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Why we started this rebuild...; Look no further than our crosstown rival
Topic Started: Apr 21 2011, 03:23 PM (1,327 Views)
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Snowman39,Apr 21 2011
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Why we started the rebuild?


To save money.

Even if you would like to use your negative opinion on why it started, the end result is that we are in a better position to succeed than we were in 2007. So regardless of the reason, we are better off.

We could hardly be much worse.

The bigger question is, does the ends justify the means?

Imagine how much further along the "re-build" would be if money was spent.

This is 2011 in the NHL age of salary cap parity. It shouldn't take 5-6 years to rebuild.
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Jackace,Apr 22 2011
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Total speculation on my part, but I think Wang asked Snow how long of a rebuild would be needed to set the team to compete at a high level for a long period of time and Snow told him 4,5,6 years. He gave Snow assurances that his job will not be affected by results on the ice if he built the farms up with talent for the future.

Wang probably thought his LH project be have shovels in the ground by then, which would create more momentum.  From all accounts of former and current players Wang is very patient, loyal and methodical and he is not in the business of losing money.  Could he have stripped the team to bare-bones for those lean years to draft high before he sees the opportunity to make moves when the time is right?  Could he be fooling all of us?

With the depth on the farms and the decent talent coming soon I still hold out hope he will green-light some signings soon.  He spent $ before and cant be blind to the results. Hopefully, he will do it again...soon.  If he spends to the cap floor again this offseason he will have proven to me he is not a serious owner.

What results though?
As a result of his ineptitude in favorable, blind hiring (not excluding family members),
we have ZERO, count em, ZERO playoff series wins under his ownership spanning 11 years.

This summer shouldn't be the summer that 'proves" his ineptitude to anyone should he not spend over the cap floor, but I
do respect your opinion none-the-less Jackace.

I just have a strong disdain for Wang and how he's destroyed the very franchise I love
for the sake of his greed. He has many fooled. Not me.

and btw, from the other thread on TOH/Lighthouse counterproposal.
You are correct, it was a 50% reduction. Not 30%.

:cheers:

can we really honestly be this critical of Charles Wang? if you want to blame the reason why the Islanders have been a failure in terms of playoff wins or winning seasons is because Wang allowed Mike Milbury total control of hockey ops. the first mistake Wang made when he bought the team was not firing Mike Milbury.

if anything its been Wang that saved the franchise. you had Milstein Gluckstern that really tried to destroy the franchise and it was Charles Wang who picked up the pieces.

as far as the Lighthouse goes I blame Tom Suozzi. It was Tom Suozzi who told Charles Wang his idea of what should be done at the site and Wang took the instructions and ran with it.

mistake #1 for Wang not firing Milbury mistake #2 not making his top priority getting a new building.


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stevedepot,Apr 22 2011
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Jackace,Apr 22 2011
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Total speculation on my part, but I think Wang asked Snow how long of a rebuild would be needed to set the team to compete at a high level for a long period of time and Snow told him 4,5,6 years. He gave Snow assurances that his job will not be affected by results on the ice if he built the farms up with talent for the future.

Wang probably thought his LH project be have shovels in the ground by then, which would create more momentum.  From all accounts of former and current players Wang is very patient, loyal and methodical and he is not in the business of losing money.  Could he have stripped the team to bare-bones for those lean years to draft high before he sees the opportunity to make moves when the time is right?  Could he be fooling all of us?

With the depth on the farms and the decent talent coming soon I still hold out hope he will green-light some signings soon.  He spent $ before and cant be blind to the results. Hopefully, he will do it again...soon.  If he spends to the cap floor again this offseason he will have proven to me he is not a serious owner.

What results though?
As a result of his ineptitude in favorable, blind hiring (not excluding family members),
we have ZERO, count em, ZERO playoff series wins under his ownership spanning 11 years.

This summer shouldn't be the summer that 'proves" his ineptitude to anyone should he not spend over the cap floor, but I
do respect your opinion none-the-less Jackace.

I just have a strong disdain for Wang and how he's destroyed the very franchise I love
for the sake of his greed. He has many fooled. Not me.

and btw, from the other thread on TOH/Lighthouse counterproposal.
You are correct, it was a 50% reduction. Not 30%.

