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| James Wisniewski Traded To Montreal; For Draft Picks | |
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| Shooter | Dec 29 2010, 11:39 AM Post #61 |
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Steve, it's not their fault. They've been subjected to embarrassing management decisions and terrible hockey for so long some think Jon Sim is a wonderful player because "he hustles." Or Bruno Gervais was going to be an all star someday because he looks pretty in commercials or PU should be a first line line player because he scored a goal from a sharp angle on the PP or ...etc, You get the picture. It's an endless cast of characters taken in to just meet the min. payroll. Bring the college radio station in with interns. Demand experience for the Sparky role. Cupcakes on sale! Parking increased to $10. Tickets increased after a horrific season. Demand the last dollar left out of the last hard core fan. But it comes down to one thing -- the damn building. It's the damn building's fault. No one will play here because of the damn building. In fact, I thought I heard Wiz say that as he was shown the door. "Glad I'm not playing in that damn building..." Or was it something like this, "I'm glad I'm out of a poorly run organization..." The circus continues. The fans dwindle. But there will be the kool aid drinkers who are anticipating a playoff run in 2020. Pile up the draft picks! What a party we are going to have in June!!!!!!!!! |
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| Overspeed | Dec 29 2010, 01:17 PM Post #62 |
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Exactly, its not the building its the circus organization and clowns that run it, that is why noone signs here. Keep drinking the Kool Aid some of you, Wang enjoys pocketing your money, almost as much as the Kool Aiders enjoy cheering each & every stupid move. |
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| 19! | Dec 29 2010, 02:05 PM Post #63 |
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How dare you put down management and the fans that believe them. Don't you know that they recently spent a fortune (to them) on a brand spanking new microwave oven?!!!! :rolleyes: If that isn't committment then what else do you want? :rolleyes: Firesale start, salary dump, the sad reality of the situation where many won't re-sign here or quality vets that won't come in the first place....whatever. ..........and the wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round |
| John Tavares was 2 years old the last time NYI won a playoff series | |
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| carbons2k | Dec 29 2010, 03:30 PM Post #64 |
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Damn.. I liked him. |
| After a narrow victory in 1994, Boston Bruins defenseman Al Iafrate was asked why, in the closing moments of the game, he had fired the puck around the boards rather than into the empty net. His reply? "Empty-net goals are for faggots" | |
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| 25yearfan | Dec 29 2010, 03:35 PM Post #65 |
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You can call me Joe.
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How will we ever replace such a great nickname (and cover art)?
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Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
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| Islander4cups | Dec 29 2010, 03:45 PM Post #66 |
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In Garth I Trust
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That's why they say... NOBODY BEATS THE WIZ!!!! |
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| Webb20 | Dec 29 2010, 03:55 PM Post #67 |
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I always preferred this guy...
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I sold it all, retired and moved to Fabulous Las Vegas! "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."-Ben Franklin "Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves."-Ronald Reagan | |
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| Ozzie307 | Dec 29 2010, 05:18 PM Post #68 |
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From ESPN - I agree with his take for the most part. If we're just looking from a hockey standpoint, whatever your opinion on Wiz is open for discussion but snow needs to make some moves that stick or this will turn into a "merry go round" rebuild. I also feel bad for the STH's...unless there is another move on the horizon but I doubt it. Wiz trade doesn't add up for Isles December, 29, 2010 Dec 2910:28AM ETEmail Print Comments By Mike Hume As you’ve no doubt read by now, the Islanders dealt D James Wisniewski to the Montreal Canadiens for a second-round pick in this coming draft and a conditional fifth-rounder the following year. The move has some Islander fans frustrated that this season's top defenseman -- who was also tied for the team lead in points -- was being shipped out, in December, for more draft