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Topic Started: Jul 5 2010, 11:29 AM (3,046 Views)
smittyrules31
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Normality returns. Oh, how I missed thee.

Is anyone else getting Strang's full article? At first only the first paragraph came up and it said a subscription was needed. I hit refresh and now the whole thing is up.
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Bring back...PRIDE OF THE ISLAND
Kovalchuk decision postponed, but Islanders are out
23 m ago By Katie Strang

By Katie Strang

Ilya to the Island? Not quite.

Although the ongoing saga for the summer’s hottest free agent-- Ilya Kovalchuk—has yet to be resolved, one thing is certain: the 27-year-old Russian sniper will not be signing with the Islanders.

An Islanders-bound Kovalchuk would’ve undoubtedly been general manager Garth Snow’s biggest splash to date, but it appears he may not have gone far beyond dipping his toes into the water.

It is believed that while the Islanders’ interest was legitimate, they never entered a serious stage of discussions with Kovalchuk’s camp nor made an offer. Contrary to reports that the Islanders lobbed a 10-year, $100-million dollar Hail Mary to entice Kovalchuk to Uniondale, a short-term deal was their plan had negotiations advanced.

Considering Kovalchuk had more attractive long-term options on the table, however, the Islanders never moved past the exploratory stage of discussions.

“I’d rather keep those conversations between Jay [Grossman] and myself,” Snow said, when asked for comment.

Snow did say, however, that he’d be crazy to not show interest in Kovalchuk--who has 338 goals and 304 assists in 621 career games—and has no reservations about making inquiries on him or for pursuing premier defensemen Dan Hamhuis and Paul Martin last week.

“When there are top free agents available, we’re going to go after them,” Snow said. “Obviously, if we make the call, we have interest. We have interest in the top free agents now and we will in the future.”

Although one potential suitor has now been ruled out, the speculation about where the star winger will end up continues despite reports Monday that indicated Kovalchuk was on the verge of re-signing with the Devils and inking a deal worth $60 million over 7 years.

Beyond the Devils and the Islanders (not to mention the lingering KHL option), the Kings were also among the teams interested in Kovalchuk. Los Angeles was even considered by many to be the early front-runner, until Kings general manager Dean Lombardi announced they were out of the mix Sunday night.

Anticipation peaked early Monday afternoon when Kovalchuk’s agent Jay Grossman announced that his landing spot would soon be revealed.

“Ilya Kovalchuk looking to make decision on his future today,” Grossman announced on his Twitter account, although that scenario never came to fruition.

Grossman, who could not be reached for comment, then took to his Twitter account to provide an update on his client’s situation again Monday night.

“Ilya Kovalchuk choices have been narrowed down. Details to be finalized but no announcement tonight…”

The hockey world awaits as the Kovalchuk drama is still unfolding. But at least one team can now be crossed off that list.

Notes and Quotes: Islanders restricted free agent Matt Moulson filed for arbitration Monday, his agent Wade Arnott. Moulson confirmed. Moulson, 26, led the team with 30 goals last season. Arbitration begins later this month.

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Short term deal? Makes sense, I suppose. Not that it matters now. As I said before, no harm, no foul.
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LOL.

It is believed that while the Islanders’ interest was legitimate, they never entered a serious stage of discussions with Kovalchuk’s camp nor made an offer. Contrary to reports that the Islanders lobbed a 10-year, $100-million dollar Hail Mary to entice Kovalchuk to Uniondale, a short-term deal was their plan had negotiations advanced.

This is why no one can take Garth Snow seriously. Short term? LMAO. There's reality and there's Garth Snow's perception of the UFA world. Let's hope the Lighthouse moves forward, Wang sells and we get someone serious about putting a legit team out there.
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Shooter,Jul 6 2010
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LOL.

It is believed that while the Islanders’ interest was legitimate, they never entered a serious stage of discussions with Kovalchuk’s camp nor made an offer. Contrary to reports that the Islanders lobbed a 10-year, $100-million dollar Hail Mary to entice Kovalchuk to Uniondale, a short-term deal was their plan had negotiations advanced.

This is why no one can take Garth Snow seriously. Short term? LMAO. There's reality and there's Garth Snow's perception of the UFA world. Let's hope the Lighthouse moves forward, Wang sells and we get someone serious about putting a legit team out there.

