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Hamonic; All the talk is De Haan
Topic Started: Sep 30 2010, 11:36 AM (512 Views)
bumpkin
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I have not seen him play, so excuse my ignorance.
Is he physically strong enough to play in the NHL this year?
He is only 20, and I know his shoulder was injured within the past year.
What is our braintrust going to do with this possible gem?
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I haven't seen much...but he plays with an edge. He's had 3 fights in 3 preseason games :)

2 in the rookie games (which led to him being ejected because of the 2 fight rule they had)...and he took on Carcillo last night (instant bonus points).

We are fairly set @ D for the moment so I doubt he sees any time this year...at least until the inevitable injury plague hits...or should I say continues at this point.
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At 20 he can play at Bridgeport making the odds of seeing him on a regular basis pretty good.
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bumpkin,Sep 30 2010
11:36 AM
I have not seen him play, so excuse my ignorance.
Is he physically strong enough to play in the NHL this year?
He is only 20, and I know his shoulder was injured within the past year.
What is our braintrust going to do with this possible gem?

With all due respect is he really considered a gem or are our expectations lower than normal? Is he really considered a standout first pair D-man or are we hoping for something that isnt there. Love his potential physical presence, but is he really considered a gem? I plead ignorance here. I thought he was a solid 2nd pairing d-man. Anyone else?
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Jack, I don't know what we have in him. I don't think he knows. When we can look back I'll tell you what he was. All we can hope for is the same for any one of our younger players, in that they find what it takes to excel and then do what it takes.
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Jackace,Sep 30 2010
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bumpkin,Sep 30 2010
11:36 AM
I have not seen him play, so excuse my ignorance.
Is he physically strong enough to play in the NHL this year? 
He is only 20, and I know his shoulder was injured within the past year.
What is our braintrust going to do with this possible gem?

With all due respect is he really considered a gem or are our expectations lower than normal? Is he really considered a standout first pair D-man or are we hoping for something that isnt there. Love his potential physical presence, but is he really considered a gem? I plead ignorance here. I thought he was a solid 2nd pairing d-man. Anyone else?

Jack.... no one should expect a rookie 20-23 year old dman to step in and be a top pair dman instantly. Dmen usually progress slowly which is why some, like Poti, can infuriate a fanbase (see Rangers).

Personally, I think he has top pair potential, but should be no worse than a top 4 defensemen. He's a very physical defensemen and should continue to grow to fill in a body for that type of play.

However, I agree with Webby. Since he's 20, he can play at the AHL level. I won't be surprised if the Isles take a good long look at him and even keep him up to begin the season or at least for parts of it, knowing he can move between the Brider and LI. Unlike deHaan who can only return to the jrs if he plays fewer than 10 nhl games.
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no one should expect a rookie 20-23 year old dman to step in and be a top pair dman instantly. Dmen usually progress slowly which is why some, like Poti, can infuriate a fanbase

First off, I want a peanutbutter test.

He's got the Physical game, apparently. I don't want him unless he has the inner fortitude and psyche to push himself and not be beaten down. That's what the minors are for, and he may need it.

Unfortunately, the New York Islanders are evaluating him, not the Red Wings or Devils. I think he has a low risk of being ruined if he were brought up prematurely given his game from what little I've seen/heard, thankfully. Now DeHaan.....if he stays up, say hello to Lachance Pt.II.
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Dehaan is simply not ready I don't believe at this point to handle the rigors of the NHL.....He still needs to pack on some pounds......he's only 180. I'd be more patient with him.

Hamonic I'd send back to the Bridgeto start but I'd have no problem calling him up and giving him a shot if god forbid we have more injuries to the backline.
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Dehaan is simply not ready I don't believe at this point to handle the rigors of the NHL.....He still needs to pack on some pounds......he's only 180. I'd be more patient with him.

Hamonic I'd send back to the Bridgeto start but I'd have no problem calling him up and giving him a shot if god forbid we have more injuries to the backline.

Chris, while I agree with you, Michael Del Zotto of the Rangers was almost the same exact size last year and stuck on the Rangers so that would probably be the argument against.
de Haan has alot of hockey smarts and by all accounts is very coachable.

OTH uses alot of sarcasm but he makes a good point re: Hamonic and who is evaluating talent.
No we aren't Detroit, no one is but Detroit but as laughable as we may think our player development program may be, Hamonic seems to be showing continued signs of improvement and at some point he'll earn a spot or force the team to make a move/decision.

kid plays an aggressive game, has some smarts and has dropped the gloves and shown ZERO fear. too bad our forward prospects haven't shown as much flair on he offensive side of things.
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Dehaan is simply not ready I don't believe at this point to handle the rigors of the NHL.....He still needs to pack on some pounds......he's only 180.  I'd be more patient with him.

Hamonic I'd send back to the Bridgeto start but I'd have no problem calling him up and giving him a shot if god forbid we have more injuries to the backline.

Chris, while I agree with you, Michael Del Zotto of the Rangers was almost the same exact size last year and stuck on the Rangers so that would probably be the argument against.
de Haan has alot of hockey smarts and by all accounts is very coachable.

