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| Why we started this rebuild...; Look no further than our crosstown rival | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 21 2011, 03:23 PM (1,327 Views) | |
| 19! | Apr 22 2011, 04:21 PM Post #21 |
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We could hardly be much worse. The bigger question is, does the ends justify the means? Imagine how much further along the "re-build" would be if money was spent. This is 2011 in the NHL age of salary cap parity. It shouldn't take 5-6 years to rebuild. |
| John Tavares was 2 years old the last time NYI won a playoff series | |
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| rst033 | Apr 22 2011, 04:45 PM Post #22 |
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can we really honestly be this critical of Charles Wang? if you want to blame the reason why the Islanders have been a failure in terms of playoff wins or winning seasons is because Wang allowed Mike Milbury total control of hockey ops. the first mistake Wang made when he bought the team was not firing Mike Milbury. if anything its been Wang that saved the franchise. you had Milstein Gluckstern that really tried to destroy the franchise and it was Charles Wang who picked up the pieces. as far as the Lighthouse goes I blame Tom Suozzi. It was Tom Suozzi who told Charles Wang his idea of what should be done at the site and Wang took the instructions and ran with it. mistake #1 for Wang not firing Milbury mistake #2 not making his top priority getting a new building. |
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| Jackace | Apr 22 2011, 05:51 PM Post #23 |
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Zero playoff wins. Absolutely correct. Just a different spin on maybe how the Isles restocked their farms with decent depth during this horrible run. I blame Snow more than Wang for the lack of success on the ice because he is the guy that should know what a team needs both short term and long term. I blame Wang, if my speculation is on target, for giving a "hockey mind"...cough, cough... carte blanche for 5 years without consequences for ineptness. But we are here now, where there is no logical reason to stay at the cap floor, unless he doesn't care at all about the Isles and it was only for the land. To me, with so many former and current Isles giving Wanger support, tells me he wants the club to be successful, albeit with a stupid rebuild plan. |
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| rst033 | Apr 24 2011, 10:02 AM Post #24 |
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come on you have to give credit to Snow for finding Moulson and Grabner off the NHL scrap heap or Andy MacDonald or picking up Mark Streit. I know the rebuild has been tough on fans but The NY Islanders are on the right path let's talk about the "rebuild" in another 2/3 years |
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| aries44475 | Apr 24 2011, 12:01 PM Post #25 |
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Moulson - I'll give Snow Credit(Even though he was a bridgeport signing for depth) Grabner - Nope no brainer claim like the other 11 teams MacDonald - Nope he wasn't the GM during the 2006 draft Striet - I'll give credit I also give Snow credit on signing DP to a 15 deal as his first duties. I'll give Snow credit for keeping a team under the league mandated cap from finishing 30th. Snow is about 50/50 in my book at best but as Snowy said sometimes you get to where your going on accident or buy design. I'm still 50/50 on which way Snow is running the NY Islanders. |
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| puckhead | Apr 24 2011, 12:07 PM Post #26 |
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IMO, Snow gets no credit for signing Dipietro to the 15 year deal............that was all Wang. |
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| 4CUPZ | Apr 24 2011, 12:32 PM Post #27 |
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ANYTHING GOOD IS BY ACCIDENT CAUSE THEY DONT "BUY" ANYTHING TO GET ANYWHERE |
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| stevedepot | Apr 24 2011, 12:46 PM Post #28 |
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Finding Moulson, Grabner etc? Shall I list the number of scrap heap losers Snow signed that faded into oblivion? The scales are tipped heavily on favor of him being the worst GM in hockey. But it's Easter. Happy Easter everyone. |
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| 3POTI | Apr 24 2011, 01:10 PM Post #29 |
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Bring back...PRIDE OF THE ISLAND
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To become great, one has to suck at one time in their life..Garth Snow will rise to the occasion and bring us back to the dynasty ages.
