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Kabanov already in trouble
Topic Started: Sep 13 2010, 10:07 AM (1,606 Views)
sybo
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rifleman22,Sep 22 2010
02:23 PM

Hell, he may be the most exciting and interesting guy we have, who knows?

From what I have read about his "history" and having heard his promises to be more disciplined...here's the quote:
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When asked if he needs to be more disciplined, he answers, "Yes. I need to be. I will and I promise. 100 percent."

...I'd say he's off to a lousy start.

Here's his history for anyone interested:
http://www.russianhockeyfans.com/prospects...e-fall-198.html



Chalk it up to immaturity if you like....but I'd say he's a bit of an entitled egomaniac thus far in his young career.
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sybo,Sep 22 2010
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UPDATE: Kabanov was bag-skated for 15 minutes after the first session, given a ten-minute break, then skated again for another 15 minutes until the second group got on the ice. He also had to do several pushups and crunches before leaving the ice.

Afterwards, Kabanov said he regretted his tardiness.

"I feel bad," he said. "I didn't fall asleep, but I was late for warm-up. I made it in time for practice, and that's about it."


I'm not sure if this is a language issue...but what does he mean he didn't fall asleep? AND it almost sounds like he is dismissing as only being late for warm up...which ain't a great attitude IMO

Simple question...why were U late?

Probably meant he didn't oversleep - even so, do we figure he's just a bad judge of how long it takes to get ready / get to the rink?

Maybe they need to cover some newfangled inventions in camp, like the alarm clock.

My kid has the same problem, but she's 9.
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I saw him in the hallway on Monday. Nice kid. Said hows it going to e before heading off to the parking lot. He's listed at 6'2 but he doesnt really appear it. I saw his tattoos pretty sick if you ask me but then again Im a tattoo addict.
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25yearfan,Sep 22 2010
02:48 PM

Probably meant he didn't oversleep - even so, do we figure he's just a bad judge of how long it takes to get ready / get to the rink?


Part if his bad reputation is being late to or missing practice...and being late for the team bus (per the link I posted)...which is why I find these TWO instances @ camp completely unacceptable.

This is the big leagues kid...either u want it or u don't :dontknow:
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If the kid has the potential to be a top 10 talent (now THINK about what that says) then it is up to us as an organization to do everything we can to correct his immaturity and get him to play.

If this is what we signed Doug Weight for then Dougie better earn his keep.

And by the way, with the influx of Russian players we now have in the system and that number will surely grow, why the hell didn't we look for a respected Russian vet with something left in the tank that could speak the language, understand the mentality of and mentor these Russian kids? Or even hire an assistant coach (or for that matter, a "special assistant?) Hell, the Yankees hired an Asian scout a decade ago and look how that paid off for them (alright, they have money to burn so probably a bad example, but you get the point).

Oh, I forgot, that is forward thinking and we don't do that.
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I have complete faith in Scott Gordon....I thought kabanov was living with cairns? why doesn't cairns kick his a** out of bed?
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I have complete faith in Scott Gordon....I thought kabanov was living with cairns? why doesn't cairns kick his a** out of bed?

Aint Cairns' responsibility to get Kabanov's ass out of bed.
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Botta's take...right on the money !!!

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4:00 pm: In a total of ten days of training camps - five with the rookies, five with the main squad - the Islanders have endured two days in which the main storyline was the same 18-year-old arriving late to practice. Otherwise, Kirill Kabanov has arrived exactly as advertised.



Kabanov’s second lateness came the morning after the Islanders hosted a well-executed Media Day and celebrated the signing of character-rich 2010 first pick Nino Niederreiter. What a shame. Now it’s time for the Islanders to send the 2010 third round pick back to his junior club in Moncton.



They don’t need Kabanov, and - until he matures - they don’t need the kid anywhere near the Coliseum’s front lawn. The team still has more than the 40 players needed to play its split-squad games. Casey Cizikas, who has worked so hard to get his life in order after an event none of us can comprehend, was shipped to the Ontario Hockey League before the Islanders’ main training camp ever started. After being late for the second time in ten days, what’s Kabanov still doing on Long Island?



If you really want to treat this as a cold, hard business where talent trumps character, look at it this way: it’s not like the gifted Kabanov has wowed anyone. On the ice, he’s been merely fine.



