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RWW, this organization knew if they were or were not pursuing him. If they weren't and had no intention, they knew damn well their fan base was in a frenzy for the last 36 hours and to say nothing and let them continue to speculate we may get the premier FA out there is underhanded. They knew what was going on among the fans, it's their duty to say there weren't in the running.

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general manager Garth Snow said when reached by telephone. "I've had a coversation with his agent and I'll leave it at that."

were quips like this designed to mislead for PR reasons

or

brooks twit
 
Islanders were never source of this supposed offer, had no obligation to refute erroneous reports.


I beg your pardon, Garth, with the heighten anticipation of a signing, you most certainly had an obligation to the fans to refute erroneous reports or was this all a bad joke for PR reasons?

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Webb20,Jul 5 2010
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If Garth could've made a better offer than what's being reported by TSN what the Devils spent, then I feel Garth is out of his league as a GM for an NHL club.

So if we had interest and didn't make an offer, Snow looks incompetent.  If we were in a position to offer more money and better terms and Kovalchuk still signs with the Devils, Snow looks incompetent, regardless of his excuses.    And if we never had a real interest in IK and Garth purposely let the fan base get worked up without saying we are not interested, than he's worse than incompetent.  Snow's only way to be considered a success in any of this is the report is wrong and we do end up signing him.

No offense Webby, but considering all your speculation is based upon media speculation and nothing concrete, I have to disagree with you a bit.

Yes, I wanted Kovy here for something along the lines of 9 mill per for 7 - 8 years. However, the only public comment the Isles/Snow have made was the "due dilligence". I've seen Lombardi in LA twittering like a smack fiend on this topic, so we know what he and the Kings are thinking. We know what IK's agent is thinking because he's twittering.

Now, I don't know if we will get IK or not. Even with all the comments from Dredger (BTW- HAS HE EVER BEEN CORRECT ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE ISLANDERS???? Why did everyone buy into his comments? Because he works for TSN.CA? According to Dredger and the rest of tsn, Jason Blake and Bryan McCabe were traded back to the Islanders in 2007, 2008 and 2009), Galdoff and everyone else, Snow has been consistent. He's never said what we offered or if we offered.

Now, if it turns out we could have had Kovy for 8 mill per at 8 years (I don't think we could have) I'd be ticked at Snow and your claims of incompetence I would not argue. But also keep in mind that we offered more to Lombardi and Paul Martin and was turned down so a deal like that likely wouldn't have done it. We would have needed to blow IK out of the water with an offer. Heck, even Brooks has said the Isles never claimed to have made an offer.

Now, you might want to take the tact that "if the Isles never made an offer, they owe it to their fans to say so". I don't buy that AT ALL. Believe me, no one's interest in this was piqued more than mine but I knew this was a looong shot from the beginning. However, just a few weeks ago Wash Nats fans tried to "guess" based on internet rumors of when Strausburg would make his mlb debut and bought a ton of tickets...turned out for the wrong game. The fans were ticked at the Nats for not saying they were wrong. How was it the Nats fault if they never fed the rumors, which they didn't? Same thing applies here.

I understand your anger, but I don't necessarily agree with it in this event. I'm going to wait to see the ENTIRE fa period and see what happens. Then I will assess a failiing or passing grade. Personally, I think your statement that you chose to highlight is a bit unrealistic and unwinable considering where the Isles started in the process.

If it turns out Garth offered 9 mill per and he signs with the Dev's for 7.5, is Garth still incompetent? Its about the only senario not covered.

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RWW, this organization knew if they were or were not pursuing him.  If they weren't and had no intention, they knew damn well their fan base was in a frenzy for the last 36 hours and to say nothing and let them continue to speculate we may get the premier FA out there is underhanded.    They knew what was going on among the fans, it's their duty to say there weren't in the running.

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general manager Garth Snow said when reached by telephone. "I've had a coversation with his agent and I'll leave it at that."

were quips like this designed to mislead for PR reasons

or

brooks twit
 
Islanders were never source of this supposed offer, had no obligation to refute erroneous reports.


I beg your pardon, Garth, with the heighten anticipation of a signing, you most certainly had an obligation to the fans to refute erroneous reports or was this all a bad joke for PR reasons?

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No Webby. If you refute them, then we are OUT.

I saw the Rangers listed on Ek's blog as a player in this. Should Slats have refuted it?

