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Topic Started: Dec 24 2008, 01:02 PM (1,018 Views)
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Yes.... you pay Komi that much and here is why.

Concerning Gaborik- played more than 70 games twice in his last 6 seasons and won't this year. He's only played 5 games so far.

Yes, he's been a point a game player the last 4 years, but he's playing 48, 65, 65, 77 games a season. Not very durable for top money.

Now, if we get the first pick overall and take Tavares, then it might become alot easier to sign Gaborik telling him, you will be his rw.

However, Komi is durable. His last three seasons he's played 71, 82, 71 games and he is a physical presence. He clears the crease, fights to defend teammates, destroys guys in corners. He is basically a Clark Gillies in his prime, only on the blueline. He is also respected throughout the league and will be ENTERING HIS PRIME.

Now, Bouwmeester...more offensive presence than Kami, but not the physical presence in his own end. Kami is 240 and it isn't a slow 240. Bouw is 212lbs. I could see throwing that type of money at Bouw and I'd be happy to have both.

What people need to remember is this... Brian Campbell just got 6.5 mill per from Chicago at last year's FA period, so the number has been set and while Campbell is not a number one dman, he is a good Dman with outrageous offensive skills. I think Kami and Bouw are both better and will get paid more. So if you want one, you'll need to pay.

As far as the argument goes, "we will have Bailey, Okposo, Comeau" and other young ins coming up for new contracts. Not for a few years and even when that happens we can stretch out the process a year when they are RFA's. Basically, unless they go through the roof, we don't have to worry about a team giving them offer sheets when their current deals expire in 3-4 years. Additionally, one contract of 7-8 mill does not put us up against the cap ceiling. Look at Pitt, they have Malkin and Crosby making a ton. Next year Pitt will have both Malkin and Crosby making 9 milliion, Gonchar making 6 million and MAF making 5 million. They will be OK.

Besides, Okposo and Bailey...if they are in the range to make that kind of money...great. It means they have been tearing it up. How great is that for us. Comeau won't reach that level of pay. He's a solid second line guy in about three years.
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I4C I am with you, especially with the money you are right.

I just want to make sure that monster contract is for a monster player. And like I said, if he wasn't a LI guy would it have the same clout? If we COULD pay Phaneuf 12 million I would because at least you know it is for a top top level player, want to make sure Komi is.

Also only thing I disagree is how good Comeau is going to be, he will be a force.
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Tinman31,Dec 27 2008
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I4C I am with you, especially with the money you are right.

I just want to make sure that monster contract is for a monster player. And like I said, if he wasn't a LI guy would it have the same clout? If we COULD pay Phaneuf 12 million I would because at least you know it is for a top top level player, want to make sure Komi is.

Also only thing I disagree is how good Comeau is going to be, he will be a force.

I hope you are right about Comeau. I'm not down on the kid at all. I'm just not sold he's a first liner in three years (if we have a legit first line that compares with other good teams), but I wouldn't mind being wrong about that. And from what I've seen so far, if he turns out to be a second liner....I'll be happy because it will mean we have a strong first line ahead of him.

Here is my dream scenario....

Isles get first pick...

Isles draft Tavares...

FA period comes...

Isles land Gaborik or Hossa with a contract (I'd give Hossa 8 mill, Gaborik probably 7) and the idea "play on Tavares" wing

Isles sign Komi or Bouwmeester with the idea "come be the anchor of our D for the next 6 seasons"

If we do that, the Isles have a top Dman at 8 mill, a top winger at 7-8 mill, a rookie playmaking center in Tavares.

So the Isles would have filled 3 huge holes in the roster, completed 2/3 of a top line, got a number one dman and that means other guys currently playing ON the first line would move down to their proper spots.

Wouldn't a second line of Okposo-Bailey-Comeau sound nice playing behind Tavares-Gaborik?

We'd have enough depth at center to easily say to Mike Comrie..."thanks for the lack of memories...we'll still save a seat for Hill but not you. See ya".

Even if we trade Guerin and/or Weight at the deadline, we could still resign them if we thought it was a good idea (and I would).

Think of this...

Gaborik-Tavarez-Guerin
Okposo-Bailey-Comeau
Bergie-Weight- ??? (don't say Tam-bell-ina)
Park- Franz Neilsen- Hilbert

I'd pay to watch that set of forwards

On D...

Komesarek (or Bouwmeester)
Streit
Witt
Martinek
Campoli
FM4
Gervais (whom I PRAY we trade and get a bag of pucks for)

Witt and Martinek would be playing as the 3rd and 4th dmen which is more their speed. Streit is more a 4th dman but can play with Komi. FM4 and Campoli would be RIGHT WHERE THEY SHOULD BE at the 4th and 5th spot.

That is a team that is now on the way to a rebuild...can challenge for a playoff spot, has some guns on it with a young line that can build into something.

How many people would be happy with that next year?

Oh....and DP and Joey tandem with Rick starting 60-65 games and Joey starting the rest.