OTH uses alot of sarcasm but he makes a good point re: Hamonic and who is evaluating talent.
No we aren't Detroit, no one is but Detroit but as laughable as we may think our player development program may be, Hamonic seems to be showing continued signs of improvement and at some point he'll earn a spot or force the team to make a move/decision.

kid plays an aggressive game, has some smarts and has dropped the gloves and shown ZERO fear. too bad our forward prospects haven't shown as much flair on he offensive side of things.

And since I'm responding in general, not to Jack, this will be in modern English, not colonial hybrid.

Hamonic has the tools and body for the NHL and has shown the ability on both ends. THIS is a pass. You have to score near 100 in my book.

Cal DeHaan doesn't measure up YET.

Insert one and you have a chance to see him start and remain competitive and not overmatched. Insert two and the hits will wear him down physically and the defense he employs will wear him down emotionally.

Now of the two, which would you like to send to the wolves in hopes that they can land a permanent residence in this league?

I use Detroit because they are the BEST at developing late and early rounders into gems. They find them....but then they hone them and nourish them and show PATIENCE with them and only bring them up when they are 10000% sure of them.

We're not the antithesis of this, but close.

I'd like to see Snow continue to move us up that scale....so the "bring XXXX 6 year old up and put him on line 1" threads scattering the internet would become not worries but useless banter worthy of laughter. When a system is in place that ensures we get MAXIMUM VALUE out of our picks through discipline.....we'll all embrace it.

Until then, be careful we don't end up with the broken spirited stunted growth prospect pool some crave unwittingly.
"clearly it's Rick DiPietro's stupidity that's put the islanders in this situation getting into an altercation when a game was over..." Keith Jones on VS

"But the Coliseum became a repository for all the team's troubles, a convenient scapegoat. There were suggestions that no major free agent ever would set foot in such a decrepit place. We have two words for anyone making that argument: Fenway Park. History says free agents would play in an old boxcar if they got enough money and had a chance to win." - Mark Herrmann

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OlTimeHockey,Oct 2 2010
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stevedepot,Oct 2 2010
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Dehaan is simply not ready I don't believe at this point to handle the rigors of the NHL.....He still needs to pack on some pounds......he's only 180.  I'd be more patient with him.

Hamonic I'd send back to the Bridgeto start but I'd have no problem calling him up and giving him a shot if god forbid we have more injuries to the backline.

Chris, while I agree with you, Michael Del Zotto of the Rangers was almost the same exact size last year and stuck on the Rangers so that would probably be the argument against.
de Haan has alot of hockey smarts and by all accounts is very coachable.

OTH uses alot of sarcasm but he makes a good point re: Hamonic and who is evaluating talent.
No we aren't Detroit, no one is but Detroit but as laughable as we may think our player development program may be, Hamonic seems to be showing continued signs of improvement and at some point he'll earn a spot or force the team to make a move/decision.

kid plays an aggressive game, has some smarts and has dropped the gloves and shown ZERO fear. too bad our forward prospects haven't shown as much flair on he offensive side of things.

And since I'm responding in general, not to Jack, this will be in modern English, not colonial hybrid.

Hamonic has the tools and body for the NHL and has shown the ability on both ends. THIS is a pass. You have to score near 100 in my book.

Cal DeHaan doesn't measure up YET.

Insert one and you have a chance to see him start and remain competitive and not overmatched. Insert two and the hits will wear him down physically and the defense he employs will wear him down emotionally.

Now of the two, which would you like to send to the wolves in hopes that they can land a permanent residence in this league?

I use Detroit because they are the BEST at developing late and early rounders into gems. They find them....but then they hone them and nourish them and show PATIENCE with them and only bring them up when they are 10000% sure of them.

We're not the antithesis of this, but close.

I'd like to see Snow continue to move us up that scale....so the "bring XXXX 6 year old up and put him on line 1" threads scattering the internet would become not worries but useless banter worthy of laughter. When a system is in place that ensures we get MAXIMUM VALUE out of our picks through discipline.....we'll all embrace it.

Until then, be careful we don't end up with the broken spirited stunted growth prospect pool some crave unwittingly.

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Hamonic has the tools and body for the NHL and has shown the ability on both ends. THIS is a pass. You have to score near 100 in my book.

Cal DeHaan doesn't measure up YET.


Wow. What is the name of your book? You seem such the expert I really need to learn from you. How many times have you actually seen de Haan play to have such an astute opinion? Are you a scout?
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Jackace,Oct 2 2010
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OlTimeHockey,Oct 2 2010
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stevedepot,Oct 2 2010
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puckhead,Oct 2 2010
08:21 AM
Dehaan is simply not ready I don't believe at this point to handle the rigors of the NHL.....He still needs to pack on some pounds......he's only 180.  I'd be more patient with him.

Hamonic I'd send back to the Bridgeto start but I'd have no problem calling him up and giving him a shot if god forbid we have more injuries to the backline.