I do recall a few seasons ago that Garth did his "due dilligence" at the GM meetings about Ryan Smyth and then suddenly when the Oilers didn't like the offers they were getting, a deal fell together in 20 minutes at the deadline OUT OF NOWHERE. You don't think something like that can happen here or could have?

Senario...

LAK & NJD are giving IK's agents their pitches. Garth calls to "do his due dilligence" and as he and Lowe both said he did with the Smyth deal, Snow leaves with a "keep this conversation in mind". Then IK's not overwhelmed with offers from either team. Apparently, he wasn't with LaK's and they are out. Now, if the Dev's don't up the price, they might give that same call Lowe did a few seasons ago.

Is it likely? Its not probable, but it is IMPOSSIBLE that call gets made if Snow comes out and refutes a rumor that didn't come from his offices and it would kill any chance that Isles could have to be involved.

You might not like it, but this sort of deal goes down all the time. If you recall, the Pens were not considered major players for Hossa a few seasons ago until the last 2 hours prior to the deadline. Teams have conversations with a "keep this in mind" for later idea all the time. If Snow comes out and refutes stories, then those deals NEVER get done.

It might be low percentage, but many shots are...like Ken Morrow's v. the Rags in game 5. Or maybe he shouldn't have taken the shot because it was low percentage?
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Garth would then be held accountable for the image of the team and the desire of others to not sin here.

Because Wang won't ever be held accountable.

The idea behind my NOT wanting Kovy for $100M/10 yrs is just that: we have to improve our image, not extend the Wang legacy of idiocy.
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Islander4cups,Jul 5 2010
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Webb20,Jul 5 2010
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If Garth could've made a better offer than what's being reported by TSN what the Devils spent, then I feel Garth is out of his league as a GM for an NHL club.

So if we had interest and didn't make an offer, Snow looks incompetent.   If we were in a position to offer more money and better terms and Kovalchuk still signs with the Devils, Snow looks incompetent, regardless of his excuses.    And if we never had a real interest in IK and Garth purposely let the fan base get worked up without saying we are not interested, than he's worse than incompetent.   Snow's only way to be considered a success in any of this is the report is wrong and we do end up signing him.

No offense Webby, but considering all your speculation is based upon media speculation and nothing concrete, I have to disagree with you a bit.

Yes, I wanted Kovy here for something along the lines of 9 mill per for 7 - 8 years. However, the only public comment the Isles/Snow have made was the "due dilligence". I've seen Lombardi in LA twittering like a smack fiend on this topic, so we know what he and the Kings are thinking. We know what IK's agent is thinking because he's twittering.

Now, I don't know if we will get IK or not. Even with all the comments from Dredger (BTW- HAS HE EVER BEEN CORRECT ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE ISLANDERS???? Why did everyone buy into his comments? Because he works for TSN.CA? According to Dredger and the rest of tsn, Jason Blake and Bryan McCabe were traded back to the Islanders in 2007, 2008 and 2009), Galdoff and everyone else, Snow has been consistent. He's never said what we offered or if we offered.

Now, if it turns out we could have had Kovy for 8 mill per at 8 years (I don't think we could have) I'd be ticked at Snow and your claims of incompetence I would not argue. But also keep in mind that we offered more to Lombardi and Paul Martin and was turned down so a deal like that likely wouldn't have done it. We would have needed to blow IK out of the water with an offer. Heck, even Brooks has said the Isles never claimed to have made an offer.

Now, you might want to take the tact that "if the Isles never made an offer, they owe it to their fans to say so". I don't buy that AT ALL. Believe me, no one's interest in this was piqued more than mine but I knew this was a looong shot from the beginning. However, just a few weeks ago Wash Nats fans tried to "guess" based on internet rumors of when Strausburg would make his mlb debut and bought a ton of tickets...turned out for the wrong game. The fans were ticked at the Nats for not saying they were wrong. How was it the Nats fault if they never fed the rumors, which they didn't? Same thing applies here.

I understand your anger, but I don't necessarily agree with it in this event. I'm going to wait to see the ENTIRE fa period and see what happens. Then I will assess a failiing or passing grade. Personally, I think your statement that you chose to highlight is a bit unrealistic and unwinable considering where the Isles started in the process.

If it turns out Garth offered 9 mill per and he signs with the Dev's for 7.5, is Garth still incompetent? Its about the only senario not covered.

I4C: well stated. It is very hard for fans, especially die-hards, but if every GM got the axe because of fans disappointed that a rumor, especially an entirely unsubstantiated one, did not come true, well....I'd have been a GM three times over.

