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Where we go from here; Pros and Cons of the whiteout
Topic Started: Feb 27 2011, 01:14 AM (690 Views)
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The first goal of the whiteout was an unmitigated success. SELLOUT. I won't be told otherwise.

I've talked to the PR staff, and there's a plan in place to learn from where things succeeded here and where they went awry. Make no mistake, this was my first rodeo. Not my last. Very proud of the sellout tonight.

I'll give out some details as soon as I can. Announcement to follow within the week, probably with a release from the team.

I'll have my detailed thoughts on this whole process either tonight or tomorrow.

But to everyone that came: I say thank you.

Nothing but love.

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In this space, I'll add those thoughts as soon as I can put them to paper. A lot to digest.
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Vin, you inspired me to go and wear white.
I'm pretty sure the team felt this wasn't worth posting on the main site and promoting because they used this fan organized initiative as measuring stick for something.
Even if they didn't you inspired alot of people on 3 message boards that I know of.

For the game I wasn't thinking about how angry I am at Wang or Snow, I actually enjoyed
60 minutes of hockey in what looked like a packed house. I'd say there were about 1,500
caps fans there. We had at least 14,000 or more Isles fans.
You were responsible for quite a few of them.



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stevedepot,Feb 27 2011
09:21 AM
Vin, you inspired me to go and wear white.
I'm pretty sure the team felt this wasn't worth posting on the main site and promoting because they used this fan organized initiative as measuring stick for something.
Even if they didn't you inspired alot of people on 3 message boards that I know of.

For the game I wasn't thinking about how angry I am at Wang or Snow, I actually enjoyed
60 minutes of hockey in what looked like a packed house. I'd say there were about 1,500
caps fans there. We had at least 14,000 or more Isles fans.
You were responsible for quite a few of them.



:cheers: :WORSHIP: :WORSHIP: :WORSHIP:

Vin...

I hope the WAnger give you your cut or at least a finders fee ;) :P
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WHERE WE GO FROM HERE???

ACTUALLY HAVE PEOPLE WEARING WHITE DURING A WHITE OUT :dontknow:
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4CUPZ,Feb 27 2011
11:54 AM
WHERE WE GO FROM HERE???

ACTUALLY HAVE PEOPLE WEARING WHITE DURING A WHITE OUT :dontknow:

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were do we go from here??? only UP :punk:
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How bout a Blue out? Sicne wearing white seems like your cheering for the away team thats actually wearing white uniforms. Unless ofcourse the NHL makes the logical move and changes the Home uniform back to white like it should be.
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bringbackziggy,Feb 27 2011
03:18 PM
How bout a Blue out? Sicne wearing white seems like your cheering for the away team thats actually wearing white uniforms. Unless ofcourse the NHL makes the logical move and changes the Home uniform back to white like it should be.

why should it be?

you do realize that for MANY years the arrangement was exactly how it is now. Granted through the 70's-90's it was white was home, but for many years prior it was white was away.

Don't see what the big deal is.

Even still, lets have everyone wear ORANGE. It is a rather unique color in team uniforms. Other than us, the Oilers and Flyers, who else wears it?
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I'm not a big proponent of "white outs" or any other color schemed things unless its a playoff game. In this rare case though, we needed to show some sort of unity as a fan base. I thought the white out was decent. Wasn't a full whiteout like the 2002 playoffs were, but it was probably the best we were gonna get. The crowd was pretty good too. Felt like the Coliseum again. That was good.

In the future, the best thing the Islander can do is get people to want to update their Islanders apparel. I see way too many fisherman jerseys and navy blue jerseys there. We have beautiful new jerseys, back to our original colors, and the Coliseum would look a hell of a lot better with a full building and everyone wearing the same jerseys. People look at the Caps and their sea of red. That only happened because when the Caps changed their uniforms everyone went out and bought merchandise. People don't show up to games wearing plain red shirts. They wear jerseys, they wear pullovers. And of course, the only way this happens is to start WINNING.

