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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 5 2010, 02:25 PM (4,029 Views) | |
| smittyrules31 | Jul 5 2010, 02:25 PM Post #1 |
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As this process winds down, I'm trying to step back, even if it is a bit early, and make sense of a few things. While there appears to be some (much?) anger directed towards Snow and Wang for failing to get IK, no one, not a soul here, thought we were in it prior to those reports coming out on Friday. Strang and Snow, in particular, have been very quiet. Botta, on the other hand, had multiple postings on IPB throughout the weekend. I guess I'm wondering if Botta played on our wishes for a big name to come here for his own professional gain. CB would have an interest in creating a buzz around something like this, as it increases hits to IPB and, by association, Fanhouse. Snow has the most formal relationship with Strang (even Botta admitted that news would be broken through her) and she was generally quiet on the matter. As best I recall, Snow had on every vague comment on the matter ("due diligence"). I'm just curious because we get so much of our info through CB and there seemed to be a real difference in both the quantity and quality of what was posted on this matter over the weekend. Were the Isles actively involved and did Snow have a genuine shot at signing IK? What was the reason for the silence coming from the front office? Were Botta's reports, while factually accurate, misleading in that they gave the impression that we were more of a factor than we ever were? Does Botta have an ax to grind with Snow over their falling out and he's willing to sensationalize (a bit) even at Snow's expense? Did we (the fans) simply let our wishes get the best of us and we read too far into things? This has been a really fun and fascinating weekend. Would love to hear more about the events behind the scenes. But there is something about all the info and change of stories coming from Botta that has made me a bit uneasy. (take this for what it is worth...here we go with Brooks again!) https://twitter.com/NYP_Brooksie/status/17811834072 |
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Authority without wisdom is like a heavy axe without an edge: fitter to bruise than polish. Anger makes dull men witty, but it keeps them poor. In the beginning, the Universe was created. This made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. | |
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| 3POTI | Jul 5 2010, 02:39 PM Post #2 |
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Bring back...PRIDE OF THE ISLAND
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ofcourse the islanders had an obligation to refute the reports...if they honestly cared about their fanbase, then they wouldn't have let us get excited over something that wasn't...snow/wang is really pissing me off...I'm done with these lunatics...done with their plans...done with their love for bruno, ricky, and their stupid LH can just be shredded away...move away to canada...long island doesn't need a stupid hockey team anymore...finish, kaput, through..see ya, don't let the moving truck roll too hard on your foot.. |
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| 3POTI | Jul 5 2010, 02:41 PM Post #3 |
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Bring back...PRIDE OF THE ISLAND
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but if by some small miracle we happen to sign kovy to a 6 year 70 deal...then once again, all is forgiven...
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| 5-9-19-22-23-31 | Jul 5 2010, 03:03 PM Post #4 |
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Botta's been the one posting with most detail on this and with the draft deliberations. Boy, was he wrong on the latter. I think Chris Botta likes to play with the emotions of his readers, whether as head cheerleader or as the "realist" bursting balloons. He has little patience for people who disagree with him, and he really enjoys being the fount of all information. He's a far more responsible reporter on FanHouse. Botta's gone too far before, and he's made himself the story at times when he should not have done so. That some people don't read him with a more skeptical eye is their fault. Take Botta's "reporting" away from all this, and I don't think you see the conversation quite so cranked up. It's reasonable to assume that as Botta no longer served as the mouthpiece of the organization (and disappointed old colleagues when he refused at times to do their bidding), his sources began drying up, and his fallout with Snow was amusing. Consider who would leak to him now, whereas Strang seems to get her news spoon-fed by Snow and the front office. Greg Logan might have been wrong at times, but the coverage was better and more responsible then. I came away from the Duchene matter convinced he'd been rather deliberately misled. Then again, I don't reveal my sources, either. |
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| OlTimeHockey | Jul 5 2010, 03:06 PM Post #5 |
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Strang is easier to control...she only filters Snow's words with her Facebook style of OMG writing. Botta comes off like.....your average Toronto writer. The trick is to filter all the cr*p out and try and read the scenario as what is most likely. Unfortunately, our most reliable commentary is through Larry F*ing Brooks nowadays. |
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"clearly it's Rick DiPietro's stupidity that's put the islanders in this situation getting into an altercation when a game was over..." Keith Jones on VS "But the Coliseum became a repository for all the team's troubles, a convenient scapegoat. There were suggestions that no major free agent ever would set foot in such a decrepit place. We have two words for anyone making that argument: Fenway Park. History says free agents would play in an old boxcar if they got enough money and had a chance to win." - Mark Herrmann 查理斯 · 請死你混蛋 | |
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| smittyrules31 | Jul 5 2010, 03:11 PM Post #6 |
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Well, it certainly doesn't make it easy for an Islander fan to discern what is true and accurate from what is not. Take a look at Webby's frustration with his post at the top of this page. If there was some irresponsible reporting going on, I'd be pissed if I was Snow. I can see where some fans may actually cancel (or not purchase) tix because of this. I'm in a holding pattern for now...there's just too much contradictory information out there for me to make sense of what the hell is going on. What I do know is that Snow actually didn't say much over the weekend and, in this instance and at this moment, I'm inclined to think that was the right thing to do. Still, my head is spinning. |
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| 5-9-19-22-23-31 | Jul 5 2010, 03:17 PM Post #7 |
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Webby's issue is that he's responding to speculation, and Botta's into speculation now. He doesn't know anything. Heck, he's busy moving into his house. So if Webby has an issue, it is with Botta, not Snow, and the world of Twitter for yanking his emotions around. Snow's been Snow throughout: cards close to the vest, saying very little, keeping reporters at arm's length. It's not as if Snow can force Grossman and Kovy to don orange and blue. Garth Snow works for the New York Islanders ... not people on a message board. Let's get that straight. |
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| dr_eagle | Jul 5 2010, 03:19 PM Post #8 |
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Fu@k you "Lockout" Bettman!!