:cheers:

Zero playoff wins. Absolutely correct. Just a different spin on maybe how the Isles restocked their farms with decent depth during this horrible run. I blame Snow more than Wang for the lack of success on the ice because he is the guy that should know what a team needs both short term and long term. I blame Wang, if my speculation is on target, for giving a "hockey mind"...cough, cough... carte blanche for 5 years without consequences for ineptness.

But we are here now, where there is no logical reason to stay at the cap floor, unless he doesn't care at all about the Isles and it was only for the land. To me, with so many former and current Isles giving Wanger support, tells me he wants the club to be successful, albeit with a stupid rebuild plan.
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Jackace,Apr 22 2011
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Zero playoff wins.  Absolutely correct.  Just a different spin on maybe how the Isles restocked their farms with decent depth during this horrible run.  I blame Snow more than Wang for the lack of success on the ice because he is the guy that should know what a team needs both short term and long term.  I blame Wang, if my speculation is on target, for giving a "hockey mind"...cough, cough... carte blanche for 5 years without consequences for ineptness.

But we are here now, where there is no logical reason to stay at the cap floor, unless he doesn't care at all about the Isles and it was only for the land.  To me, with so many former and current Isles giving Wanger support, tells me he wants the club to be successful, albeit with a stupid rebuild plan.

come on you have to give credit to Snow for finding Moulson and Grabner off the NHL scrap heap or Andy MacDonald or picking up Mark Streit. I know the rebuild has been tough on fans but The NY Islanders are on the right path let's talk about the "rebuild" in another 2/3 years
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rst033,Apr 24 2011
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Jackace,Apr 22 2011
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Zero playoff wins.  Absolutely correct.  Just a different spin on maybe how the Isles restocked their farms with decent depth during this horrible run.  I blame Snow more than Wang for the lack of success on the ice because he is the guy that should know what a team needs both short term and long term.  I blame Wang, if my speculation is on target, for giving a "hockey mind"...cough, cough... carte blanche for 5 years without consequences for ineptness.

But we are here now, where there is no logical reason to stay at the cap floor, unless he doesn't care at all about the Isles and it was only for the land.  To me, with so many former and current Isles giving Wanger support, tells me he wants the club to be successful, albeit with a stupid rebuild plan.

come on you have to give credit to Snow for finding Moulson and Grabner off the NHL scrap heap or Andy MacDonald or picking up Mark Streit. I know the rebuild has been tough on fans but The NY Islanders are on the right path let's talk about the "rebuild" in another 2/3 years

Moulson - I'll give Snow Credit(Even though he was a bridgeport signing for depth)
Grabner - Nope no brainer claim like the other 11 teams
MacDonald - Nope he wasn't the GM during the 2006 draft
Striet - I'll give credit

I also give Snow credit on signing DP to a 15 deal as his first duties.

I'll give Snow credit for keeping a team under the league mandated cap from finishing 30th.

Snow is about 50/50 in my book at best but as Snowy said sometimes you get to where your going on accident or buy design. I'm still 50/50 on which way Snow is running the NY Islanders.
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IMO, Snow gets no credit for signing Dipietro to the 15 year deal............that was all Wang.
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rst033,Apr 24 2011
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Jackace,Apr 22 2011
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Zero playoff wins.  Absolutely correct.  Just a different spin on maybe how the Isles restocked their farms with decent depth during this horrible run.  I blame Snow more than Wang for the lack of success on the ice because he is the guy that should know what a team needs both short term and long term.  I blame Wang, if my speculation is on target, for giving a "hockey mind"...cough, cough... carte blanche for 5 years without consequences for ineptness.

But we are here now, where there is no logical reason to stay at the cap floor, unless he doesn't care at all about the Isles and it was only for the land.  To me, with so many former and current Isles giving Wanger support, tells me he wants the club to be successful, albeit with a stupid rebuild plan.

come on you have to give credit to Snow for finding Moulson and Grabner off the NHL scrap heap or Andy MacDonald or picking up Mark Streit. I know the rebuild has been tough on fans but The NY Islanders are on the right path let's talk about the "rebuild" in another 2/3 years

Finding Moulson, Grabner etc?