Off the ice, right now he’s a con man. Make that a con boy. The media can be amused by him; anyone around the Islanders should not be. On the slow second day of the NHL Draft in June, Kabanov charmed us all with his enthusiasm, smile and promises that he “wasn’t a devil, but an angel” and would show his gratitude to the Islanders by staying on the straight and narrow. Just because everyone enjoyed the interview doesn’t mean everyone bought in. Just because he’s not the devil doesn’t mean he is without demons.



It’s a lot easier to be cute more than two months before you have to skate for two hours a day under the groin-busting, if not ball-busting, Scott Gordon.



Whatever you do, don’t blame Eric Cairns. As a scout and player development staffer, Cairns does his best to stay on top of prospects, help them develop as players and men, maybe even scare a few of them straight. But at the end of the day, Cairns cannot be a full-time babysitter. At the end of the night, it’s up to Kabanov to decide how he wants to spend it.



Make no mistake, Kabanov deserves a year or two of chances to overcome his. But he has not earned the privilege of playing a hockey game over the next week alongside Streit, Tavares, Okposo, Bailey and DiPietro in a New York Islanders uniform before New York Islanders fans.



Late twice in the first ten days of his pro career? The Islanders have had a few troubled souls and wacky characters on their roster the last two decades; I don’t recall anything like this. Today’s 30-minute bag skate (with pushups!) a punishment? You’ve got to be kidding. Kabanov is a hockey player. Deny him the ice. Deny him entry into the locker room.



Garth Snow and Charles Wang knew exactly what they were getting when they made the decision to draft Kabanov. By one agent’s count, he has been through eight representatives in three years. (In almost every case, the agent walked away from Kabanov).



You do not have to be close to the Country to make the educated leap that the drafting of Kabanov is one of the reasons why the Islanders no longer employ a Director of Amateur Scouting. Until Kabanov goofs his way out of hockey, I’ll side with Snow and Wang on this draft pick. However, it’s not hard to envision a new wave scout, but old school-raised hockey person like Ryan Jankowski being uncomfortable with the idea of bringing a flake like Kabanov around the slow and steady rebuild.



Even after today’s second strike, the Kabanov pick was the right decision. For the Islanders to ever contend again, they need to get lucky on low-risk, high-reward dice rolls like the drafting of a wild child. But if Snow, Wang and Scott Gordon really believe it’s not potentially damaging to have Kabanov around the rest of their franchise’s young players…



Never mind. I have no doubt they do. Like the Prodigal Son, Kabanov deserves the half-dozen chances he’ll get. He should always be welcomed back with open arms until the Islanders decide whether he has earned an Entry Level Contract. But for now, unless the Islanders have serious personal reasons to want to keep an eye on their investment, it’s time to send an immediate message and dispatch Kirill the Pill to the Quebec League.



Despite the news of the last ten days, you hope coach Danny Flynn and the Moncton Wildcats are still willing to take him back.
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Botta does have a point but all we Islanders fans should read about and latch onto from that entry is this paragraph...

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You do not have to be close to the Country to make the educated leap that the drafting of Kabanov is one of the reasons why the Islanders no longer employ a Director of Amateur Scouting. Until Kabanov goofs his way out of hockey, I’ll side with Snow and Wang on this draft pick. However, it’s not hard to envision a new wave scout, but old school-raised hockey person like Ryan Jankowski being uncomfortable with the idea of bringing a flake like Kabanov around the slow and steady rebuild.



We knew this. Jankowski disagreed with drafting this kid. But Garth and Wang thought otherwise and in the end, it could have cost Jankowski his job. Unless of course it was just another cost cutting measure.

What you can take away from this is simple. NO Islanders employee has full 100% confidence in their job to fulfill their requirements because the ultimate say and final word some from the top.

That, absolutely SUCKS if you ask me. Would a chef at a restaurant allow the owner to make days special?

I still cannot understand how we have fans who cream at the thought of Wang being a capable NHL owner or much less feel sorry for the guy based on the propaganda they release. This team is toast as long as he's here making hockey decisions.

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stevedepot,Sep 23 2010
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Botta does have a point but all we Islanders fans should read about and latch onto from that entry is this paragraph...

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You do not have to be close to the Country to make the educated leap that the drafting of Kabanov is one of the reasons why the Islanders no longer employ a Director of Amateur Scouting. Until Kabanov goofs his way out of hockey, I’ll side with Snow and Wang on this draft pick. However, it’s not hard to envision a new wave scout, but old school-raised hockey person like Ryan Jankowski being uncomfortable with the idea of bringing a flake like Kabanov around the slow and steady rebuild.





