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| Draft Pick Order Watch; How will it play out? | |
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| Tavarizard | Apr 13 2010, 11:11 PM Post #161 |
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I agree with most of what you said in your post, before this. I usually tend to understand where you're coming from, but to propose that we put out a defensive corps with three rookies and a player without a full season of experience is beyond foolish. Any team that expects to be competitive plays two rookie defensemen at most, and even then that's pushing it. de Haan still needs at least another season in juniors/AHL before he's gonna be ready for the big show. Hamonic may or may not be ready, and we'll know where he stands come training camp. The only lock of the three rookies you propose us playing would be Fowler, and we don't even have him. And to think that any of those three will step up and have a greater impact than Jack Hillen (who was arguably our second best defenseman all year) is doing Hillen an injustice. Frankly, with the lack of experience in the squad you propose we throw out there, we'd probably end up with a defense even more inept than this years. Roloson wouldn't appreciate it, and we'd probably get blown out most games. Not to mention what kind of problems this would create for the development of players such as de Haan or Hillen (who miraculously went from 20 minutes a game to the bench). |
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| bumpkin | Apr 14 2010, 02:59 AM Post #162 |
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With DeHaan and Hamonic coming soon(2011), I would argue that we need a forward. A big one, but with wheels AND soft hands. |
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| Jackace | Apr 14 2010, 07:10 AM Post #163 |
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With the number of high end picks this draft and the high picks the last 2 years I'm really hopeful Snow starts to add some FA players. It seems there is decent depth if some of these guys pan out. Not that I'm losing patience with the rebuild, but the time has come to sign quality players and allow the young assets to develop in the minors. This rebuild cant last forever. |
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| 4CUPZ | Apr 14 2010, 07:25 AM Post #164 |
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HEAD OF SECURITY
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| Jackace | Apr 14 2010, 09:24 AM Post #165 |
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| puckhead | Apr 14 2010, 09:31 AM Post #166 |
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Don't hold your breath, Jack on free agency......because I sure as hell aint. This franchise historically has never gone after high end players on July 1 and I'm not expecting that to change. |
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| carbons2k | Apr 14 2010, 09:35 AM Post #167 |
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VIVA LAS VEGAS
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not to mention the countless posts of people putting lines together with players we dont even have! |
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| Jackace | Apr 14 2010, 12:02 PM Post #168 |
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Historically you are right. And I'm certainly not looking for a significant splash making them contenders. But just to get to the cap floor will require a signing if he lets the dead wood go. Getting a Martin from the Devs would be an upgrade and the $$ wouldn't seem significantly higher than the salaries lost (significant I would say 2-3m per year) I also wouldn't discount a trade, either. But I agree that we wont be major players for the major UFAs yet, for Snow has stated repeatedly that this is to build a franchise for long term success (i.e. lots of top heavy draft picks over several years). At least that is what my interpretation is of his plan. I really dont think he will totally sit on his hands this off-season. My amateur prediction is that Garth will take a D-man in the 5th spot and sign a veteran D-man to mentor deHaan and Fowler(if he is still there). |
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| IronIslander77 | Apr 14 2010, 12:13 PM Post #169 |
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One thing I've learned since Snow took over as GM is not to predict what he will do at the draft. Aside from selecting Tavares which was a No Brainer- everything else he has done - from moving down for Bailey to moving up for DeHaan and selecting a couple of goalies in the 2nd round - has been unpredictable and questionable. I have no idea who they'll target in this deep draft. Just going to hope they do as well as they did with the 7th overall a few years ago when they selected Okposo. |
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| Jackace | Apr 14 2010, 12:38 PM Post #170 |
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very true |
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| Rub Ur Ducky | Apr 14 2010, 07:07 PM Post #171 |
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I think the 2 defensemen will be gone. And yes the isles havent gone after the big free agents.. But even if they do, do the big free agents wana come to the islanders? Not sure they do |
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| 3POTI | Apr 14 2010, 07:11 PM Post #172 |
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Bring back...PRIDE OF THE ISLAND
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um, I don't think snow drafted okposo.. |
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| Man in the Box | Apr 19 2010, 10:37 AM Post #173 |
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neil smith drafted kyle |
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| tsharaf | May 6 2010, 12:55 AM Post #174 |
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ESPN Mock Draft This is the third 2010 NHL mock draft we've offered; in the last one, in late March, the trio of Taylor Hall, Tyler Seguin and Eric Gudbranson went 1-2-3. That stays the same in this edition. A few weeks back I was asked where the drop in talent falls in this draft. At the time I said it was a five-deep draft or seven-deep if you count the Russians (Vladimir Tarasenko and Evgeni Kuznetsov). That's true as far as it goes. More fairly, I think there's a drop after the top two, then a drop after the No. 6 pick (or, if you're Russian-friendly, No. 8). There's probably not a lot of difference between, say, who you'll get at No. 9 and at No. 16. That is, No. 16 has as much of a chance to be a first-line player as No. 9. In the 20s, you'll get a question mark thrown in with every pick and you're in the territory of second-line upside. If you were to get someone there who develops into a first-line player it would be a big win. And the difference between the player you get at No. 20 and No. 40 might be marginal. The U.S. won the world under-18s in Minsk but