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Casino at the Coliseum with a NEW COLISEUM
Topic Started: Apr 27 2010, 10:39 AM (3,730 Views)
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Webb20,Apr 28 2010
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Steve, I fall into that category. We are not talking about a residential area of Nassau. It's highly commercial, and if they work out a deal that the surrounding school districts get revenue that would offset prop taxes by 50% to the homeowners, that would settle alot of concerns. If this was an area south of Hemp Tkpe then you'd be in someone's back yard, but this is an area of Roosevelt field, 77 acres of asphalt with the NVMC/Marriot, Hofstra, Eisenhower park, Hemp Tpke, the Source and Stewart ave/Old Country rd mega retail district. If there were any place for Nassau to have a Casino other than Belmont, this would be the best local.

That said, if they thought that traffic would be a problem with Wangri la, I'd say there would be at least twice the traffic including volumes of bus service to the 'cockswoods Resort - Casino - Arena.

ALREADY HAVE THE BUS/PARKING ISSUE RESOLVED

THE HEMPSTEAD BUS TERMINAL AND DOWNTOWN HEMPSTEAD
ALL THOSE CLOSED BUILDINGS AND SHOPS
(WAITING FOR THE REVITALIZATION TO BEGIN :rofl: )
THEN BUILD A MONRAIL SYSTEM


AND THEY WOULDNT EVEN NOTICE AN INCREASE OF PERPHERAL CRIME
THEY'D PROBABLY THINK THE REVITALIAZTION HAS BEGUN




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Webb20,Apr 28 2010
11:57 AM
Steve, I fall into that category. We are not talking about a residential area of Nassau. It's highly commercial, and if they work out a deal that the surrounding school districts get revenue that would offset prop taxes by 50% to the homeowners, that would settle alot of concerns. If this was an area south of Hemp Tkpe then you'd be in someone's back yard, but this is an area of Roosevelt field, 77 acres of asphalt with the NVMC/Marriot, Hofstra, Eisenhower park, Hemp Tpke, the Source and Stewart ave/Old Country rd mega retail district. If there were any place for Nassau to have a Casino other than Belmont, this would be the best local.

That said, if they thought that traffic would be a problem with Wangri la, I'd say there would be at least twice the traffic including volumes of bus service to the 'cockswoods Resort - Casino - Arena.

Nick, totally get it. But Hofstra is right there for starters. Part of me would be a little concerned about my child going to college near a casino.
As for the towns neighboring this, the traffic will absolutely affect them.
I think there's alot more we need to find out about this. I don't now about offsetting property taxes that high. 50%? Crap, I'm moving there dangit.

I know one thing. There is alot of hypocrisy by many who oppose this right now.
Alot of people are freaking out saying that drugs and prostitution will follow if a Casino comes to Nassau. I have news for everyone, it's already there.
There debauchery in our schools out in Smithtown, St. James, Pat-Med etc. There's friggen heroin being used by High Schoolers and there's an out of control drinking and driving russian roulette game being played daily and I haven't touched on the gang nonsense.

Nick, to most, no place sounds like a perfect spot for this. But while I can see why that could be,
I also know many people would oppose it if it was being built in their back yard. I know I would even though there's enough other stuff, far worse to concern myself with than this. Hope that makes sense.
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Well, I have family members living a mile away. Close enough to rob their home to get some money to get their money back.

Half mile away we have plenty of customers for the local prostitutes. That would drive them from Terrace Avenue to the more desirable new clientèle.

So we went from a bad idea to a worse idea.....well, as a Republican, I will say I think Nassau County Republicans are worse than any other species of politicians outside of Chicago. Scum. Moronic. And voted in for life.

How about a nice smaller project everyone can live with since Wang now gets a nice sum from ALL Coliseum ops? The battle to survive financially isn't as dire, so the need for the project has shrunk (thank God for the local residents).

Let's just ****can this casino idea.....it feels like I'm watching Biff's Back to the Future Pt.2 idea.
"clearly it's Rick DiPietro's stupidity that's put the islanders in this situation getting into an altercation when a game was over..." Keith Jones on VS

"But the Coliseum became a repository for all the team's troubles, a convenient scapegoat. There were suggestions that no major free agent ever would set foot in such a decrepit place. We have two words for anyone making that argument: Fenway Park. History says free agents would play in an old boxcar if they got enough money and had a chance to win." - Mark Herrmann

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Webb20,Apr 28 2010
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Steve, I fall into that category.   We are not talking about a residential area of Nassau. It's highly commercial, and if they work out a deal that the surrounding school districts get revenue that would offset prop taxes by 50% to the homeowners, that would settle alot of concerns.    If this was an area south of Hemp Tkpe then you'd be in someone's back yard, but this is an area of Roosevelt field, 77 acres of asphalt with the NVMC/Marriot, Hofstra, Eisenhower park, Hemp Tpke, the Source and Stewart ave/Old Country rd mega retail district.   If there were any place for Nassau to have a Casino other than Belmont, this would be the best local.