But you gotta have some sympathy for us Isles fans. Man, it just ain't easy. Right now, I'm thinking of Robert Duvall's character in Apocalypse Now (Kilgore) walking up the beach and saying "one day, this war's going to be over" and when it is, we'll have suffered enough to warrant at least two more dynasties!
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I beg your pardon, Garth, with the heighten anticipation of a signing, you most certainly had an obligation to the fans to refute erroneous reports or was this all a bad joke for PR reasons?

:angrier:

Nope, and certainly not now, before Kovy signs, period.

The GM does NOT have an obligation to refute erroneous reports while negotiations are ongoing.

Maybe some people need to take a walk, go out shopping, or something else. This has become one wild feeding frenzy of rumor, repeating rumor, and nonsense. If you can't have fun with it, then perhaps sports has taken up a little too much of your life.
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OlTimeHockey,Jul 5 2010
03:02 PM
Garth would then be held accountable for the image of the team and the desire of others to not sin here.

Because Wang won't ever be held accountable.

The idea behind my NOT wanting Kovy for $100M/10 yrs is just that: we have to improve our image, not extend the Wang legacy of idiocy.

OTH... I have no problem with you or anyone else not wanting Kovy here, especially at 10 mill per/10 year. There are legit concerns over it. I get that.

And if someone wants to hold Snow accountable on something we know for sure and not just spec, its hard to be critical of that depending upon what the situation turned out to be.

And I know your position on Wang. Galoff seemed to be on page with you. I don't blame you for that idea.

Howver, I'd rather wait to see exactly what the senario turns out to be before I start casting blame/hero/bastid/diety status.
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If Garth could've made a better offer than what's being reported by TSN what the Devils spent, then I feel Garth is out of his league as a GM for an NHL club.

So if we had interest and didn't make an offer, Snow looks incompetent.   If we were in a position to offer more money and better terms and Kovalchuk still signs with the Devils, Snow looks incompetent, regardless of his excuses.    And if we never had a real interest in IK and Garth purposely let the fan base get worked up without saying we are not interested, than he's worse than incompetent.   Snow's only way to be considered a success in any of this is the report is wrong and we do end up signing him.

No offense Webby, but considering all your speculation is based upon media speculation and nothing concrete, I have to disagree with you a bit.

Yes, I wanted Kovy here for something along the lines of 9 mill per for 7 - 8 years. However, the only public comment the Isles/Snow have made was the "due dilligence". I've seen Lombardi in LA twittering like a smack fiend on this topic, so we know what he and the Kings are thinking. We know what IK's agent is thinking because he's twittering.

Now, I don't know if we will get IK or not. Even with all the comments from Dredger (BTW- HAS HE EVER BEEN CORRECT ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE ISLANDERS???? Why did everyone buy into his comments? Because he works for TSN.CA? According to Dredger and the rest of tsn, Jason Blake and Bryan McCabe were traded back to the Islanders in 2007, 2008 and 2009), Galdoff and everyone else, Snow has been consistent. He's never said what we offered or if we offered.

Now, if it turns out we could have had Kovy for 8 mill per at 8 years (I don't think we could have) I'd be ticked at Snow and your claims of incompetence I would not argue. But also keep in mind that we offered more to Lombardi and Paul Martin and was turned down so a deal like that likely wouldn't have done it. We would have needed to blow IK out of the water with an offer. Heck, even Brooks has said the Isles never claimed to have made an offer.

Now, you might want to take the tact that "if the Isles never made an offer, they owe it to their fans to say so". I don't buy that AT ALL. Believe me, no one's interest in this was piqued more than mine but I knew this was a looong shot from the beginning. However, just a few weeks ago Wash Nats fans tried to "guess" based on internet rumors of when Strausburg would make his mlb debut and bought a ton of tickets...turned out for the wrong game. The fans were ticked at the Nats for not saying they were wrong. How was it the Nats fault if they never fed the rumors, which they didn't? Same thing applies here.

I understand your anger, but I don't necessarily agree with it in this event. I'm going to wait to see the ENTIRE fa period and see what happens. Then I will assess a failiing or passing grade. Personally, I think your statement that you chose to highlight is a bit unrealistic and unwinable considering where the Isles started in the process.

If it turns out Garth offered 9 mill per and he signs with the Dev's for 7.5, is Garth still incompetent? Its about the only senario not covered.