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Better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you're an idiot...than to open it, and leave no doubt!!
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| Islander4cups | Jul 5 2010, 03:19 PM Post #9 |
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In Garth I Trust
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| Shooter | Jul 5 2010, 03:19 PM Post #10 |
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Garth Snow is a puppet, employed by the land grabber. The best thing that can happen to this franchise is the Lighthouse moves forward, Wang is in on the deal, he sells the Islanders to a competent hockey owner. And we can forget the mess that he's created. |
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| smittyrules31 | Jul 5 2010, 03:20 PM Post #11 |
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Interesting. Actually, that makes a whole lotta sense (finally!!!). Good points. Well done 5-9-19-22-23-31. |
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| OlTimeHockey | Jul 5 2010, 03:24 PM Post #12 |
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"clearly it's Rick DiPietro's stupidity that's put the islanders in this situation getting into an altercation when a game was over..." Keith Jones on VS "But the Coliseum became a repository for all the team's troubles, a convenient scapegoat. There were suggestions that no major free agent ever would set foot in such a decrepit place. We have two words for anyone making that argument: Fenway Park. History says free agents would play in an old boxcar if they got enough money and had a chance to win." - Mark Herrmann 查理斯 · 請死你混蛋 | |
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| 5-9-19-22-23-31 | Jul 5 2010, 03:28 PM Post #13 |
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It doesn't help that my name is Brooks. Really.
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| Webb20 | Jul 5 2010, 04:01 PM Post #14 |
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It's not twitter or bloggers. I know they don't carry credibility (although I used to give cred to Botta....use to). How about tsn , they used ESPN as a source or LA Times or the Daily News or NHL.com
It was up to Garth Snow to repute these reports. These are relied upon sources for fans, not some blogger or twit-er. |
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I sold it all, retired and moved to Fabulous Las Vegas! "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."-Ben Franklin "Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves."-Ronald Reagan | |
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| smittyrules31 | Jul 5 2010, 04:05 PM Post #15 |
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Nick: I think it is possible that many of those sources, as reputable as they seem, may actually be citing Botta and/or Twitter posts as their sources. As alarming as that is, I think that is what may be happening here. Or not. I just don't know anymore. But if they all have their hand in the same cookie jar (for sources) Snow would get NOTHING done all day except refuting report after report after report. |
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Authority without wisdom is like a heavy axe without an edge: fitter to bruise than polish. Anger makes dull men witty, but it keeps them poor. In the beginning, the Universe was created. This made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. | |
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| Islander4cups | Jul 5 2010, 04:07 PM Post #16 |
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In Garth I Trust
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Webby.... No it isn't. Should GArth then start refuting the posts made by you, OTH, me, Dee, and those who post here? Those you listed above ALL were quoting Darren Dredger's article/post on tsn.ca. That is where the 10mill per/10 years came from. Everyone else, the LA Times (btw- was written by the King's beat reporter and some on the net claim she was trying to get the Kings to get moving by referencing it), NHL.com, ALL got their info from Dredger. So I'll ask again...WHEN HAS HE BEEN RIGHT ABOUT ANYTHING INVOLVING THE ISLANDERS? We would have Blake and McCabe as Islanders and Tavares as a MapleLeaf if we listened to him and those clowns at tsn.ca. |
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| Webb20 | Jul 5 2010, 04:07 PM Post #17 |
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Espn was cited as a source. Hell, the daily news cites Kovalchuks agent as the source. Sure some picked up on Botta, and he's probably doing the jiggy dance in his living room for it, but it wasn't just him. |
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I sold it all, retired and moved to Fabulous Las Vegas! "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."-Ben Franklin "Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves."-Ronald Reagan | |
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| smittyrules31 | Jul 5 2010, 04:09 PM Post #18 |
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Didn't Botta say Grossman (IK's agent) wasn't the source of any info???? Seems odd that the Daily News would get Grossman to come clean if none of the heavyweights could. |
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| Webb20 | Jul 5 2010, 04:09 PM Post #19 |
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Read closer ![]() If it wasn't true, shame on these news agencies and shame on Garth for not clearing the record. |
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| Islander4cups | Jul 5 2010, 04:19 PM Post #20 |
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Read closer. Yes shame on those outlets because the media is lazy and will simply quote when another news outlet speculates. Now, they will quote twitter. I'm sure Edward R Murrow is spinning in his grave. But we've been through this before with tsn and Dredger. Shame on you for falling for it if that is how it all shakes down. NOTHING DREDGER REPORTS ON THE ISLES HAS BEEN ACCURATE IN THE LAST 5 SEASONS. No offense Webby, but as I posted before, the Isles don't have to and SHOULDN'T state anything more than they did about their depth of the talks they had with Ik's agent. If Snow says " we aren't making an offer" or "we aren't involved" then guess what... there is NO CHANCE. What GM shows their cards like that unless they are just looking for ink for themselves? Snow said it was "doing due diligence" and that he "had talks with Kovy's agent". He didn't say anything more than that and he didn't need to. Where in there was an OFFER MADE or an offer contemplated? If people look to go to other sites becuase they aren't getting enough info out of Snow, well sorry, but read those at your own risk. Its reminding me of the Mets fans who got pissed off at SI after reading the Sid Finch article on april 1 1984. |
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