That said, if they thought that traffic would be a problem with Wangri la, I'd say there would be at least twice the traffic including volumes of bus service to the 'cockswoods Resort - Casino - Arena.

Nick, totally get it. But Hofstra is right there for starters. Part of me would be a little concerned about my child going to college near a casino.
As for the towns neighboring this, the traffic will absolutely affect them.
I think there's alot more we need to find out about this. I don't now about offsetting property taxes that high. 50%? Crap, I'm moving there dangit.

I know one thing. There is alot of hypocrisy by many who oppose this right now.
Alot of people are freaking out saying that drugs and prostitution will follow if a Casino comes to Nassau. I have news for everyone, it's already there.
There debauchery in our schools out in Smithtown, St. James, Pat-Med etc. There's friggen heroin being used by High Schoolers and there's an out of control drinking and driving russian roulette game being played daily and I haven't touched on the gang nonsense.

Nick, to most, no place sounds like a perfect spot for this. But while I can see why that could be,
I also know many people would oppose it if it was being built in their back yard. I know I would even though there's enough other stuff, far worse to concern myself with than this. Hope that makes sense.

With the high salaries of cops on LI, the rampant drug use and gang activity and so on.....I'd hate to use that as an excuse to possibly increase it or maintain it. I'd prefer sensible repairs to the F*ups our government has made. (vote)

Is there a plan that can transform the area better? I'm all ears. Adding traffic would push house prices down and cause more decent people to leave. Hempstead is trying their revitalization project down the road and the LHP seemingly would hurt the success of that.....so again, if he went smaller, it would help to revitalize that local economic effort and the plan would be welcome. It would increase traffic a bit, helping local business, but if it's too much traffic.....I'd sure as hell avoid the area, which would kill any chance the Village of Hempstead's plans would have for turning that area around.
"clearly it's Rick DiPietro's stupidity that's put the islanders in this situation getting into an altercation when a game was over..." Keith Jones on VS

"But the Coliseum became a repository for all the team's troubles, a convenient scapegoat. There were suggestions that no major free agent ever would set foot in such a decrepit place. We have two words for anyone making that argument: Fenway Park. History says free agents would play in an old boxcar if they got enough money and had a chance to win." - Mark Herrmann

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Webb20,Apr 28 2010
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Steve, I fall into that category.  We are not talking about a residential area of Nassau. It's highly commercial, and if they work out a deal that the surrounding school districts get revenue that would offset prop taxes by 50% to the homeowners, that would settle alot of concerns.    If this was an area south of Hemp Tkpe then you'd be in someone's back yard, but this is an area of Roosevelt field, 77 acres of asphalt with the NVMC/Marriot, Hofstra, Eisenhower park, Hemp Tpke, the Source and Stewart ave/Old Country rd mega retail district.  If there were any place for Nassau to have a Casino other than Belmont, this would be the best local.

That said, if they thought that traffic would be a problem with Wangri la, I'd say there would be at least twice the traffic including volumes of bus service to the 'cockswoods Resort - Casino - Arena.

Nick, totally get it. But Hofstra is right there for starters. Part of me would be a little concerned about my child going to college near a casino.
As for the towns neighboring this, the traffic will absolutely affect them.
I think there's alot more we need to find out about this. I don't now about offsetting property taxes that high. 50%? Crap, I'm moving there dangit.

I know one thing. There is alot of hypocrisy by many who oppose this right now.
Alot of people are freaking out saying that drugs and prostitution will follow if a Casino comes to Nassau. I have news for everyone, it's already there.
There debauchery in our schools out in Smithtown, St. James, Pat-Med etc. There's friggen heroin being used by High Schoolers and there's an out of control drinking and driving russian roulette game being played daily and I haven't touched on the gang nonsense.

Nick, to most, no place sounds like a perfect spot for this. But while I can see why that could be,
I also know many people would oppose it if it was being built in their back yard. I know I would even though there's enough other stuff, far worse to concern myself with than this. Hope that makes sense.

I agree with you that having a casino is such a bad idea, especially in this area (and I LOVE to gamble so I'm not against casinos in general). It's the irony that the TOH wouldn't allow Wang to put up his Lighthouse but they may be forced to have a casino in their back yard.

Now, there are plenty of cities/areas that have casinos that have made it work. I was actually in Detroit over the weekend (went to the Wings game 6) and they do have 3 casinos in town and one across the river. The MGM was a very nice place and I didn't get the feeling there was any additional crime near it (although it is detroit and it is everywhere). I've been to casinos in Tuscon and viewed the same thing.....