:blink:

Shall I list the number of scrap heap losers Snow signed that faded into oblivion?
The scales are tipped heavily on favor of him being the worst GM in hockey.

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Happy Easter everyone.

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I had a sitdown interview with Clark Gillies earlier this year for my school paper. I asked him what was the one thing that put the team over the top to become a Cup champ after fallling short in the late 70's.

His answer was not a player. He said the pure disappointment of the team's failure inspired the team to become great.

I don't care what anybody says. When an expansion team becomes a dynasty in 8 years, there is something magical going on. That is an achievement that VERY few, if any, franchises can say they have done.
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Now THAT is a great post Snowy. No negative crap, just reality. And it made my morning after I read it.

Great points...thanks.
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rifleman22,Apr 25 2011
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Now THAT is a great post Snowy. No negative crap, just reality. And it made my morning after I read it.

Great points...thanks.

Thanks Rifle. During the season its hard to look at things from that perspective because we are constantly overanalyzing each game. Season ends, we get a big picture look at what's going on. Each season we've had more good things than we had the year before. At some point though, these individual successes stop being enough and the team success will become the only thing that matters. While we're close to that point, we're not there quite yet.
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Snowman: Intelligent, well thought out post that also shows your passion for the team.

For some of you, no matter what you may read or hear, your opinions of management will never change. that's a shame. You let your personal prejudices close your mind and only see things as you assume they are.

"The Rebuild" is a valid hockey model used by a few teams. It's not a matter of being cheap or inept, but a model of building. it's just a painful model.

hopefully it will only be a year or two befor the pain stops.
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Snowman: Intelligent, well thought out post that also shows your passion for the team.

For some of you, no matter what you may read or hear, your opinions of management will never change. that's a shame. You let your personal prejudices close your mind and only see things as you assume they are.

"The Rebuild" is a valid hockey model used by a few teams. It's not a matter of being cheap or inept, but a model of building. it's just a painful model.

hopefully it will only be a year or two befor the pain stops.

It's hard to believe that when management constantly has the lowest payroll.

Guess the cheap lousy radio deal, limited scouts and few PR/Ops staff etc. were part of the rebuild that other teams followed too huh?. :rolleyes:

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Snowman:  Intelligent, well thought out post that also shows your passion for the team.

For some of you, no matter what you may read or hear, your opinions of management will never change.  that's a shame.  You let your personal prejudices close your mind and only see things as you assume they are.

"The Rebuild" is a valid hockey model used by a few teams.  It's not a matter of being cheap or inept, but a model of building. it's just a painful model.

hopefully it will only be a year or two befor the pain stops.

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We may be following the accepted way of a rebuild but it also fits Wangs purse until an Arena deal is struck.
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It's all about money.
I do not mean to insult anyone or their feelings or intellect.
However, look at all the teams that did the same thing...
they ADDED veterans that can STILL play t help nurture these kids.

Doug Weight is NOT an answer. The bottom of the barrel scrubs this year and last were not an answer.
For christs sake do we really have to rehash this?

Let's bring back the positive and negative threads. Summertime is around the corner. Memory fades and koolaid will be served.


I am EXTREMELY excited about some of our kids/prospects but WTF good are they when the owner won't spend to support them and HIS problem (DP) still holds us hostage? think he'll EVER bounce back? Really? Think harder.

That is your reality folkies. Our reality. I don't want to sneak in as an 8th seed and to do so
the team HAS to stay healthy (good luck). wait till the games mean something and those first articles come out and players need to respond to a 1-3 road trip with no veteran leadership.

I will bring these posts back next year when the excuses start all over again.
It's not doom and gloom, it's a pattern that many refuse to see. A leopard doesn't change it's spots and our leopard cares about one thing only....$$$ while clueless on running a hockey franchise.

I've rambled enough.
Someone please type something positive to balance this out now.
We have almost 5 months to kill.



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IT COULD BE WORSE






THATS AS POSITIVE AS IT GETS ;)
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