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Today Is A Great Day To Be An Islander Fan! Live For The Moment! | |
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| THEDRIVE4FIVE | Apr 24 2011, 08:22 PM Post #30 |
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I had a sitdown interview with Clark Gillies earlier this year for my school paper. I asked him what was the one thing that put the team over the top to become a Cup champ after fallling short in the late 70's. His answer was not a player. He said the pure disappointment of the team's failure inspired the team to become great. I don't care what anybody says. When an expansion team becomes a dynasty in 8 years, there is something magical going on. That is an achievement that VERY few, if any, franchises can say they have done. |
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| rifleman22 | Apr 25 2011, 12:28 PM Post #31 |
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Now THAT is a great post Snowy. No negative crap, just reality. And it made my morning after I read it. Great points...thanks. |
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THE RIFLE Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. | |
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| Snowy | Apr 25 2011, 01:59 PM Post #32 |
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Thanks Rifle. During the season its hard to look at things from that perspective because we are constantly overanalyzing each game. Season ends, we get a big picture look at what's going on. Each season we've had more good things than we had the year before. At some point though, these individual successes stop being enough and the team success will become the only thing that matters. While we're close to that point, we're not there quite yet. |
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| 7th Woman | Apr 25 2011, 08:41 PM Post #33 |
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Snowman: Intelligent, well thought out post that also shows your passion for the team. For some of you, no matter what you may read or hear, your opinions of management will never change. that's a shame. You let your personal prejudices close your mind and only see things as you assume they are. "The Rebuild" is a valid hockey model used by a few teams. It's not a matter of being cheap or inept, but a model of building. it's just a painful model. hopefully it will only be a year or two befor the pain stops. |
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| 4CUPZ | Apr 25 2011, 08:48 PM Post #34 |
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SOUNDS LIKE THIS CAME FROM CHAPTER 1 OF "GENERAL MANAGING A SEMI PROFESSIONAL SPORTS FRANCHISE FOR DUMMIES" OR WAS THIS YOUR APPLICATION FOR THE PRESS BOX FOR NEXT SEASON? |
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| 19! | Apr 26 2011, 01:13 AM Post #35 |
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It's hard to believe that when management constantly has the lowest payroll. Guess the cheap lousy radio deal, limited scouts and few PR/Ops staff etc. were part of the rebuild that other teams followed too huh?. :rolleyes: |
| John Tavares was 2 years old the last time NYI won a playoff series | |
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| stevedepot | Apr 26 2011, 08:37 AM Post #36 |
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| 4CUPZ | Apr 26 2011, 08:41 AM Post #37 |
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ONE SICK PUPPY STEVE
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| Webb20 | Apr 26 2011, 10:22 AM Post #38 |
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We may be following the accepted way of a rebuild but it also fits Wangs purse until an Arena deal is struck. |
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I sold it all, retired and moved to Fabulous Las Vegas! "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."-Ben Franklin "Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves."-Ronald Reagan | |
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| stevedepot | Apr 26 2011, 10:33 AM Post #39 |
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It's all about money. I do not mean to insult anyone or their feelings or intellect. However, look at all the teams that did the same thing... they ADDED veterans that can STILL play t help nurture these kids. Doug Weight is NOT an answer. The bottom of the barrel scrubs this year and last were not an answer. For christs sake do we really have to rehash this? Let's bring back the positive and negative threads. Summertime is around the corner. Memory fades and koolaid will be served. I am EXTREMELY excited about some of our kids/prospects but WTF good are they when the owner won't spend to support them and HIS problem (DP) still holds us hostage? think he'll EVER bounce back? Really? Think harder. That is your reality folkies. Our reality. I don't want to sneak in as an 8th seed and to do so the team HAS to stay healthy (good luck). wait till the games mean something and those first articles come out and players need to respond to a 1-3 road trip with no veteran leadership. I will bring these posts back next year when the excuses start all over again. It's not doom and gloom, it's a pattern that many refuse to see. A leopard doesn't change it's spots and our leopard cares about one thing only....$$$ while clueless on running a hockey franchise. I've rambled enough. Someone please type something positive to balance this out now. We have almost 5 months to kill.
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| 4CUPZ | Apr 26 2011, 10:46 AM Post #40 |
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IT COULD BE WORSE THATS AS POSITIVE AS IT GETS
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