The best thing to do IMO, is to have TOH ask Charles scale down the lighthouse "just a bit" or ask him to build in phases to verify that the traffic and other issues aren't as bad as the TOH thinks they will be.
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Wang will pout 'all or nothing' if asked to build in stages, though.
"clearly it's Rick DiPietro's stupidity that's put the islanders in this situation getting into an altercation when a game was over..." Keith Jones on VS

"But the Coliseum became a repository for all the team's troubles, a convenient scapegoat. There were suggestions that no major free agent ever would set foot in such a decrepit place. We have two words for anyone making that argument: Fenway Park. History says free agents would play in an old boxcar if they got enough money and had a chance to win." - Mark Herrmann

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He wouldn't build it in stages based on what transpires from previous stages. That would be ludicrous for any businessman as all the Town could say it's not getting approved based on recent data (and we all know data can be manipulated in anyway you want to present it).

Steve, your post makes sense. Crime wouldn't be the issue here as you said as it's already rampant. Now if organized crime took over and built a casino, I'd bet the ranch that you'd see those streets cleaned up and personal crime reduced to nothing (except the extortion of local business owners of course, and the cheats at the casino).

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stevedepot,Apr 28 2010
10:10 AM
Great point.

Only thing I can think of is more mass transit vs housing which will mean more cars.

Honestly, while I'm Republican. I have an issue with Mangano NOT discussing or disclosing these talks to Wang until now (if that's even true). We'll find out the the truth someday and not by Wang's admission either). There's just too many questions with this.

I also want to challenge any of my fellow Islanders fans who don't live in that area and are 100% behind this Casino build.
Would any of you want this in your back yard, near your childrens schools, college etc?
Alot of things to think about before we get to the selfish side of things stemming from our passionate fandom for our Isles.

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I've said from day 1 that I want wanger to get his mini city if it keeps the Isles here. With that said, I have said all along that I would NOT want anything like that in my town. My wife is from Levittown, so I know the area well. Its already an armpit. The last thing I would want is a chi-nee smelling armpit.
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If the Shinnecock Indians build this Casino/Arena..Wouldn't it fall under Bureau of Indian Affairs and the Nassau County PD would lose jurisdiction of the area and the Native Americans who own the land have to hire there own Police force? I'm not saying I suppourt this but It could mean extra good paying jobs for the community. Better to have someone make 55,000.00 a year Patrolling the Lots and Casinos than some guy make 7.00 an hour....
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If the Shinnecock Indians build this Casino/Arena..Wouldn't it fall under Bureau of Indian Affairs and the Nassau County PD would lose jurisdiction of the area and the Native Americans who own the land have to hire there own Police force? I'm not saying I suppourt this but It could mean extra good paying jobs for the community. Better to have someone make 55,000.00 a year Patrolling the Lots and Casinos than some guy make 7.00 an hour....

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If the Shinnecock Indians build this Casino/Arena..Wouldn't it fall under Bureau of Indian Affairs and the Nassau County PD would lose jurisdiction of the area and the Native Americans who own the land have to hire there own Police force? I'm not saying I suppourt this but It could mean extra good paying jobs for the community. Better to have someone make 55,000.00 a year Patrolling the Lots and Casinos than some guy make 7.00 an hour....

It's that way at Mohegan Sun. Makes concert going a throwback to the '70s.
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it's a pathetic idea.
Hopefully, it's just a ploy by Mangano to put a fire under Kate's butt.

And PS: look back, the LHP was a 10 year buildout with the coliseum being the first to be built.

certainly there is room to scale it back, but not by half if that is what murray is looking for.

and steve... I have a problem with you putting Charles' son in the photoshop version. I remember you not wanting me to take a photo of your son when we were ice skating just for this reason. I guess you forgot about that.

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If the Shinnecock Indians build this Casino/Arena..Wouldn't it fall under Bureau of Indian Affairs and the Nassau County PD would lose jurisdiction of the area and the Native Americans who own the land have to hire there own Police force?  I'm not saying I suppourt this but It could mean extra good paying jobs for the community. Better to have someone make 55,000.00 a year Patrolling the Lots and Casinos than some guy make 7.00 an hour....

It's that way at Mohegan Sun. Makes concert going a throwback to the '70s.
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it's a pathetic idea.
Hopefully, it's just a ploy by Mangano to put a fire under Kate's butt.

And PS: look back, the LHP was a 10 year buildout with the coliseum being the first to be built.

certainly there is room to scale it back, but not by half if that is what murray is looking for.

and steve... I have a problem with you putting Charles' son in the photoshop version. I remember you not wanting me to take a photo of your son when we were ice skating just for this reason. I guess you forgot about that.