Chris, while I agree with you, Michael Del Zotto of the Rangers was almost the same exact size last year and stuck on the Rangers so that would probably be the argument against.
de Haan has alot of hockey smarts and by all accounts is very coachable.

OTH uses alot of sarcasm but he makes a good point re: Hamonic and who is evaluating talent.
No we aren't Detroit, no one is but Detroit but as laughable as we may think our player development program may be, Hamonic seems to be showing continued signs of improvement and at some point he'll earn a spot or force the team to make a move/decision.

kid plays an aggressive game, has some smarts and has dropped the gloves and shown ZERO fear. too bad our forward prospects haven't shown as much flair on he offensive side of things.

And since I'm responding in general, not to Jack, this will be in modern English, not colonial hybrid.

Hamonic has the tools and body for the NHL and has shown the ability on both ends. THIS is a pass. You have to score near 100 in my book.

Cal DeHaan doesn't measure up YET.

Insert one and you have a chance to see him start and remain competitive and not overmatched. Insert two and the hits will wear him down physically and the defense he employs will wear him down emotionally.

Now of the two, which would you like to send to the wolves in hopes that they can land a permanent residence in this league?

I use Detroit because they are the BEST at developing late and early rounders into gems. They find them....but then they hone them and nourish them and show PATIENCE with them and only bring them up when they are 10000% sure of them.

We're not the antithesis of this, but close.

I'd like to see Snow continue to move us up that scale....so the "bring XXXX 6 year old up and put him on line 1" threads scattering the internet would become not worries but useless banter worthy of laughter. When a system is in place that ensures we get MAXIMUM VALUE out of our picks through discipline.....we'll all embrace it.

Until then, be careful we don't end up with the broken spirited stunted growth prospect pool some crave unwittingly.

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Hamonic has the tools and body for the NHL and has shown the ability on both ends. THIS is a pass. You have to score near 100 in my book.

Cal DeHaan doesn't measure up YET.


Wow. What is the name of your book? You seem such the expert I really need to learn from you. How many times have you actually seen de Haan play to have such an astute opinion? Are you a scout?

he's more then a scout....................... :torrey:
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Boy do I have catching up to do. De Haan, eh? Well, shooting from the hip I won't be surprised to see him thrown into circulation this year (youth movement part deaux?), just hopefully not to crush his soul.
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Jackace,Oct 2 2010
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OlTimeHockey,Oct 2 2010
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Dehaan is simply not ready I don't believe at this point to handle the rigors of the NHL.....He still needs to pack on some pounds......he's only 180.  I'd be more patient with him.

Hamonic I'd send back to the Bridgeto start but I'd have no problem calling him up and giving him a shot if god forbid we have more injuries to the backline.

Chris, while I agree with you, Michael Del Zotto of the Rangers was almost the same exact size last year and stuck on the Rangers so that would probably be the argument against.
de Haan has alot of hockey smarts and by all accounts is very coachable.

OTH uses alot of sarcasm but he makes a good point re: Hamonic and who is evaluating talent.
No we aren't Detroit, no one is but Detroit but as laughable as we may think our player development program may be, Hamonic seems to be showing continued signs of improvement and at some point he'll earn a spot or force the team to make a move/decision.

kid plays an aggressive game, has some smarts and has dropped the gloves and shown ZERO fear. too bad our forward prospects haven't shown as much flair on he offensive side of things.

And since I'm responding in general, not to Jack, this will be in modern English, not colonial hybrid.

Hamonic has the tools and body for the NHL and has shown the ability on both ends. THIS is a pass. You have to score near 100 in my book.

Cal DeHaan doesn't measure up YET.

Insert one and you have a chance to see him start and remain competitive and not overmatched. Insert two and the hits will wear him down physically and the defense he employs will wear him down emotionally.

Now of the two, which would you like to send to the wolves in hopes that they can land a permanent residence in this league?

I use Detroit because they are the BEST at developing late and early rounders into gems. They find them....but then they hone them and nourish them and show PATIENCE with them and only bring them up when they are 10000% sure of them.

We're not the antithesis of this, but close.

I'd like to see Snow continue to move us up that scale....so the "bring XXXX 6 year old up and put him on line 1" threads scattering the internet would become not worries but useless banter worthy of laughter. When a system is in place that ensures we get MAXIMUM VALUE out of our picks through discipline.....we'll all embrace it.

Until then, be careful we don't end up with the broken spirited stunted growth prospect pool some crave unwittingly.

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Hamonic has the tools and body for the NHL and has shown the ability on both ends. THIS is a pass. You have to score near 100 in my book.

Cal DeHaan doesn't measure up YET.


Wow. What is the name of your book? You seem such the expert I really need to learn from you. How many times have you actually seen de Haan play to have such an astute opinion? Are you a scout?

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"But the Coliseum became a repository for all the team's troubles, a convenient scapegoat. There were suggestions that no major free agent ever would set foot in such a decrepit place. We have two words for anyone making that argument: Fenway Park. History says free agents would play in an old boxcar if they got enough money and had a chance to win." - Mark Herrmann

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