I4C: well stated. It is very hard for fans, especially die-hards, but if every GM got the axe because of fans disappointed that a rumor, especially an entirely unsubstantiated one, did not come true, well....I'd have been a GM three times over.

But you gotta have some sympathy for us Isles fans. Man, it just ain't easy. Right now, I'm thinking of Robert Duvall's character in Apocalypse Now (Kilgore) walking up the beach and saying "one day, this war's going to be over" and when it is, we'll have suffered enough to warrant at least two more dynasties!

Oh, I get the frustration. That is why, while I disagree with Webby, I completely understand he's frustrated with the front office. I just don't agree with him.

How many times have deals happened simply because a GM "was available" and didn't rule anything out?

You NEVER say you are out unless you are completely out. Plain and simple.

Right now there are blogs and messageboard posts killing Dean Lombardi in LA for doing exactly that on the IK issue. So which is right?
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Islander4cups,Jul 5 2010
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You NEVER say you are out unless you are completely out. Plain and simple.

Right now there are blogs and messageboard posts killing Dean Lombardi in LA for doing exactly that on the IK issue. So which is right?

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OlTimeHockey,Jul 5 2010
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Garth would then be held accountable for the image of the team and the desire of others to not sin here.

Because Wang won't ever be held accountable.

The idea behind my NOT wanting Kovy for $100M/10 yrs is just that: we have to improve our image, not extend the Wang legacy of idiocy.

OTH... I have no problem with you or anyone else not wanting Kovy here, especially at 10 mill per/10 year. There are legit concerns over it. I get that.

And if someone wants to hold Snow accountable on something we know for sure and not just spec, its hard to be critical of that depending upon what the situation turned out to be.

And I know your position on Wang. Galoff seemed to be on page with you. I don't blame you for that idea.

Howver, I'd rather wait to see exactly what the senario turns out to be before I start casting blame/hero/bastid/diety status.

The thing is....blame or no blame, I am/was/will be disgusted with how things transpire under this owner and GM's nose. The offer was BS, if it happened or didn't; if it was Snow or Wang. The idea is great IMHO.....if done with regard to professionalism and in the context of the image Snow&Co. have said they want to portray.

It just goes against the idea I want first and foremost: a regaining of respect among NHL teams, writers and fans. Just another circus act in this regime's dazzling show.

THAT is what I am against with all my posts. We lack integrity, we start regaining some with Snow's PLAN coming to happen and throw out a stinker (or refuse to do damage control - LA did very well by refusing to link itself to this circus atmosphere!).
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Islander4cups,Jul 5 2010
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Webb20,Jul 5 2010
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If Garth could've made a better offer than what's being reported by TSN what the Devils spent, then I feel Garth is out of his league as a GM for an NHL club.

So if we had interest and didn't make an offer, Snow looks incompetent.   If we were in a position to offer more money and better terms and Kovalchuk still signs with the Devils, Snow looks incompetent, regardless of his excuses.    And if we never had a real interest in IK and Garth purposely let the fan base get worked up without saying we are not interested, than he's worse than incompetent.   Snow's only way to be considered a success in any of this is the report is wrong and we do end up signing him.

No offense Webby, but considering all your speculation is based upon media speculation and nothing concrete, I have to disagree with you a bit.

Yes, I wanted Kovy here for something along the lines of 9 mill per for 7 - 8 years. However, the only public comment the Isles/Snow have made was the "due dilligence". I've seen Lombardi in LA twittering like a smack fiend on this topic, so we know what he and the Kings are thinking. We know what IK's agent is thinking because he's twittering.

Now, I don't know if we will get IK or not. Even with all the comments from Dredger (BTW- HAS HE EVER BEEN CORRECT ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE ISLANDERS???? Why did everyone buy into his comments? Because he works for TSN.CA? According to Dredger and the rest of tsn, Jason Blake and Bryan McCabe were traded back to the Islanders in 2007, 2008 and 2009), Galdoff and everyone else, Snow has been consistent. He's never said what we offered or if we offered.

Now, if it turns out we could have had Kovy for 8 mill per at 8 years (I don't think we could have) I'd be ticked at Snow and your claims of incompetence I would not argue. But also keep in mind that we offered more to Lombardi and Paul Martin and was turned down so a deal like that likely wouldn't have done it. We would have needed to blow IK out of the water with an offer. Heck, even Brooks has said the Isles never claimed to have made an offer.