didn't really get a breakout performance from any of the forwards in the USDT program. (Austin Watson did play for the Americans but he only joined the team prior to the tournament, after Peterborough was knocked out of the OHL playoffs.) All year long NHL scouts have been impressed by the U.S. blue line and the top two prospects there, Derek Forbort and Jonathan Merrill, raised their stock. The two other prominent American D-men (Jarred Tinordi and Stephen Johns) firmed up their top-50 status but probably did not show enough high-end skill to move up into the top 25. Note: The draft order is still fluid at this point of the playoffs. Those teams that make the conference finals will make up the final four slots, with the Cup runner-up No. 29 and the Cup winner No. 30. For our purposes here I've gone with the chalk and put those teams with the best regular-season records into the third round and have made it San Jose over Pittsburgh in the final, again based solely on record. Enjoy -- and be sure to check out the NHL draft blog consistently leading up to the proceedings. Edmonton Oilers Taylor Hall , LW, Windsor (OHL) A scout recently told me that one of his counterparts in Boston was talking openly about "knowing" that Edmonton is going to take Tyler Seguin with its first pick, leaving the Bruins with Hall as a consolation prize. I have my doubts. I have to believe that either the Oilers are floating misinformation about their intentions or the Bruins are having a bit of fun by stirring the pot. Hall was the best talent coming into this season and the best at its conclusion, regardless of NHL Central Scouting's selection of Seguin as the No. 1 in North America. In the playoffs, with Windsor rallying from three games down in the best of seven in the conference finals against Kitchener, Hall has only strengthened his case and made Edmonton's choice easier. Hall's Alberta roots make this pick even sweeter. Boston Bruins Tyler Seguin, C, Plymouth (OHL)Seguin struggled to generate offense in Plymouth's series with Windsor, but you can put it down to the Whalers just being outmanned. Otherwise, his season was a resounding success. He made huge strides in the season. It might turn out that he's Matt Duchene to Hall's John Tavares. It might be that Seguin, like Duchene, has only started to tap into his talent in two major junior seasons, while the late-birthday Hall -- like Tavares -- possesses much more experience at the same level and is farther along the development curve. The strides that Seguin made this season are remarkable; nobody tabbed him in the race for the top pick a year ago. Florida Panthers Eric Gudbranson, D, Kingston (OHL) Scouts panned Gudbranson's performance at the world under-18s in Minsk, but will probably cut him some slack on that count. It's easy to believe that Gudbranson's midseason bout with mono caught up to him overseas. It was also a case of a brutal team dragging him down. If Boston were to go (slightly) out of the box, the Bruins could look at him at No. 2; they have done workups on him. Likely, though, he'll still be available for the Panthers at No. 3. Some might question if he has the power-play upside to separate himself from Gormley and Fowler. Bonus: Right-handed shot. Columbus Blue Jackets Cam Fowler, D, Windsor (OHL) Fowler has looked a little scattered in his own end recently. He's easily the best skater of the top three D prospects -- but he's also the one that ranks lowest among them on reading the game and playing without the puck. Fowler (or any of the other top D-men) would fill a crying need for Columbus if development unfolds as expected. The Jackets have a decent prospect pool up front (all the more if they can ever get Nikita Filatov back), including picking up D John Moore last year in the first round. He looks as though he'll have NHL game, though not with the offensive potential that Fowler (or Gormley) has. New York Islanders Brandon Gormley, D, Moncton (Quebec Major Junior League) The Isles have had 11 picks in the top three rounds of the last two drafts and GM Garth Snow has shown a willingness -- or even eagerness -- to make bold moves on draft day, whether it's moving down to add picks or up to get a player that his scouts have targeted. I'd say it's no better than a 50-50 pick that the Isles will be picking in this slot. If they do, the easiest thing would be to project the Isles opting for the top D-man not selected in the top four. Scouts love Gormley's hockey sense; on that count he ranks the highest of the top three D prospects. Either Gudbranson or Fowler might be a better fit. There's some overlap with Gormley's game and that of last year's No. 12 overall pick by the Isles, Calvin de Haan of the Oshawa Generals (OHL). |
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| tsharaf | Jun 1 2010, 06:22 AM Post #175 |
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More draft analysis..... Hockey Independent |
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| clebo99 | Jun 1 2010, 07:43 AM Post #176 |
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Why do I think that they are going to trade down for Connelly? |
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| tsharaf | Jun 5 2010, 05:34 PM Post #177 |
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BD Gallof I find it interesting that only Columbus and the Islanders are scheduled for visits with Gudbranson thus far. Gudbranson would easily be my pick. If not he, then Connolly. Garth needs to strongly consider trading up because I do not believe Gudbranson will be available @5. That extra point in that last meanlingless game will cost us as I stated back then. I would like someone to tell me about "competition" if we get a Fowler (another de Haan) or Connolly (who despite his talent, has some people nervous with his hip injury). |
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| Westfall18 | Jun 6 2010, 02:17 PM Post #178 |
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If we take Conolly..this draft was a failure. plain and simple. Great kid, great attitude..but that injury alone would scare me off.. |
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| JBlake55 | Jun 6 2010, 03:41 PM Post #179 |
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Jason who?
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damn dude give the kid a chance. a lot of people said that 2 years ago when we drafted bailey. if fowler and gudbranson are gone i wouldn't mind them taking connolly over gormley. They could always trade down and take el nino. oddly enough i haven't heard of any of the top 5 guys visiting florida. maybe a trade is in the works? |
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| JBlake55 | Jun 6 2010, 03:44 PM Post #180 |
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Jason who?
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one more thing on connolly. its not like he's an old man. hes an 18 year old kid and kids tend to heal up quicker than say a 28 year old goaltender.
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