it much easier to respond to.

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IMO, the team can be built realtively quickly doing the following:

* Trades of veterans such as Sillinger, Comrie, Martinek and Gervais for solid prospects or draft picks. I would keep Guerin, Weight and Witt as veterans to build around. If Tambellini doesn't do it by the deadline, its probably not going to come - at least not here.


I'd trade them all as long as our team salary can surpass the cap minimum. Guerin, Weight, and Witt are going to command the most at the deadline. If you look at previous years, 1st round picks are easily attainable at the deadline especially for players having good seasons. I would trade every single guy you named if we can get away with it. Then, in the off season, hopefully we have a strong draft and we can possibly bring these guys back into the fold since we'll have plenty of money that we NEED to spend.

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* Once they make room at the deadline, they will need to bring in from Bridgeport folks like Joensuu and Oggulden to see if they can perform at this level. Kohn, from what I understand, is a 3rd pairing d-man. I'd be interested to see how folks like Rhakshani do as well.


I'd like to give some Bridgeport kids a shot late in the year. It can't hurt and it would only solidify a great draft status.

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* Continue to lay Comeau, Bailey (who should have gone to WJC) and Okposo and let them develop together. Actually, I am tempted to try them as a line.


I've been thinking the same thing. For now, I'll take having Comrie on that line.

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* Then they need to turn the draft into gold. No room for error here. They supposedly did a good job at last year's draft - well, they need to repeat that.


Well, I think this is the year you take the best player available. They restocked the system in the previous draft and we have a ton of middle round picks. We'll probably have even more after the deadline. The thinking in this draft should be to trade UP or stand pat.

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* They need to hit a home run in the off-season. They need to go after Komisarek and promise him the world. Streit was a great pickup this past summer, they need to do it again particularly as Witt slows down.


Agreed 100%. Need to throw a monster contract at Komisarek. We have to spend the money regardless, might as well put it to good use.

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* If I were Snow, I would visit Russia in the off-season and talk to Petrov. We need to talk to him and explain that another injury like he just recovered from and he may never play in the NHL at all. We need to convince him that he could lose his chance of playing on the big stage by risking another injury in Russia. Assuming transfer agreements are in place, maybe he comes over in a season or two.


May have already happened. Snow took a secret trip to Europe last week (as per Point Blank). But, if it hasn't happened already, it needs to happen. We need to get this guy over here for a number of reasons, most importantly to score goals. But it would definitely make the 2008 draft a hell of a lot better.

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* Hope that the Lighthouse Project is at least being built by this time next year and gives the team more momentum on the ice.


This to me is the most important issue. If we don't have a renovated arena, we don't have the Islanders any more.
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Just to comment on Mike Komaserak, I can't believe that MTL would let him get to the trade dedadline not signed. If they dont' have him under contract by the deadline, then those fans up there need to string the GM up by his nads if he has any.

Now, if Mike K is available, I'd throw CROSBY MONEY at him. Make it impossible for him to turn down the deal. You are coming home, we have a number one pick coming in, and we want you to be the well paid cornerstone to our defense.

That would be a situation where the Isles could do one of two things...

1- Bring in Kom and if we get the number 2 pick overall, we have two franchise dmen for the next decade.

2- Bring in Kom and if we get the number 1 pick we take Tavares and have a franchise player at both ends of the ice for the next decade.

That would be a great start to the rebuild.

Would anyone oppose giving Komsarek 8.5 mill for the next 6 years?
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You're blinded by your love of dp and it makes you sound silly :rotflmao:  :rotflmao:

CHILDREN ABOVE ~ DO NOT TAKE THIS SO SERIOUSLY
DP PROVES HIS WORTH EVERY DAY :disgraced:

Zep... in all honesty I don't really get bothered by your comments about DP because you never offer a realistic alternative. Check your PM. That's where this discussion belongs.

Just sent this to DP's dad - I4C
======================================
I just started to read "This isn't meant to offend,"

And just erased the rest.

Looking at posts on board wanting DP to be hurt
"classless"

L and e TIGER

The one post was based on history with Mr. 15
How history has played out with him.

All based on past occurrences.
Never would want the guy hurt.

It's one win against a bad team
plenty of hockey to be played.


This will go out to the board for all the DP lovers
that think I want him hurt.

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LEDZEP,Dec 26 2008
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You're blinded by your love of dp and it makes you sound silly :rotflmao:  :rotflmao:

CHILDREN ABOVE ~ DO NOT TAKE THIS SO SERIOUSLY
DP PROVES HIS WORTH EVERY DAY :disgraced:

Zep... in all honesty I don't really get bothered by your comments about DP because you never offer a realistic alternative. Check your PM. That's where this discussion belongs.

Just sent this to DP's dad - I4C
======================================
I just started to read "This isn't meant to offend,"

And just erased the rest.

Looking at posts on board wanting DP to be hurt
"classless"

L and e TIGER

The one post was based on history with Mr. 15
How history has played out with him.

All based on past occurrences.
Never would want the guy hurt.

It's one win against a bad team
plenty of hockey to be played.


This will go out to the board for all the DP lovers
that think I want him hurt.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS

sadly, that is exactly what I was talking about. I looked to have a discussion. You erase it...post something about "L and e" and continue with the drivvel.

Whatever dude.

