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| James Wisniewski Traded To Montreal; For Draft Picks | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 28 2010, 04:43 PM (1,937 Views) | |
| 3POTI | Dec 28 2010, 07:31 PM Post #41 |
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Bring back...PRIDE OF THE ISLAND
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no reason to be confused sir...once we were able to see him in person and get to know him, you could see that he really didn't have much to offer us..how many times did he miss the net? how many times was he out of position? when was the last time that he threw a big check for our team? when was the last time that he fought to support his teammates? yeah sure the guy has alot of assists, big woo..individual statistics..He was great very early in the season..then he gets that suspension, and he wasn't the same since..probably figured that the islanders never get any calls or support, and wanted out of here fast to save his career..there hope I cleared it up for you..
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| Islander4cups | Dec 28 2010, 07:36 PM Post #42 |
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In Garth I Trust
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Yes. I'd take him next year. We had him playing 1 dman role and he isn't. Plus he didnt get to play w streit on the pp. I'd like to see wiz play 2nd pair d with Macd&streit the first pair. Put wiz with hamonic & dehaan can be brought along slowly with eaton in the final pairing. When u consider he was playing pp/pk & top dman min, that is a big jumP to make |
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| 25yearfan | Dec 28 2010, 07:44 PM Post #43 |
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You can call me Joe.
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If they ever make that deal, you can certainly take credit for it. |
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| MNIslander13 | Dec 28 2010, 08:06 PM Post #44 |
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No I in team, but there is an "m,e".
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Really. |
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| MNIslander13 | Dec 28 2010, 08:14 PM Post #45 |
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No I in team, but there is an "m,e".
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For Rolie's sake, I hope he get's traded. I didn't bother with last night's "big rivalry game", seems I didn't miss anything. But even tho #30 didn't to do well (or get any help), he's still be the best thing going on this "team". Seriously thinking about dumping the Center Ice package. This "team" isn't worth it.
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| oldislesfan | Dec 28 2010, 08:27 PM Post #46 |
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Sorry guy, but there's no such thing as "dumping center ice". You signed for it, you got it, period. They got you by the hairs. I know I tried, and they got me too. :angry: |
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| MNIslander13 | Dec 28 2010, 08:48 PM Post #47 |
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No I in team, but there is an "m,e".
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For next year. It's still good for the playoffs (of the games that don't make vs or nbc)
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| rst033 | Dec 28 2010, 09:36 PM Post #48 |
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I just have a feeling if the Islanders acquired Crosby & Phaneuf on same day most of you would smack yourselves on the forehead and lament the Islanders gave up this or that and this organization is the worst in the history of pro sports Look the Islanders did not give up Denis Potvin today they gave up a player who is 26 and playing for his 4th NHL team-something should be said about that. I don't like what Wang and Snow have done to this point. But Mike Milbury milburied the team with horrible drafts and horrible trades. Granted Garth Snow (the former back up goalie) has no track record or experience being a NHL exec but so far the Islanders are starting to collect some really good prospects. The Islanders are building from the ground up and you have a GM that seems to patient. what was Wisniewski's trade value? did he fit into the long term plans of this team? who else wanted to make a deal for him? was this trade in the works for weeks? do the picks give you more flexibility in terms of the quality of the draft or future trading chips? and would Wisniewski walk at the end of 2011? it could be that if Snow has a deal for Roloson it should bring back a few players and inoder to make room......... |
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| rifleman22 | Dec 28 2010, 09:38 PM Post #49 |
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All Star
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I was not impressed with him at all. From the suspension for the "blow me" gesture to average play at best. I guess when you get the free agent scraps this is what you end up with. Unfortunately, he was also tied for the point lead on this team and at least stayed healthy. But the first part of that is more a result of how poor we are than how good he is (or was). I will reserve judgement until I see where this ultimately gets us. If there is a method to this I don't see it, but maybe there is. Who knows anymore? |
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| Overspeed | Dec 28 2010, 09:40 PM Post #50 |
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RST you rely on "IF" & "When" alot, all of us have been waiting for that "IF" & "When" moment for 10 yrs. Fans like you are what continues to give Wang/Snow some leeway. "See Charles, we can fool some of the people, all of the time" "You're right Garth!" Method to the madness, we will see what we get in the end, there has to be a good reason, lets be patient, wait until July....is this 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 or almost 2011....look back this has been a common theme of the optimists for years. Its never going to happen with Snow and Wang. |
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| stevedepot | Dec 28 2010, 09:50 PM Post #51 |
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Good grief....reading some of the stuff just makes you wonder. This Isles team, even though it's going nowhere, cannot afford to bump everyone up on defense by giving them more icetime and responsibility. They aren't ready for it yet. We are so weak on defense. Better off keeping Wisnewski till the deadline. You also send a terrible message to STH's and the fanbase. It's not like we had a healthy Streit playing with Kaberle as the top pair and Wisnewski was on 2nd pairing. He was being used as our number one because we had NO ONE ELSE to do so. Throwing someone else in the fire now can only risk hurting them more than giving them "experience". It's also not this one trade alone, this one move alone and us idiots analyzing/debating the trade in terms of "value". It's the idiots in the front office for this team that continue to lie to us while pulling off mind numbing personnel moves. This is simply a joke and I'm shocked by some of what I'm reading. |
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| dragoneye | Dec 28 2010, 10:01 PM Post #52 |
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Kung Fu Hockey
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I was hoping to see him paired with Streit before sending him off. Maybe this means that Streit coming back this year (for any length of time) is not gonna happen. Pure speculation, but isn't that why he was brought in? |
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| MNIslander13 | Dec 28 2010, 10:23 PM Post #53 |
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No I in team, but there is an "m,e".