Now, you might want to take the tact that "if the Isles never made an offer, they owe it to their fans to say so". I don't buy that AT ALL. Believe me, no one's interest in this was piqued more than mine but I knew this was a looong shot from the beginning. However, just a few weeks ago Wash Nats fans tried to "guess" based on internet rumors of when Strausburg would make his mlb debut and bought a ton of tickets...turned out for the wrong game. The fans were ticked at the Nats for not saying they were wrong. How was it the Nats fault if they never fed the rumors, which they didn't? Same thing applies here.

I understand your anger, but I don't necessarily agree with it in this event. I'm going to wait to see the ENTIRE fa period and see what happens. Then I will assess a failiing or passing grade. Personally, I think your statement that you chose to highlight is a bit unrealistic and unwinable considering where the Isles started in the process.

If it turns out Garth offered 9 mill per and he signs with the Dev's for 7.5, is Garth still incompetent? Its about the only senario not covered.

I4C: well stated. It is very hard for fans, especially die-hards, but if every GM got the axe because of fans disappointed that a rumor, especially an entirely unsubstantiated one, did not come true, well....I'd have been a GM three times over.

But you gotta have some sympathy for us Isles fans. Man, it just ain't easy. Right now, I'm thinking of Robert Duvall's character in Apocalypse Now (Kilgore) walking up the beach and saying "one day, this war's going to be over" and when it is, we'll have suffered enough to warrant at least two more dynasties!

Oh, I get the frustration. That is why, while I disagree with Webby, I completely understand he's frustrated with the front office. I just don't agree with him.

How many times have deals happened simply because a GM "was available" and didn't rule anything out?

You NEVER say you are out unless you are completely out. Plain and simple.

Right now there are blogs and messageboard posts killing Dean Lombardi in LA for doing exactly that on the IK issue. So which is right?

LA, again, walks away being right. They refused to get involved as the situation degraded, maintaining a responsible and smart image.
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"But the Coliseum became a repository for all the team's troubles, a convenient scapegoat. There were suggestions that no major free agent ever would set foot in such a decrepit place. We have two words for anyone making that argument: Fenway Park. History says free agents would play in an old boxcar if they got enough money and had a chance to win." - Mark Herrmann

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RWW, this organization knew if they were or were not pursuing him. If they weren't and had no intention, they knew damn well their fan base was in a frenzy for the last 36 hours and to say nothing and let them continue to speculate we may get the premier FA out there is underhanded. They knew what was going on among the fans, it's their duty to say there weren't in the running.

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general manager Garth Snow said when reached by telephone. "I've had a coversation with his agent and I'll leave it at that."

were quips like this designed to mislead for PR reasons

or

brooks twit
 
Islanders were never source of this supposed offer, had no obligation to refute erroneous reports.


I beg your pardon, Garth, with the heighten anticipation of a signing, you most certainly had an obligation to the fans to refute erroneous reports or was this all a bad joke for PR reasons?

:angrier:

So before the guy even signs a contract, some of us know exactly what went down and will use that conjecture to kill Snow with it? Jesus Christ, what the hell is going on in Islander Nation these days?

I for one will wait to get just a bit more in regard to the last 36 hours before rushing to kill anyone. Most, if not all, information we have seen has been nothing but twitter and other media SPECULATION...not near enough evidence to go nuts on Snow just yet.

What if Snow really did hope to sign Illya when he said that he "spoke to his agent and let's just leave it at that"? At that point, the Isles could have very well been negotiating with Grossman in the hopes of landing his client. I guess he should jeopardize that by simply saying "we are not interested" in an attempt to quell some of the rabid fans who were going berserk...sorry, that should NEVER be a GM's main concern.

I don't know for sure who did what and, more importantly, if anyone did anything immoral like allowing an entire fan base to fill themselves with hope when they really were never involved to begin with. If we find out that's the case, I will jump right on board and KILL THEM for allowing it to get to that point.

Until then, and contrary to the behavior of a lot of my fellow fans, I will use a "wait and see" attitude, compile as much evidence as I can and then decide if something stinks in this mess...no need to rush to the highest mountain and condemn anyone before I know the FACTS of what really happened because doing so usually is a sure fire way to make yourself look like an idiot.


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So before the guy even signs a contract, some of us know exactly what went down and will use that conjecture to kill Snow with it? Jesus Christ, what the hell is going on in Islander Nation these days?

I for one will wait to get just a bit more in regard to the last 36 hours before rushing to kill anyone. Most, if not all, information we have seen has been nothing but twitter and other media SPECULATION...not near enough evidence to go nuts on Snow just yet.