I'd be very happy to see that team take the ice come Oct, 2009
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Islander4cups,Dec 27 2008
03:45 AM
Tinman31,Dec 27 2008
03:20 AM
I4C I am with you, especially with the money you are right. 

I just want to make sure that monster contract is for a monster player.  And like I said, if he wasn't a LI guy would it have the same clout?  If we COULD pay Phaneuf 12 million I would because at least you know it is for a top top level player, want to make sure Komi is. 

Also only thing I disagree is how good Comeau is going to be, he will be a force.

I hope you are right about Comeau. I'm not down on the kid at all. I'm just not sold he's a first liner in three years (if we have a legit first line that compares with other good teams), but I wouldn't mind being wrong about that. And from what I've seen so far, if he turns out to be a second liner....I'll be happy because it will mean we have a strong first line ahead of him.

Here is my dream scenario....

Isles get first pick...

Isles draft Tavares...

FA period comes...

Isles land Gaborik or Hossa with a contract (I'd give Hossa 8 mill, Gaborik probably 7) and the idea "play on Tavares" wing

Isles sign Komi or Bouwmeester with the idea "come be the anchor of our D for the next 6 seasons"

If we do that, the Isles have a top Dman at 8 mill, a top winger at 7-8 mill, a rookie playmaking center in Tavares.

So the Isles would have filled 3 huge holes in the roster, completed 2/3 of a top line, got a number one dman and that means other guys currently playing ON the first line would move down to their proper spots.

Wouldn't a second line of Okposo-Bailey-Comeau sound nice playing behind Tavares-Gaborik?

We'd have enough depth at center to easily say to Mike Comrie..."thanks for the lack of memories...we'll still save a seat for Hill but not you. See ya".

Even if we trade Guerin and/or Weight at the deadline, we could still resign them if we thought it was a good idea (and I would).

Think of this...

Gaborik-Tavarez-Guerin
Okposo-Bailey-Comeau
Bergie-Weight- ??? (don't say Tam-bell-ina)
Park- Franz Neilsen- Hilbert

I'd pay to watch that set of forwards

On D...

Komesarek (or Bouwmeester)
Streit
Witt
Martinek
Campoli
FM4
Gervais (whom I PRAY we trade and get a bag of pucks for)

Witt and Martinek would be playing as the 3rd and 4th dmen which is more their speed. Streit is more a 4th dman but can play with Komi. FM4 and Campoli would be RIGHT WHERE THEY SHOULD BE at the 4th and 5th spot.

That is a team that is now on the way to a rebuild...can challenge for a playoff spot, has some guns on it with a young line that can build into something.

How many people would be happy with that next year?

Oh....and DP and Joey tandem with Rick starting 60-65 games and Joey starting the rest.

I'd be very happy to see that team take the ice come Oct, 2009

What about this idea:

What if we tried to sign BOTH Komisarek and Bouwmeester. That is a top defensive pairing for the next 10 years. I know it's saying a lot, but sell it to them as a package deal of sorts. Of course this is provided we draft Tavares or Steve Duchense and not Hedman.

Here is why I think that would be an excellent idea:

1. Bouwmeester, Komisarek, Streit: 1/2 of our defense would be set for years. The other three spots could be open for anybody: Witt, Campoli, Ness, Niemi, Kessel, etc.

2. The money. With our goaltender's annual salary being so low and with the majority of our forwards going to be on entry level deals over the next few years, it would be a great way to keep our team's overall salary UP and keep deadwood off of the team.

3. It takes too long to develop young defensemen. Victor Hedman aside, most defensemen take 4 or 5 years to truely develop. This would absolutely speed up the rebuilding process.

Anyway, that's my long-shot of an idea.
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Snowman39,Dec 27 2008
01:14 PM
Islander4cups,Dec 27 2008
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Tinman31,Dec 27 2008
03:20 AM
I4C I am with you, especially with the money you are right. 

I just want to make sure that monster contract is for a monster player.  And like I said, if he wasn't a LI guy would it have the same clout?  If we COULD pay Phaneuf 12 million I would because at least you know it is for a top top level player, want to make sure Komi is. 

Also only thing I disagree is how good Comeau is going to be, he will be a force.

I hope you are right about Comeau. I'm not down on the kid at all. I'm just not sold he's a first liner in three years (if we have a legit first line that compares with other good teams), but I wouldn't mind being wrong about that. And from what I've seen so far, if he turns out to be a second liner....I'll be happy because it will mean we have a strong first line ahead of him.

Here is my dream scenario....

Isles get first pick...

Isles draft Tavares...

FA period comes...

Isles land Gaborik or Hossa with a contract (I'd give Hossa 8 mill, Gaborik probably 7) and the idea "play on Tavares" wing

Isles sign Komi or Bouwmeester with the idea "come be the anchor of our D for the next 6 seasons"

If we do that, the Isles have a top Dman at 8 mill, a top winger at 7-8 mill, a rookie playmaking center in Tavares.