That's my two cents. I still think more focus needs to be put on hockey operations here, because if we had a winning team these types of things wouldn't be necessary. We'd have a full building every night if we were a good team.
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Snowman39,Feb 27 2011
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I'm not a big proponent of "white outs" or any other color schemed things unless its a playoff game. In this rare case though, we needed to show some sort of unity as a fan base. I thought the white out was decent. Wasn't a full whiteout like the 2002 playoffs were, but it was probably the best we were gonna get. The crowd was pretty good too. Felt like the Coliseum again. That was good.

In the future, the best thing the Islander can do is get people to want to update their Islanders apparel. I see way too many fisherman jerseys and navy blue jerseys there. We have beautiful new jerseys, back to our original colors, and the Coliseum would look a hell of a lot better with a full building and everyone wearing the same jerseys. People look at the Caps and their sea of red. That only happened because when the Caps changed their uniforms everyone went out and bought merchandise. People don't show up to games wearing plain red shirts. They wear jerseys, they wear pullovers. And of course, the only way this happens is to start WINNING.

That's my two cents. I still think more focus needs to be put on hockey operations here, because if we had a winning team these types of things wouldn't be necessary. We'd have a full building every night if we were a good team.

Actually they did show up wearing red t shirts. The Caps sold "rOCK THE RED" T SHIRTS when they started the slogan and promo, but they weren't that expensive...maybe 10 bucks for a t shirt that had a caps logo and "Rock the Red" on the back. This started the first year the Caps made the playoffs in the "new" unis and because fans were trying to jump on the bandwagon so quickly and didn't have "new Jerseys", they went for the t shirts. Fans ate it up because it was a cheap way to get red, since the Crapitals got rid of the teal, mustard, black jersey.

If the Isles were smart, they'd have a promo where any fan who brings a "fishstick" jersey to the game for an exchange can turn in that jersey, and get 40% off the price of a "new" Isles jersey either right there at NVMC or get a voucher to get one at the Islanders store.

Then, in the parking lot, have a bonfire of all the fishstick jerseys that were turned in...as a way to exercise the demons of that horrid jersey and the spiral it sent us on.
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Actually they did show up wearing red t shirts. The Caps sold "rOCK THE RED" T SHIRTS when they started the slogan and promo, but they weren't that expensive...maybe 10 bucks for a t shirt that had a caps logo and "Rock the Red" on the back.

Right but my point is that they were still buying Caps merchandise. They weren't going to Target and buying a plain red t-shirt. And of course maybe a handful of people did, but you look at that Washington crowd, you see the crowd at a Flyers or Rangers game, all of the jerseys may not be the same but the colors are all the same for the most part.

I think a sea of royal blue would look the coolest anyway.
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The Isles should do some sort of campaign to push people wearing royal blue to the games. The white out has been done.
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Snowman39,Feb 27 2011
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Islander4cups,Feb 27 2011
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Actually they did show up wearing red t shirts.  The Caps sold "rOCK THE RED" T SHIRTS when they started the slogan and promo, but they weren't that expensive...maybe 10 bucks for a t shirt that had a caps logo and "Rock the Red" on the back.

Right but my point is that they were still buying Caps merchandise. They weren't going to Target and buying a plain red t-shirt. And of course maybe a handful of people did, but you look at that Washington crowd, you see the crowd at a Flyers or Rangers game, all of the jerseys may not be the same but the colors are all the same for the most part.

I think a sea of royal blue would look the coolest anyway.

I think it would be cool too. I think orange is more unique since few teams have it, but blue would be cool.

I do agree with those who say it isn't worth it in a regular season game. In fact, if they were going to do a "white out" or whatever, the only reg season game it would make sense for this year in the time left would be the rematch with Pitt, not the Caps. Who are the caps to us besides a team that owns us? lol There is bad blood with the Pens and for a reg season game it makes sense. Otherwise, these sorts of things only do in the playoffs...

want a good laugh...look at Ek's latest Isles trade rumor... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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That's my two cents. I still think more focus needs to be put on hockey operations here, because if we had a winning team these types of things wouldn't be necessary. We'd have a full building every night if we were a good team.