And yes, it is classless to root for someone to be injured simply because you don't like them as a player.

If you have a problem with that, how about a response a bit more encompassing than trite cracks.

And if you had read the pm, you'd see that I wasn't insulting you. I was trying to start a conversation, but I know you are allergic to things like IDEAS supported by FACTS based upon REASON.

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LEDZEP,Dec 26 2008
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You're blinded by your love of dp and it makes you sound silly :rotflmao:  :rotflmao:

CHILDREN ABOVE ~ DO NOT TAKE THIS SO SERIOUSLY
DP PROVES HIS WORTH EVERY DAY :disgraced:

Zep... in all honesty I don't really get bothered by your comments about DP because you never offer a realistic alternative. Check your PM. That's where this discussion belongs.

Just sent this to DP's dad - I4C
======================================
I just started to read "This isn't meant to offend,"

And just erased the rest.

Looking at posts on board wanting DP to be hurt
"classless"

L and e TIGER

The one post was based on history with Mr. 15
How history has played out with him.

All based on past occurrences.
Never would want the guy hurt.

It's one win against a bad team
plenty of hockey to be played.


This will go out to the board for all the DP lovers
that think I want him hurt.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS

sadly, that is exactly what I was talking about. I looked to have a discussion. You erase it...post something about "L and e" and continue with the drivvel.

Whatever dude.

And yes, it is classless to root for someone to be injured simply because you don't like them as a player.

If you have a problem with that, how about a response a bit more encompassing than trite cracks.

And if you had read the pm, you'd see that I wasn't insulting you. I was trying to start a conversation, but I know you are allergic to things like IDEAS supported by FACTS based upon REASON.

Best to ya Chachi

I'm glad to know at holiday time we are friends :blink:


Chachi :letssee:

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I have to know why the hate for DP from LED? We played a good game and won. DP was in net and lifted the spirits of our team (myself) and most Islander fans. Even a-rod who stinks it up in the playoffs gets love from the yankee fans why such hate for DP? :dontknow:
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I have to know why the hate for DP from LED? We played a good game and won. DP was in net and lifted the spirits of our team (myself) and most Islander fans. Even a-rod who stinks it up in the playoffs gets love from the yankee fans why such hate for DP? :dontknow:

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* Trades of veterans such as Sillinger, Comrie, Martinek and Gervais for solid prospects or draft picks. I would keep Guerin, Weight and Witt as veterans to build around. If Tambellini doesn't do it by the deadline, its probably not going to come - at least not here.



See we can't fall in to that trap. I believe my boy Snowman said they will have the value. Those guys won't be here either when the ship really turns around, sorry they won't.

Those three will bring MUCH more than the Bruno's and Comrie's. Shoot send a Guerin and a WItt and get a late first rounder (Contender team). Send all three, three different spots and get the second round picks.

Don't half- ass it. Also in the off-season we will get a few guys that are mentors. Those guys can ALWAYS be had. Face it though, what is the earliest this team could win a cup? Three years, being more fair and honest four plus. Guerin and Weight will be retired.
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I have to know why the hate for DP from LED? We played a good game and won. DP was in net and lifted the spirits of our team (myself) and most Islander fans. Even a-rod who stinks it up in the playoffs gets love from the yankee fans why such hate for DP? :dontknow:

Unless you can decode emoticons, don't hold your breath on an answer. Your question would require thought for a response....not his strong suit.

He still hasn't answered the question I posed about "which goalie he'd prefer" since he doesn't want DP, but he's had time to start other threads about DP.

Good luck getting that response.
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Now I don't know I am asking is Mike Komisarek that good? I wouldn't mind overpaying at all. If you say he is worth this and we over-pay that is fine. I NEVER mind over-paying for top level talent, but is he?

Is he head and shoulders above a Jay Bouwmeester? I am sure Kami is a very good player and is a home-grown guy, and I know stats with him is different ( I did expect his +/- to be a little better)

I'd rather spend 13 million on Crosby ( I know you can't) than spend 5.5 million on Mike Comrie. I hope you guys see my analgoy ha.

To me Gaborik is a guy worth it, so over-spending for him is A-Okay with me and a six year 8 million dollar deal for him sign me up. I say the same for Hossa as well.

I know it starts with the back-line but is Komi a top ten d-man? You spend 8 million plus on him over Gaborik? (I know Gaborik or Hossa wouldn't come but it is philosphy talk). I would want and would over-spend at the top top guys at that position, no matter what position it is.

In baseball you need the pitching, but over-spending on a Pujols or Mauer or Holliday or David Wright because they are top 3 or 4 at the position.

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Komisarek is a stay at home defenseman. He is a 26 year old monster who is Long Island born and raised, grew up an Islander fan. He is the type of player you want to throw a ton of money at, especially since we need to spend.
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Tinman31
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^ Number one d-man in the league money though?

Paid with Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin...

Plus could you ever sign that golden player than? Especially when Comeau, Bailey, Okposo our next two top studs have to get paid? That is all I am saying.

Plus would people have the same feelings about him if he wasn't a Long Island guy? That is nice, but we are at the pro level. If he was born in Boston, I don't know anyone that would come on here and say let's do a 6 year 50 million dollar deal.

I will over pay for TOP TOP guys any-day, can't over-pay for real good players and have the home-town thing have that much clout.
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