What if Snow really did hope to sign Illya when he said that he "spoke to his agent and let's just leave it at that"? At that point, the Isles could have very well been negotiating with Grossman in the hopes of landing his client. I guess he should jeopardize that by simply saying "we are not interested" in an attempt to quell some of the rabid fans who were going berserk...sorry, that should NEVER be a GM's main concern.

I don't know for sure who did what and, more importantly, if anyone did anything immoral like allowing an entire fan base to fill themselves with hope when they really were never involved to begin with. If we find out that's the case, I will jump right on board and KILL THEM for allowing it to get to that point.

Until then, and contrary to the behavior of a lot of my fellow fans, I will use a "wait and see" attitude, compile as much evidence as I can and then decide if something stinks in this mess...no need to rush to the highest mountain and condemn anyone before I know the FACTS of what really happened because doing so usually is a sure fire way to make yourself look like an idiot.

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OlTimeHockey,Jul 5 2010
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Garth would then be held accountable for the image of the team and the desire of others to not sin here.

Because Wang won't ever be held accountable.

The idea behind my NOT wanting Kovy for $100M/10 yrs is just that: we have to improve our image, not extend the Wang legacy of idiocy.

OTH... I have no problem with you or anyone else not wanting Kovy here, especially at 10 mill per/10 year. There are legit concerns over it. I get that.

And if someone wants to hold Snow accountable on something we know for sure and not just spec, its hard to be critical of that depending upon what the situation turned out to be.

And I know your position on Wang. Galoff seemed to be on page with you. I don't blame you for that idea.

Howver, I'd rather wait to see exactly what the senario turns out to be before I start casting blame/hero/bastid/diety status.

The thing is....blame or no blame, I am/was/will be disgusted with how things transpire under this owner and GM's nose. The offer was BS, if it happened or didn't; if it was Snow or Wang. The idea is great IMHO.....if done with regard to professionalism and in the context of the image Snow&Co. have said they want to portray.

It just goes against the idea I want first and foremost: a regaining of respect among NHL teams, writers and fans. Just another circus act in this regime's dazzling show.

THAT is what I am against with all my posts. We lack integrity, we start regaining some with Snow's PLAN coming to happen and throw out a stinker (or refuse to do damage control - LA did very well by refusing to link itself to this circus atmosphere!).

LA was ALL ABOUT the "circus event" as you put it. They were involved until they said they weren't because the offer got too rich for them and that was less than 24 hours ago.

Basically, if we land him, we did good. If we don't, it's a "circus". OK. Got it now.
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I'm not one for the cloak and dagger crap, but I understand it. I just hope it doesn't come out that we offered more and still lost him. It's the GM's job to sign the big fish when it there in front of you especially if you can offer more. And if there was no offer at all, then they were never one of the teams that Kovalchuk could've considered, and we've been spinning our wheels for two days when there was no need at all to, unless they loved it and hope to sell more tickets with the PR.

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Webb20,Jul 5 2010
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I'm not one for the cloak and dagger crap, but I understand it. I just hope it doesn't come out that we offered more and still lost him.

That won't bother me ... because it's happened before. The Devils at the moment can offer something other than money, after all: a playoff slot with a chance to progress.

You might want to look a little harder at Kovy's thinking. He doesn't want to be the foundation. He doesn't want to be a cornerstone. He wants to be the cherry on top. At least that's what I would take from all he has said in the past.
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Webb20,Jul 5 2010
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And if there was no offer at all, then they were never one of the teams that Kovalchuk could've considered, and we've been spinning our wheels for two days when there was no need at all to, unless they loved it and hope to sell more tickets with the PR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P_5EWjVNr4

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An uneventful end to quite an eventful day. Isn't that so typical? At this point my feeling is that if we don't end up with IK (I really have no idea if we will or not) is simply to say no harm-no foul. The last 48 hours will be chalked up as a diversion and a painfully detailed lesson as to how/why sports journalism is a ridiculous term. A true contradiction if ever there were one.
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smittyrules31,Jul 5 2010
05:34 PM
An uneventful end to quite an eventful day. Isn't that so typical? At this point my feeling is that if we don't end up with IK (I really have no idea if we will or not) is simply to say no harm-no foul. The last 48 hours will be chalked up as a diversion and a painfully detailed lesson as to how/why sports journalism is a ridiculous term. A true contradiction if ever there were one.

It has been made a ridiculous term because of technology (ie Twitter and all that) People say before they think because it is so fast and easy.
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