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I remember and still have some souvenirs from a previous white-out against Washington, from the playoffs and the team handed out white pieces of fabric similar to handkerchiefs that said "we can do it (before 2AM)" in reference to the Easter Classic.
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From a big picture point of view... I have 2 goals for this team...

1- let's have these kids finish the season no worse than .500 from now to the end of the season.
Whiteouts and promos aside, this team can do just that. Granted we will be facing teams that are pushing for playoff moves, but we will also face teams that aren't and are well out of it. Murray's idiotic comments aside, and yes, they were idiotic (if the Isles fowards are taking off from their zone so soon, ytf did you get shut out 3-0? You couldn't take adv of that once? You've never won anything as a coach so shut up), there is no reason why this team cannot set that as a goal and make that push from now until April.

2- Let's have this team make a genuine effort in 90% of the games from now until April.
Each team throws in a klunker now and again. But these kids, if they want to show they can take a step forward, need to show up and play hard in 9 out of 10 games. You look at teams that had a ton of kids and made the jump in the past 5 seasons- Pitt, Washington, LAK and Chicago... they each had a period in their "breakout" season or the season prior where things began to click and they didn't just give away games anymore due to effort. They might get outplayed, but they don't get out-efforted anymore. When this team can make that step, then I know they are something to say "hmmm" about thinking next season could be very interesting.


If this team can achieve those two goals, then I will feel like a "step" has been taken in this rebuild. If not, then the kids haven't progressed enough this season. Plain and simple.
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4CUPZ,Feb 27 2011
11:54 AM
WHERE WE GO FROM HERE???

ACTUALLY HAVE PEOPLE WEARING WHITE DURING A WHITE OUT :dontknow:

That was the darkest whiteout ever.


I repeat, these things don't work here. Playoffs, promoted or not, NY is not a white out, orange out place. Didn't work in '93 playoffs, won't work now. Fanbase is too fragmented to mobilize. Internet fans and message boards make up maybe 5% of total fan base.




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4CUPZ,Feb 27 2011
11:54 AM
WHERE WE GO FROM HERE???

ACTUALLY HAVE PEOPLE WEARING WHITE DURING A WHITE OUT :dontknow:

That was the darkest whiteout ever.


I repeat, these things don't work here. Playoffs, promoted or not, NY is not a white out, orange out place. Didn't work in '93 playoffs, won't work now. Fanbase is too fragmented to mobilize. Internet fans and message boards make up maybe 5% of total fan base.




........sweet child o mine.


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It worked in the 2002 playoffs, so it is possible. But the thing is the fanbase was the most energized I've ever seen it that year. Sold out more than half the home games, had a team that could win on any given night, had blue collar players that the fanbase could love (Webb, Lapointe, Peca, Cairns), made the playoffs for the first time in 7 years. But the most important thing?

Our record was 42-28-8 for 96 points, finished a point out of first place, 5th in the conference. We didn't finish 8th, we didn't get in by the hair on our ass, we had a strong regular season and finished with our best regular season since the 1983-84 season. And that wasn't a "new NHL" 96 points either, that was the old NHL where there were no 3 point games.

This shouldn't be about sneaking in as an 8th seed and maybe pull out a 1st round upset. This should be about winning 45+ hockey games from October-April and then doing damage in the playoffs. You do that, the fans will be here. This organization has only given their fans one chance since the 1983-84 season to really get excited during the regular season. Even 1992-93 we had to make a late run just to get into the playoffs before we had that memorable playoff run.

This organization needs to give the fanbase a chance to show up.
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4CUPZ,Feb 27 2011
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WHERE WE GO FROM HERE???

ACTUALLY HAVE PEOPLE WEARING WHITE DURING A WHITE OUT :dontknow:

That was the darkest whiteout ever.


I repeat, these things don't work here. Playoffs, promoted or not, NY is not a white out, orange out place. Didn't work in '93 playoffs, won't work now. Fanbase is too fragmented to mobilize. Internet fans and message boards make up maybe 5% of total fan base.




........sweet child o mine.