picks. Yes, it’s yet another step in a seemingly never-ending rebuilding project, but everyone knows the Islanders aren’t going anywhere in 2010-11, so adding chips for the future makes sense. You can’t fault GM Garth Snow and the Islanders for that. You can, however, fault the team for getting less than top value for one of their most coveted trade assets. And it certainly appears the Islanders sold a little low on Wisniewski. The value of any tradeable asset is always relative to the market and already this season we’ve seen one team trade for an established blueliner, with the Washington Capitals acquiring D Scott Hannan from the Colorado Avalanche. In return for the veteran stay-at-home blueliner the Avs received Tomas Fleischmann one of the top young talents on the Caps’ roster (51 points in 69 games in 2009-10). That’s an NHL-ready contributor who has been a point-per-game player in his 12 games with Colorado. As their career stats indicate, by any points-based comparison Wisniewski (.41 points per game in 286 games) is a better asset than Hannan (.23 ppg in 788 games). And Wisniewski seems to be flourishing with all of the power play time he’s received, already posting a career-best in the power-play points department. Such offensive skills have traditionally improved the value of a player on the trade market, so maybe Wisniewski's defensive shortcomings sapped his stock. Defensive metrics are tricky to pin down and seldom tell an accurate story, but Wisniewski’s +/- was a very suspect minus-18. Pretty wretched. But considering he spent 70 more minutes on the ice than the next closest Islander and his team allowed 3.3 goals per game, while scoring just 2.3, that’s not as terrible as it could be. There are four other skaters and a goalie out there with him after all. For his career, Wisniewski’s +/- stands at plus-1, a figure that stood at plus-19 before he joined the Islanders. Both Wisniewski and Hannan have contracts expiring after this season (as does Fleishmann’s) but Wisniewski is younger and any team acquiring him will have extra time to ink him to an extension, if they so choose (and with injured D Andrei Markov approaching free agency as well, that makes some sense for the Habs). Compared to the Hannan trade it sure seems like the Isles got the short end of the deal, but that’s just one example. Take it back to last season’s trade deadline and the picture doesn’t get much better. Last season, the Isles’ Andy Sutton was dealt for a second-rounder. And while the Islanders may have thought they’d stick to that price range for their top tradeable D commodity this season, it seems the Isles undersold last season as well. Other D-men switching teams at the trade deadline included Joe Corvo and Lubomir Visnovsky. Corvo netted Brian Pothier, a prospect and a pick from the Caps, while Visnovsky (and a sixth-rounder) returned Ryan Whitney. While the Isles acquired Wisniewski for a conditional third-round pick in July, it certainly seems that D-men of Wisniewski’s caliber have yielded NHL-ready contributors in the recent past, which is obviously more than the Islanders received for him yesterday. But a rebuilding team doesn’t necessarily want talent ready to contribute immediately, more or less a pending free agent like Fleischmann, so draft picks make sense. But it’s tough to draw a conclusion until we know the value of a second-round pick. So exactly what is a second-round pick worth? Last season, Alvin Chang of ESPN’s NHL Draft Blog studied that topic after we noticed second-rounders were common coin at the trade deadline. While the Draft Blog is part of ESPN’s Insider package and you may not be able to see it in full, he found that since 1996 second-round picks have a 59-percent chance of reaching the NHL and a 25.8-percent chance of playing more than 82 games. Fifth-rounders? A 9.9-percent chance of playing 82 games in the league. Draft picks are all well and good for rebuilding teams, but the Islanders essentially just traded their biggest chip for two lotto tickets with a 1-in-4 and 1-in-10 chance of winning a player that might give them equal production to Wisniewski. On average since 1996, defensemen taken in the second round average 20.9 points per season, forwards 31.9. Both totals are lower than what Wisniewski puts up on an annual basis. The Islanders would have to hit on both picks in order to better his production levels. GMs have their own math for how they value picks, and I’m no GM, but from our math, this deal doesn’t add up for the Islanders. |
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| 4CUPZ | Dec 29 2010, 05:32 PM Post #69 |
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OBVIOUSLY THEY DONT KNOW HOW THE ISLES ROLL islander second-round picks have a 98-percent chance of reaching the NHL and a 84-percent chance of playing more than 82 games |
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| 25yearfan | Dec 29 2010, 05:46 PM Post #70 |