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Hasn't that message already been sent? (over and over and over )
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| Islander4cups | Dec 28 2010, 10:26 PM Post #54 |
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In Garth I Trust
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rst... lets remember something. No one else might have been offering anything because the trade deadline is still 2 months away. I'm not saying that getting a 2011 2nd rounder and a 2012 5th rounder is bad value for Wiz. I'm saying it is BAD VALUE for our needs in December 2010. Just here me out... We have the following dmen with under 3 nhl seasons- Hillen, Hamonic, MacDonald (and Gervais who plays like he does). We have young talented forwards like Moulson, Tavares, Okposo and Bailey with no TALENTED physical veteran presence to play with any of them. So are Mark Eaton, who was a 3rd pairing dman in Pitt and Jurcina, who couldn't catch on in Boston or Washington, the veterans you want leading your young defensemen into the future? This team desperately needs a veteran presences that has SKILL, either on the blueline or the forward line. I'm not saying we will get a top 2 dman for Wiz or a top 6 forward, but do we really need to load up on another 2nd round pick while providing nothing for the likes of Okposo, Tavares, Hamonic, MacDonald for the next 2-3 seasons? Yes, Garth got more for Wiz (2nd and a 5th) than he paid (3rd). And perhaps it was more than he would have gotten at the deadline. I don't see Garth getting better picks than that. However, I would have settled for a LEGIT third line player to show our scrubs on third and 4th line how it is done. Maybe its just me. IDK. But Wiz is a decent dman. He was being stretched way too thin on this team being asked to do everything. If the Isles resigned him, we could have looked at a starting defenive 6 as... Streit-MacD Wiz- Hamonic Eaton-deHaan (or Jurchina if deHaan is at the Bridge) with the following as reserves...Jurcina, Hillen, Gervais. Your PP would have Streit and Wiz at the point. Your 1st PK could have MacD and Eaton on it. That would likely be the best d corps we've had since Stirling was on LI. Plus, each kid could be sheppared by a veteran. Instead, we are looking at getting by more with kids and no one to show them the ropes...not just for the rest of this season, but for next season as well. That is why I'm angry with this deal. Our need is a veteran who can play and can teach the kids. Weight can't do that. He's hurt. Same w/ Hunter. Sim never could because he never learned himself. How is this deal filling that role...which is our biggest need? just my 2 cents. If this deal was made within a week or two of the deadline, I'd get it. In December, I don't. |
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| Islander4cups | Dec 28 2010, 10:34 PM Post #55 |
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amen and that is what concerns me most. Is MacD going to play top 2 minutes with Eaton? Jrcina?? or god forbid Hamonic? The kid has only been up a month and now he's going to play top 2 minutes? Brilliant. The other thing to consider is this... Yes, we just got blown out in a lousy effort v. the Rags, but we just had our best stretch of play (4 games) since Oct. So immediately after that blowout we have this trigger pulled? If there isn't another move to follow, I'll be shocked. Personally, I could have seen a packaging of Rolie and Wiz to a team like the Caps looking for backline help and goaltending and those two alone (neither of which I thought would resign with us) could have fetched us a good veteran player and a middle pick. Just not liking how we are leaving our kids exposed. |
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| OlTimeHockey | Dec 29 2010, 03:13 AM Post #56 |
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Snow made a move. Are we better now? No? Oh.....so when have we improved under him? We added Smyth. That's it. Everything else he's done trade wise has made us regress exponentially. If another Kool Aid'er wants to point to Moulson, then point to the other stabs in the dark he's made. Please. Of course we're $15M under the cap with tomorrow's roster. |
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"clearly it's Rick DiPietro's stupidity that's put the islanders in this situation getting into an altercation when a game was over..." Keith Jones on VS "But the Coliseum became a repository for all the team's troubles, a convenient scapegoat. There were suggestions that no major free agent ever would set foot in such a decrepit place. We have two words for anyone making that argument: Fenway Park. History says free agents would play in an old boxcar if they got enough money and had a chance to win." - Mark Herrmann 查理斯 · 請死你混蛋 | |
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| #19Trotts | Dec 29 2010, 05:57 AM Post #57 |