I don't wanna latch onto that...I'm more interested in his opinion about what should be done with Kabanov. But I'll give u props for yet another smooth segue into a riff about management.

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If I had a nickle...... :P


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I have to agree, send him packing for the year and let it be a lesson to the kid. We don't need head problems at this stage of the game for our team.

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Strang's note for the day mention that he is the only one on the ice today....working one on one with Jack Capuano.
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sybo,Sep 23 2010
02:42 PM
Strang's note for the day mention that he is the only one on the ice today....working one on one with Jack Capuano.

Sounds like more punishments or more of a chance because they view him as a work in process.

I hope that at the very least, should he not work out, he has value as a trade chip but we're a long ways away from that.

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sybo,Sep 23 2010
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Strang's note for the day mention that he is the only one on the ice today....working one on one with Jack Capuano.

was he late again?
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sybo,Sep 23 2010
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Strang's note for the day mention that he is the only one on the ice today....working one on one with Jack Capuano.

Sounds like more punishments or more of a chance because they view him as a work in process.

I hope that at the very least, should he not work out, he has value as a trade chip but we're a long ways away from that.

Maybe they should get him a therapist or some Ritalin or something... it would be wise to get this boy turned around sooner than later.
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but how can you not be excited about DiPietro…Robert Nilsson…Ryan O'Marra…Petteri Nokelainen…Jeremy Colliton…Kyle Okposo…Blake Comeau…Sean Bergenheim…Chris Campoli…and so many others.
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sybo,Sep 23 2010
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Strang's note for the day mention that he is the only one on the ice today....working one on one with Jack Capuano.

was he late again?

yesterday yes.

No one is skating today...it's a meeting day with a special power play scrimmage tonight. The only one on the ice today is the young head case w/ coach Jack.
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sybo,Sep 23 2010
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stevedepot,Sep 23 2010
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sybo,Sep 23 2010
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Strang's note for the day mention that he is the only one on the ice today....working one on one with Jack Capuano.

Sounds like more punishments or more of a chance because they view him as a work in process.

I hope that at the very least, should he not work out, he has value as a trade chip but we're a long ways away from that.

Maybe they should get him a therapist or some Ritalin or something... it would be wise to get this boy turned around sooner than later.

I'm still glad they used a 3rd rounder on him. The risk was well worth it.
It's not like we had a first round pick and the rest of our draft sucked.

As for keeping him around, I think they should have made a bigger example of him and then let him watch the next game from up top.

Then see what kind of character/fire he has in next practice/scrimmage/game.
If he shows nothing, return him and start all over next year.

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stevedepot,Sep 23 2010
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sybo,Sep 23 2010
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Strang's note for the day mention that he is the only one on the ice today....working one on one with Jack Capuano.

Sounds like more punishments or more of a chance because they view him as a work in process.

I hope that at the very least, should he not work out, he has value as a trade chip but we're a long ways away from that.

Maybe they should get him a therapist or some Ritalin or something... it would be wise to get this boy turned around sooner than later.

I'm still glad they used a 3rd rounder on him. The risk was well worth it.
It's not like we had a first round pick and the rest of our draft sucked.

As for keeping him around, I think they should have made a bigger example of him and then let him watch the next game from up top.

Then see what kind of character/fire he has in next practice/scrimmage/game.
If he shows nothing, return him and start all over next year.

This guy is a scrub and wont turn around IMO. Too many years of deviant behavior will keep this guy in the 'enigmatic' class of other russian athletes. But I agree it was still a good risk to take. Just because your young doesn't make you stupid, but he acts stupidly when there is so much to lose. His actions make no sense even for an immature guy. He needs a therapist and drugs.
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Czerkawski fell asleep in a meeting. He led our team in scoring and contributed offensively for a good time. Federov and Kasparaitis and even Pavel Bure had issues. Drunk driving, legal problems, discipline issues, sure. You work with them and hope for the best. If Kabanov has the talent to make the NHL, this year, next or down the line, you make it work.You drop him because he has attitude issues, well, then Buffalo ends up with Hasek instead of Chicago.
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stevedepot,Sep 23 2010
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sybo,Sep 23 2010
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Strang's note for the day mention that he is the only one on the ice today....working one on one with Jack Capuano.

Sounds like more punishments or more of a chance because they view him as a work in process.

I hope that at the very least, should he not work out, he has value as a trade chip but we're a long ways away from that.

trade him to the khl for Petrov lol
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