TAKE YOUR PROBLEM UP WITH THE REVIEW BOARD
WE'LL TAKE IT UNDER CONSIDERATION :rolleyes:
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it's a pathetic idea.
Hopefully, it's just a ploy by Mangano to put a fire under Kate's butt.

And PS: look back, the LHP was a 10 year buildout with the coliseum being the first to be built.

certainly there is room to scale it back, but not by half if that is what murray is looking for.

and steve... I have a problem with you putting Charles' son in the photoshop version. I remember you not wanting me to take a photo of your son when we were ice skating just for this reason. I guess you forgot about that.

Charles paraded his son onto the platform on draft day and he gladly posed for that public photo.

When I ran into you and "~me" at the Rinx that day, I asked that you not take photo's of me and my son.


What's the point again?

Can we have a poll, if the majority find it in poor taste which is probably true, I'll gladly take it down.

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7th Woman,Apr 28 2010
02:02 PM
it's a pathetic idea.
Hopefully, it's just a ploy by Mangano to put a fire under Kate's butt.

And PS:  look back, the LHP was a 10 year buildout with the coliseum being the first to be built.

certainly there is room to scale it back, but not by half if that is what murray is looking for.

and steve... I have a problem with you putting Charles' son in the photoshop version.  I remember you not wanting me to take a photo of your son when we were ice skating just for this reason.  I guess you forgot about that.

Chuck put his son in the spotlight, giving him the jersey and fame. I'm 10000% Steve meant no ill will, just a redux of Chucky using his son in the public eye.

Big difference. If Wanger never put little Tomahwk out on TV, we wouldn't have seen or cared. I haven't seen Daughter Squaw in any pics (Dey's Hubby) in any pics.

(EDIT: Steve already commented.....but public eye is public eye, unfortunately. Wang can spend more resources to ensure his Little Bull is kept safe than Steve can with his kid's pic out there in Algoreland.)
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"But the Coliseum became a repository for all the team's troubles, a convenient scapegoat. There were suggestions that no major free agent ever would set foot in such a decrepit place. We have two words for anyone making that argument: Fenway Park. History says free agents would play in an old boxcar if they got enough money and had a chance to win." - Mark Herrmann

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Hey..just read a terrific article from BD Gallof @ islesindependent

I suggest every die hard Isles fan read this.

http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/bdgallof/15459/

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I tracked down a ToH source who would give me a straight answer about yesterday’s Nassau County bombshell which ended up on the front page of Newsday.

Source: “No conspiracy here, BD. She found out same as you did. She was caught off-guard.”

Was she pissed? After all, the Town of Hempstead put a lot out there that they are “taking the reins” here, with a Memorial Day deadline for the results of the FP Clark study. Doesn’t this put that off?

Source: Kate really doesn’t get pissed. Let’s say SURPRISED. She was surprised by it. However, we are continuing with our plan here. She tactfully responded when asked about it in the news, but we are going forward with our plans.

With a casino possibly added to the mix, are you concerned about traffic? Traffic was a big issue at the hearing by the town board back in August. Wouldn’t there be more traffic with a casino.

Source: Yes. Issue of traffic will not change. It still is at issue and they would still need to address the traffic no matter who it was.

Where do you think Charles Wang and Scott Rechler stand in all of this? I have heard they are upset.

Source: The day after election day we never heard from Charles again. I mean, just because Suozzi is out of office doesn’t mean it all just ends, right? What kind of deal is that? Where have these guys been? They haven’t called Mangano back. They have taken down the website now. Charles has really caused his own problems with Mangano with his antics.

Mangano offering land to the Shinnecock nation, or even entertaining the idea seems very curious when Rechler/Wang had a lease deal with Suozzi. Is this the bigger message here?

Source: Listen, that sweetheart deal just isn’t happening. That deal helps nobody locally except Charles Wang. Mangano is sitting staring at a $300 million debt for the county.

So, for arguments sake, lets say you guys come out with your scaled down version, and Charles says: Hell, ok…I’ll build that. You mean…

Source: Mangano will be changing that lease deal. No way that happens

So, in the end will something be done for NY Islander fans?

Source: Yes. Kate isn’t going to let her legacy be nothing was done while on her watch. We are focusing on finishing with FP Clark and continuing on our path.

Do you think the casino will happen? My take on it was very negative.

Source: Well, it’s not very likely. We understand that Mangano is trying to make this a productive conversation and come up with ways to get the county out of debt. But, doesn’t seem likely
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The point is he is a kid.
not an adult.
that's all.

but sure... just because a kid ends up on TV for a night - he's a celebrity and that makes it fine.

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Dee I got the point.
I get it. really do.

Hey, be honest, you were a bit jealous that i didn't photoshop you there handing out cookies, no?
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