Shooter: I may be mistaken, but weren't there a number of people here who thought that a short-term deal would be the way to go? Again, I could be wrong, and I simply don't have the energy to go looking, but after the 10-year 100 million rumor came out, I seem to recall some pretty interesting points being made about going short term (I'm assuming that means 2-4 years???) with max pay (11-12 million/year). It would give the Isles an elite player and he could still get another fat contract after it expired. No?
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Anger makes dull men witty, but it keeps them poor.

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Shooter,Jul 6 2010
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LOL.

It is believed that while the Islanders’ interest was legitimate, they never entered a serious stage of discussions with Kovalchuk’s camp nor made an offer. Contrary to reports that the Islanders lobbed a 10-year, $100-million dollar Hail Mary to entice Kovalchuk to Uniondale, a short-term deal was their plan had negotiations advanced.

This is why no one can take Garth Snow seriously. Short term? LMAO. There's reality and there's Garth Snow's perception of the UFA world. Let's hope the Lighthouse moves forward, Wang sells and we get someone serious about putting a legit team out there.

Shooter: I may be mistaken, but weren't there a number of people here who thought that a short-term deal would be the way to go? Again, I could be wrong, and I simply don't have the energy to go looking, but after the 10-year 100 million rumor came out, I seem to recall some pretty interesting points being made about going short term (I'm assuming that means 2-4 years???) with max pay (11-12 million/year). It would give the Isles an elite player and he could still get another fat contract after it expired. No?

Kovy was never going to accept a short term deal. And if it were short term, it wouldn't be with the Islanders. We're talking a legit game changer offensively. There's reality and there's Garth Snow in his dream world.
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BSutter21,Jul 5 2010
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Strang announces the Isles are out.

Isles Out

Back to our normal lives!

OK but then here's my question...the Kings are out. We are out. Why hasn't he signed with the Devils yet? What is left to be worked out? And if we didn't offer anything near what he was looking for, hasn't it just been the Devils for the past 48 hrs since the Kings dropped out?

What is he waiting for?

I think I saw Devils are having cap problems and may be trying to move someone or 2 someones to get far enough under to sign him.


Sutter - My understanding is a team can play the first 3 months 10% over the cap, so I don't think its a cap issue...right now.
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aries44475,Jul 5 2010
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aries44475,Jul 5 2010
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Strang announces the Isles are out.

Isles Out

Back to our normal lives!

OK but then here's my question...the Kings are out. We are out. Why hasn't he signed with the Devils yet? What is left to be worked out? And if we didn't offer anything near what he was looking for, hasn't it just been the Devils for the past 48 hrs since the Kings dropped out?

What is he waiting for?

I think I saw Devils are having cap problems and may be trying to move someone or 2 someones to get far enough under to sign him.


Sutter - My understanding is a team can play the first 3 months 10% over the cap, so I don't think its a cap issue...right now.

Its more than 10% and they have to move people before they sign him.
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Normality returns. Oh, how I missed thee.

Is anyone else getting Strang's full article? At first only the first paragraph came up and it said a subscription was needed. I hit refresh and now the whole thing is up.

Sleep...beautiful beautiful sleep...oh how I missed thee. Im giving my F5 key a rest.
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aries44475,Jul 5 2010
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Strang announces the Isles are out.

Isles Out

Back to our normal lives!

OK but then here's my question...the Kings are out. We are out. Why hasn't he signed with the Devils yet? What is left to be worked out? And if we didn't offer anything near what he was looking for, hasn't it just been the Devils for the past 48 hrs since the Kings dropped out?

What is he waiting for?

I think I saw Devils are having cap problems and may be trying to move someone or 2 someones to get far enough under to sign him.


Sutter - My understanding is a team can play the first 3 months 10% over the cap, so I don't think its a cap issue...right now.

Its more than 10% and they have to move people before they sign him.

???? Maybe I'm not getting what your trying to say but the Devils have 4.7mil in cap space 10% of 59.4mil is 5.94mil. 4.7 + 5.9 = 10.6mil so a 7-8mil contract is possible.

Not only that but its not like they have to be under the cap as of today, its first day of the season. I seriously doubt they signing him today has anything to do with cap problems.
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should delete every kovalchuk post.. waste of time and waste of hopes... insulting someone would leak that we are in the process of finalizing a deal.. hey im finalizing buying a 10 million dollar home then.. ill make some calls to whoever is selling it and say hello to the man! real joke
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The Islanders NEVER had any intentions towards signing him...otherwise some kind of an offer would have been made. Doing your due diligence means you went out and did what you could within your means to try and sign him...just like the Kings did. The Kings did their due diligence...and Kings fans should be happy that Lombardi at least tried. How anybody can be proud of what Snow did...is beyond me.
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aries44475,Jul 5 2010
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Strang announces the Isles are out.