:punk:

It worked in the 2002 playoffs, so it is possible. But the thing is the fanbase was the most energized I've ever seen it that year. Sold out more than half the home games, had a team that could win on any given night, had blue collar players that the fanbase could love (Webb, Lapointe, Peca, Cairns), made the playoffs for the first time in 7 years. But the most important thing?

Our record was 42-28-8 for 96 points, finished a point out of first place, 5th in the conference. We didn't finish 8th, we didn't get in by the hair on our ass, we had a strong regular season and finished with our best regular season since the 1983-84 season. And that wasn't a "new NHL" 96 points either, that was the old NHL where there were no 3 point games.

This shouldn't be about sneaking in as an 8th seed and maybe pull out a 1st round upset. This should be about winning 45+ hockey games from October-April and then doing damage in the playoffs. You do that, the fans will be here. This organization has only given their fans one chance since the 1983-84 season to really get excited during the regular season. Even 1992-93 we had to make a late run just to get into the playoffs before we had that memorable playoff run.

This organization needs to give the fanbase a chance to show up.

I was there in 2002 and it wasn't that white at all. They started 11-1-1 and went .500 the rest of the way. Cheap tix fueled most of the sellouts as much as the record did. I never got the feeling they'd beat Toronto but I did have the feeling they'd beat the Caps in '93 and they did. And still the place was half orange.

This isn't Duke or NC hoops. It doesn't work here or for the Devils or Rag$. I went to a NJD-Carolina playoff series where they handed out WEAR WHITE T-shirts and nobody wore them. NY/NJ don't play that gimmick crap.
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4CUPZ,Feb 27 2011
11:54 AM
WHERE WE GO FROM HERE???

ACTUALLY HAVE PEOPLE WEARING WHITE DURING A WHITE OUT :dontknow:

That was the darkest whiteout ever.


I repeat, these things don't work here. Playoffs, promoted or not, NY is not a white out, orange out place. Didn't work in '93 playoffs, won't work now. Fanbase is too fragmented to mobilize. Internet fans and message boards make up maybe 5% of total fan base.




........sweet child o mine.


:punk:

It worked in the 2002 playoffs, so it is possible. But the thing is the fanbase was the most energized I've ever seen it that year. Sold out more than half the home games, had a team that could win on any given night, had blue collar players that the fanbase could love (Webb, Lapointe, Peca, Cairns), made the playoffs for the first time in 7 years. But the most important thing?

Our record was 42-28-8 for 96 points, finished a point out of first place, 5th in the conference. We didn't finish 8th, we didn't get in by the hair on our ass, we had a strong regular season and finished with our best regular season since the 1983-84 season. And that wasn't a "new NHL" 96 points either, that was the old NHL where there were no 3 point games.

This shouldn't be about sneaking in as an 8th seed and maybe pull out a 1st round upset. This should be about winning 45+ hockey games from October-April and then doing damage in the playoffs. You do that, the fans will be here. This organization has only given their fans one chance since the 1983-84 season to really get excited during the regular season. Even 1992-93 we had to make a late run just to get into the playoffs before we had that memorable playoff run.

This organization needs to give the fanbase a chance to show up.

I was there in 2002 and it wasn't that white at all. They started 11-1-1 and went .500 the rest of the way. Cheap tix fueled most of the sellouts as much as the record did. I never got the feeling they'd beat Toronto but I did have the feeling they'd beat the Caps in '93 and they did. And still the place was half orange.

This isn't Duke or NC hoops. It doesn't work here or for the Devils or Rag$. I went to a NJD-Carolina playoff series where they handed out WEAR WHITE T-shirts and nobody wore them. NY/NJ don't play that gimmick crap.

I'm sorry, but the 2002 playoffs it was a white out, and it did work. Go look at the film if you have to. I was there also, I had season tickets. I was at all three playoff games. Go on youtube and find any game highlights you want from that playoff year. Most of the crowd was wearing white, and it was requested by the team that everyone wore white.

As far as the cheap tickets go, those were the Islanders normal prices. They weren't running all of these promotions like they're running now. They had ticket prices appropriate of a team that was coming off a 30th place finish that season. The next season they raised prices, and had their highest season ticket base in years. They flushed it down the toilet on the ice though and lost all of that.
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