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Well if you've not noticed it before, both Hamonic and A-Mac are already being given top-2 minutes. Here are the D's average time on ice over our last six games, since when we began winning again until our embarrasing loss the other night. Andy MacDonald: 23:09 (6 games) James Wisniewski: 21:44 (6) Travis Hamonic: 21:40 (6) Mark Eaton: 19:18 (4) Radek Martinek: 19:17 (3) Milan Jurcina: 15:49 (6) Jack Hillen: 14:22 (5) Bruno Gervais: 8:35 (2) As you can see A-Mac and Hamonic are Capuanos 1st choice already. Our powerplay has given Wiz his extra minutes and with Martinek once back again it's pretty obvious how our pairings could look like. Hamonic - A-Mac Eaton - Martinek Jurcina - Hillen |
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| rst033 | Dec 29 2010, 07:13 AM Post #58 |
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dude every time the Islanders gave up a soft goal who was on the ice? the wiz that's who. imo the team is better off without Wiz and it's debatable IF the Islanders would have gotten more value at the deadline. if anything the value would have been less because the wiz could walk after the season rendering the Islanders nothing as an Islander fan it's easier to be one when they're winning, and I know for a few years they've kind of become the Pittsburgh Pirates or KC Royals of the NHL and I agree hiring the back up goalie to be your GM makes it appear you're not a serious owner BUT let's all remember the all stars Mike Milbury traded away-all the european prospects that never made it over the atlantic ocean the Nabokov for Dumont deals or potentially having Loungno in net and Chara playing in front of Roberto these are monumental errors that result in more losing and more rebuillding- the Islanders need to rebuild the core of the team that core is struggling because it is young. this Islander team is a text book example of when you rebuild-for a month they'll get shellacked and the next month they'll look like no one can beat them I say enjoy the ride I wonder what other kid at Bridge (Wes O'Niell) will be here to get a crack at the NHL and that cup of coffee that could be a solid contributer there you go solid contributor something the wiz was not nice move by Snow and now after a month Caps has been the HC and this is the 1st guy they get rid of |
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| #19Trotts | Dec 29 2010, 09:32 AM Post #59 |
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Maybe he wanted out b/c his WizWear collection didn't sell as good as he hoped in NYC. :rolleyes: |
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| Islander4cups | Dec 29 2010, 09:46 AM Post #60 |
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sorry rst but that comment has me shaking my head. This idea that you keep loading up your team with kids and HOPE THEY PROGRESS without veteran leadership is crazy. I can throw a bunch of ingredients in a bowl and chuck it in the oven, but if I don't have THE RIGHT ingredients and if I haven't prepared those ingredients correctly, I don't want to eat what exits that oven. You can eat it. From the above comment, you might already be (j.k) Look at the progress we've seen from Tavares and Bailey. Bailey was sent to the minors in year 3. How is that progress? How is he developing? Bailey is a player who can net 20+ and 60 points a year. When he was drafted, and we've seen flashes of this in his time on LI, his biggest skill is his passing. Well, here he is in year 3 and who the FFFF does he have to pass to on his line? Seriously, who is the finisher? Franz Fracking Nilssen? Are you kidding me? Here we are in Tavares' second season. Who have we added to his line? PA Papsmear? A Rangers' 4th liner they chose not to resign.Are you going to let these two nuggets of your "player development" continue to wither on the vine because we couldn't bring in a Recchi or an Umburger type to help them along the way? What happens in year 4 and 5 of their nhl careers when they are still playing with the Richard Parks, PA Papsmears and Franz Neilssen's of the world? You think it bodes well for this organization to screw up a John Tavares? Do you think him having to wait another 2-3 seasons for the arrival of Nino Nieder or our 2011 2nd round pick is going to help his development...or Bailey's? There is nothing wrong with stockpiling young talent in and of itself. But our player development has been TERRIBLE. And part of that has been not having the right vets to bring kids along. Do you think it is a concidence that Trent Hunter's best seasons were his first three when he had veteran leadership THAT COULD PLAY on this team to play with? I'll ask again... Who is the on ice leader that is bringing along the likes of Bailey, Tavares, Moulson, Hamonic, MacDonald??? Who is the vet presence that is going to help Matt Martin realize and play like the kid who can be more than a 4th liner (which I think he can easily be)? Who is the veteran that can help Grabner to become more than just the fastest skater on the ice? The kid has ridiculous wheels and good hands. He can develop into a decent player. But who is Grabner learning from right now? Schremp? Rob hasn't learned yet that all his fancy stickhandling needs to create space for himself. So when you explain to me who is going to help these kids to improve, I'll look at the trade as being a good one. As I mentioned before, getting what he got for Wiz wasn't bad as far as value goes, but we don't need extra picks when the kids we have now are STARVING for veteran leadership. That is a more pressing need. |
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