Isles Out

Back to our normal lives!

OK but then here's my question...the Kings are out. We are out. Why hasn't he signed with the Devils yet? What is left to be worked out? And if we didn't offer anything near what he was looking for, hasn't it just been the Devils for the past 48 hrs since the Kings dropped out?

What is he waiting for?

I think I saw Devils are having cap problems and may be trying to move someone or 2 someones to get far enough under to sign him.


Sutter - My understanding is a team can play the first 3 months 10% over the cap, so I don't think its a cap issue...right now.

Its more than 10% and they have to move people before they sign him.

???? Maybe I'm not getting what your trying to say but the Devils have 4.7mil in cap space 10% of 59.4mil is 5.94mil. 4.7 + 5.9 = 10.6mil so a 7-8mil contract is possible.

Not only that but its not like they have to be under the cap as of today, its first day of the season. I seriously doubt they signing him today has anything to do with cap problems.

Sorry...I read that somewhere its probably wrong...plus I don't want the Devils signing him at all so I just jumped on the bandwaggon of "they can't afford him".
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This is why no one can take Garth Snow seriously. Short term? LMAO. There's reality and there's Garth Snow's perception of the UFA world. Let's hope the Lighthouse moves forward, Wang sells and we get someone serious about putting a legit team out there.

I disagree.

Kovy wants about $10m/year. The long-term offers don't reach that. So if Snow offers him $40m/4 years, Kovy gets another crack at free agency at 31, gets the annual salary he wants, and Snow lands someone he normally would not get.

Snow can't win. If he goes long term, he hears some of you (and others) laughing, talking about DP and Yashin, etc. If he goes short-term, we're told he's an idiot for not understanding today's marketplace.

Well, folks, which is it?

The sad thing is that it was evident that no matter what Snow did, a bunch of you were going to jump on him.

Snow deserves criticism for other moves, non-moves, playing games with the press (and thus all of you), and so on. But I don't think people are being fair or realistic here. So, while it annoys me no end to have to defend the man, here I am doing so.

Don't think it doesn't tick me off.
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Garth would then be held accountable for the image of the team and the desire of others to not sin here.

Because Wang won't ever be held accountable.

The idea behind my NOT wanting Kovy for $100M/10 yrs is just that: we have to improve our image, not extend the Wang legacy of idiocy.

OTH... I have no problem with you or anyone else not wanting Kovy here, especially at 10 mill per/10 year. There are legit concerns over it. I get that.

And if someone wants to hold Snow accountable on something we know for sure and not just spec, its hard to be critical of that depending upon what the situation turned out to be.

And I know your position on Wang. Galoff seemed to be on page with you. I don't blame you for that idea.

Howver, I'd rather wait to see exactly what the senario turns out to be before I start casting blame/hero/bastid/diety status.

The thing is....blame or no blame, I am/was/will be disgusted with how things transpire under this owner and GM's nose. The offer was BS, if it happened or didn't; if it was Snow or Wang. The idea is great IMHO.....if done with regard to professionalism and in the context of the image Snow&Co. have said they want to portray.

It just goes against the idea I want first and foremost: a regaining of respect among NHL teams, writers and fans. Just another circus act in this regime's dazzling show.

THAT is what I am against with all my posts. We lack integrity, we start regaining some with Snow's PLAN coming to happen and throw out a stinker (or refuse to do damage control - LA did very well by refusing to link itself to this circus atmosphere!).

LA was ALL ABOUT the "circus event" as you put it. They were involved until they said they weren't because the offer got too rich for them and that was less than 24 hours ago.

Basically, if we land him, we did good. If we don't, it's a "circus". OK. Got it now.

Final thoughts on the matter to clarify:

I really have to say if the offer was never made by us, 10/$100M, then our silence was not professional. Dignifying it by not correcting it allowed NJ or whom ever gets IK to get raped by IK's agent. As soon as that outlandish offer went out, it had credence until it was shot down. It got shot down in a touchy feely way, so I give the Isles some credit.

The Kings made it known they were in the game and the Kings made it known once the offer got silly that they were out. Stupid bluff, Kings not willing to pay it, the Kings withdrew publicly.

THAT is not circus-like; that is professional.

Thankfully, we went public with a NOT-INTERESTED after some time, but the fanbase was held hostage with a rumor and not given the information to settle us down in time.