So the Isles would have filled 3 huge holes in the roster, completed 2/3 of a top line, got a number one dman and that means other guys currently playing ON the first line would move down to their proper spots.

Wouldn't a second line of Okposo-Bailey-Comeau sound nice playing behind Tavares-Gaborik?

We'd have enough depth at center to easily say to Mike Comrie..."thanks for the lack of memories...we'll still save a seat for Hill but not you. See ya".

Even if we trade Guerin and/or Weight at the deadline, we could still resign them if we thought it was a good idea (and I would).

Think of this...

Gaborik-Tavarez-Guerin
Okposo-Bailey-Comeau
Bergie-Weight- ??? (don't say Tam-bell-ina)
Park- Franz Neilsen- Hilbert

I'd pay to watch that set of forwards

On D...

Komesarek (or Bouwmeester)
Streit
Witt
Martinek
Campoli
FM4
Gervais (whom I PRAY we trade and get a bag of pucks for)

Witt and Martinek would be playing as the 3rd and 4th dmen which is more their speed. Streit is more a 4th dman but can play with Komi. FM4 and Campoli would be RIGHT WHERE THEY SHOULD BE at the 4th and 5th spot.

That is a team that is now on the way to a rebuild...can challenge for a playoff spot, has some guns on it with a young line that can build into something.

How many people would be happy with that next year?

Oh....and DP and Joey tandem with Rick starting 60-65 games and Joey starting the rest.

I'd be very happy to see that team take the ice come Oct, 2009

What about this idea:

What if we tried to sign BOTH Komisarek and Bouwmeester. That is a top defensive pairing for the next 10 years. I know it's saying a lot, but sell it to them as a package deal of sorts. Of course this is provided we draft Tavares or Steve Duchense and not Hedman.

Here is why I think that would be an excellent idea:

1. Bouwmeester, Komisarek, Streit: 1/2 of our defense would be set for years. The other three spots could be open for anybody: Witt, Campoli, Ness, Niemi, Kessel, etc.

2. The money. With our goaltender's annual salary being so low and with the majority of our forwards going to be on entry level deals over the next few years, it would be a great way to keep our team's overall salary UP and keep deadwood off of the team.

3. It takes too long to develop young defensemen. Victor Hedman aside, most defensemen take 4 or 5 years to truely develop. This would absolutely speed up the rebuilding process.

Anyway, that's my long-shot of an idea.

It isn't a bad idea at all, and typically winners are built from the net out. I don't think you go wrong if you sign BOTH dmen or sign one of them and go for a Gaborik or Hossa.

The lottery is the key. IF we can get Tavares, I think either option is viable. IF we get the second spot, we have to hope TB gets the first. I think they are the only nhl team that might take Hedman over Tavares because they are already loaded with centers.

If we end up with Hedman, I'd still go after either Bouw or Kami. Make a strong number one pairing and we really won't have to worry much about our d corps with a top three of Hedman, Komi/Bouw, Streit...

Hopefully, things shake out right with the ping pong balls and then Garth gets aggressive come July.
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We definitely need the #1 pick. I don't even trust that Tampa would take Hedman. The thought of having Lecavalier, Stamkos, and Tavares on the same team is probably unreal.
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We definitely need the #1 pick. I don't even trust that Tampa would take Hedman. The thought of having Lecavalier, Stamkos, and Tavares on the same team is probably unreal.

agreed, but they are far more in need of a number 1 dman than a 3rd number one center
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We definitely need the #1 pick.  I don't even trust that Tampa would take Hedman.  The thought of having Lecavalier, Stamkos, and Tavares on the same team is probably unreal.

agreed, but they are far more in need of a number 1 dman than a 3rd number one center

Oh 100%. But you always have to wonder when that team is in more disarray than we are. Who knows what they'd do in that situation.
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Snowman39,Dec 27 2008
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We definitely need the #1 pick.  I don't even trust that Tampa would take Hedman.  The thought of having Lecavalier, Stamkos, and Tavares on the same team is probably unreal.

agreed, but they are far more in need of a number 1 dman than a 3rd number one center

Oh 100%. But you always have to wonder when that team is in more disarray than we are. Who knows what they'd do in that situation.

Yep. I think Brian Lawton will turn out to have the distinction of being the only person in nhl history to be a complete bust as a number one overall pick and as a gm.

And having met him the summer he was drafted, I've never known a bigger toolbox in hockey.
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I'd like to see Komi, but I wouldn't throw Crosby money at him. Make it irresistible to come home, but don't go crazy.

I can't wait to see what young players are available come FA period.

I'd also like to see a veteran back up goalie. Farmer Mac had an excellent November, but December is wiping him out. Is it a coincidence that DP comes back one game and wins, but Farmer Mac can't find a way to win it? He's adequate, but there is a reason why he never broke into the NHL. No more soft goals....

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