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I suggested this yesterday - and got smacked down as a "Garff" apologist already -- but I'm Sicilian so here goes anyway. Is a bird in the hand worth two in the bush? ![]() For the record - I don't LIKE the move, and there are probably a dozen other reasons why I would like to see NYI management run out of town by someone who UNDERSTANDS hockey.... BUT The Wiz was on a limited engagement on Hempstead Turnpike, not re-signing (circular logic - see Management, NYI) and it's nowhere near the biggest problem this year, so c'est la vie. |
Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
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| rst033 | Dec 29 2010, 06:28 PM Post #71 |
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Islander4cups don't get me wrong and I agree with you-they player development has been awful. and so has the strength and conditioning. I agree that the front office has neglected the team-and I'm not here to make excuses for them at all but you pull the trigger on the Wisniewski deal because it's addition by subtraction. there where many teams in the market for a defensemen and I really believe the Islanders picked up maximum value for a player Larry David was describe as "eehhhh" Islander fans take a deep breath count to ten and ensure yourselves that the NY Islanders will be A-OK without Wisniewski feel better now?? and I know we need players the Islanders need NHL ready talent to improve the team I get it!! but a step in that direction is rid yourself of a Wisniewski |
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| Islander4cups | Dec 29 2010, 08:45 PM Post #72 |
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Rst. U r making wiz out to be gervais He will more than contribute in mtl & now we play gervais the rest of the year. Wiz is better than u think & when uridine is hurt again... He always is...u have only eaton w experience |
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| stevedepot | Dec 29 2010, 10:14 PM Post #73 |
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All day today I saw alot of posts in many places by Isles fans praising Garth Snow for turning the 3rd round pick we gave up for Wisnewski into a 2nd and 5th. Amazing how Snow still has any support. Wisnewski and his salary needed to be moved from a cap strapped team (Ducks) so a 3rd for his salary at the time was the going rate. So much more I can add but this thread means nothing anymore because he's no longer an Islander and we won a hard fought game against a great team. 25yearfan, love that bird in the hand commercial reference. :lol:
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| 25yearfan | Dec 29 2010, 11:26 PM Post #74 |
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Thanks. I'm here all week. |
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| 19! | Feb 11 2011, 05:59 AM Post #75 |
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Did Wiz diss NYI attendance? He said, it's nice here (Montreal) they sell out and it doesn't matter if it's a Tuesday or a Saturday. |
| John Tavares was 2 years old the last time NYI won a playoff series | |
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| IslandersWin86 | Feb 11 2011, 09:15 AM Post #76 |
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They all do. Koskinen even said he'd love to play in front of that crowd every night. |
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| Islander4cups | Feb 11 2011, 09:57 AM Post #77 |
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MTL also knows they have a team that will make the playoffs every season |
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| 19! | Feb 11 2011, 12:37 PM Post #78 |
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That crowd is amazing. MTL is the best supported team in the league even when they miss the playoffs. They take over many road arenas too. Just look what they did here the past few years. I think Wiz's dig was that NYI's weeknight attendance is so bad. Even worse than the lousy weekend numbers. He said it with a smirk. |
| John Tavares was 2 years old the last time NYI won a playoff series | |
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| OlTimeHockey | Feb 11 2011, 02:23 PM Post #79 |
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Maybe it was a dig a GarfGarf? The players are what they are. They keep fans here, but they can only do so much ("You're playing with Bruno tonight"). Ideally, he's mention Garth and give a trademark gesture, but I think that's be classless. (and heroic) |
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"clearly it's Rick DiPietro's stupidity that's put the islanders in this situation getting into an altercation when a game was over..." Keith Jones on VS "But the Coliseum became a repository for all the team's troubles, a convenient scapegoat. There were suggestions that no major free agent ever would set foot in such a decrepit place. We have two words for anyone making that argument: Fenway Park. History says free agents would play in an old boxcar if they got enough money and had a chance to win." - Mark Herrmann 查理斯 · 請死你混蛋 | |
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