Good publicity, maybe....but we look like idiots unless it becomes public knowledge that we were never going to satisfy the reported stupid contract and the agent or whoever leaked the sum is called out.


Want circus free in my book?

"We made an offer, but it was not the reported one."
"We are interested in Ilya Kovalchuk and wish to negotiate but will not entertain the media circus."
"We are negotiating with Ilya's people but we ask fans to ignore unsubstantiated rumors."


Or, once the 10/100 rumor comes out, "we are not interested in pursuing Ilya any longer and we wish him good luck."

Kinda like the Kings did. I sincerely believe good press or bad press is press and the organization enjoyed it.....but I wish we stuck with the integrity aspect.

And now, we shall see what transpired, as you said, and see the hero/goat emerge. Maybe we did OK by me, maybe not. I just want no part of Yashin 3.0 contracts. I would have loved Kovy here otherwise. If we land him with dignity and discipline in accordance to smart spending and not Yashin reduxes, we did good. If we bow out gracefully and not let fans linger on a vine, we did good. I think we're in the grey area if we never made the offer reported by the vultures.


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“When there are top free agents available, we’re going to go after them,” Snow said. “Obviously, if we make the call, we have interest. We have interest in the top free agents now and we will in the future.”


:rofl: Oh the tears in my eyes, the pain in my sides, stop it garth, can't take anymore. Comedy Central is looking for you.
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The morning after ain't so bad. Not anywhere as near as awkward or difficult as a few walk of shames from my younger years! Very interesting to see how the fanbase is reacting to this whole non-event. Dr. G., 5-9-19-22-23-31 and I4C have been pretty sharp in providing some concise commentary that makes the most sense to me, though one can certainly appreciate the range of reactions that are going on. One thing is for sure, it sure as heck never gets boring being an Islanders fan. Maybe boring is what we need!
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The morning after ain't so bad. Not anywhere as near as awkward or difficult as a few walk of shames from my younger years! Very interesting to see how the fanbase is reacting to this whole non-event. Dr. G., 5-9-19-22-23-31 and I4C have been pretty sharp in providing some concise commentary that makes the most sense to me, though one can certainly appreciate the range of reactions that are going on. One thing is for sure, it sure as heck never gets boring being an Islanders fan. Maybe boring is what we need!

I agree.....a lot of different opinions from this weekend on how the Isles handled the situation. I'm looking forward to about 3 weeks after Garth gets fired/leaves where he can talk about his experience as Isles GM.

As for Kovi, the guy still isn't signed. I'm torn on whether I really wanted him at that price. Basically, if we give him that kind of money, we are going to have to step it up with KO, Tavares and others. Paying 10 mil is opening up the floodgates for other players. It's a tough tightrope to walk on. I'd rather somehow get some quality D-men.

The question is, how do we get to the cap floor? Do we re-sign Guerin and get old timers like Modano and Karyia just to reach the floor? Don't we HAVE to sign some players to get to the floor?

And next year we will have the same problem.
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This whole saga is just more fuel on the fire for those who enjoy tearing down this franchise.

Overall, I have been satisfied with Garth's performance as a GM, but it is becoming evident that he has some shortcomings when it comes to negotiating with free agents. These rumours surrounding Kovalchuk may or may not be true. I hope it's the latter. After the debacles with Yashin and DP, I'd like to believe that the day of 10 year deal is done. If they aren't true, Garth should state so.

I'm more disappointed in the way Garth seems to "show interest" by making a phone call. As an MBA, Snow should know the saying, "Money talks, bullsh!t walks." If there is genuine interest from the Islanders, an offer should be put on the table. If players are signing elsewhere for less, Garth has to be scrutinized for his inability to sell the Island to UFAs. I can only wonder if highly regarded GMs with a proven track record would have more success in this area, despite the Islanders' historical blunders. It's clear that Snow isn't able to alleviate concerns UFAs have with this franchise.

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I think, after going over everything about a million times, that the culprit here is none other than Charles Wang. He simply refuses to spend a nickel on this team until he gets approval on the Lighthouse.

Garth's hands are tied, he can only spend what Chuck lets him spend. It's like bringing a knife to a gun fight. And he has everything going against him. Losing team, no playoffs, decrepit building and a cheap owner.

Sorry, but Garth actually gets my symathy vote. It must suck to be hog tied like he is on everything.

If Charles, the astute businessman he thinks he is, could ever get his head out of his a$$ he would realize that his chances of developing the area are far better with a winning team and a full house.
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