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DRAFT LOTTERY DISCUSSION; Isles move to 5th in Draft
Topic Started: Apr 8 2011, 02:53 PM (3,081 Views)
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Also, I would anticipate a lot of trades going down in general in or around the draft as this free agent class this year is pretty weak.

GM's are going to have to get creative in the trade market to better their teams.

Strictly from an Islander perspective, how many more prospects do we really need. If the right deal comes along for an impact player, we have to do it.


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shark1000,Apr 11 2011
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Also, I would anticipate a lot of trades going down in general in or around the draft as this free agent class this year is pretty weak.

GM's are going to have to get creative in the trade market to better their teams.

Strictly from an Islander perspective, how many more prospects do we really need. If the right deal comes along for an impact player, we have to do it.

agreed. Enough with the prospects.

Time for an impact player to really get us moving.

Nash would be perfect.
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Shark, you're right about it def not being a swap of first rounders. It would have to start with our 1st outright. And like Gloob said, Nash (or a player in his class like Parise) would be perfect. With that said, a trade can't be forced. An offer sheet could, but highly doubtful that the Devils wouldn't match one for Parise. 95% chance we use our first round pick.

I had previously said Ryan Murphy, but I think 4 or 5 is too high for him. We could probably drop down to 7 or 8 and still get him. If we stay at 4 or drop down to 5, I like Ryan Strome or Jonathan Huberdeau over Couturier. The key will be when Bob McKenzie's Top 10 comes out tomorrow. As I said earlier in this thread, the NHL rankings and the independent rankings that come out are not really accurate. But I went back today and looked at McKenzie's final list from last season. It was pretty accurate other than Cam Fowler being top 5, but who ever saw that one coming? When the TSN rankings come out tomorrow and we see where we're drafting, we'll know a lot more. Of course if we win the lottery, it's RNH all the way. As far as Strome goes, he just looks like a real dynamic offensive player who according to all counts is defensively responsible as well. Huberdeau has drawn comparisons to Mike Ribeiro.
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It would probably take a Bailey/K.O./Nino/ and swap picks in the 1st round to begin the discussion. :nono:

No way it would be a swap of first round picks. I was thinking something like Bailey and our 1st round pick, but honestly that might not even be enough. We would need to give up probably 1st rounder this year 1st rounder next year + a prospect,

Nash is under contract for another 5 years at a lot of money. But with our record of signing free agents, what better way to force a guy here than a trade.

Like snowy said, it all comes down whether Columbus is just kicking the tires or whether they have serious intentions to trade Nash.

BUT, I would would support overpaying for him (overpaying more in terms of draft picks then our core young players).

well before I would start overpaying for someone..I would want assurances from the man himself that he would come to the Island..nothing worst that acquiring someone only to find out they won't report..I believe the islanders should learn their lesson by now..with the nabakov crap..but going back to the maloney days..this happen with muller..

now obviously you can't blame a gm if a player doesn't show up..but, you can blame him if you don't find out prior to making a deal..oops, uh-oh, I think this is what stevedepot was saying a few months ago, with the nabakov mess..in an unrelated thread..hmm, funny how certain situations come back at you..lol.
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Shark, you're right about it def not being a swap of first rounders. It would have to start with our 1st outright. And like Gloob said, Nash (or a player in his class like Parise) would be perfect. With that said, a trade can't be forced. An offer sheet could, but highly doubtful that the Devils wouldn't match one for Parise. 95% chance we use our first round pick.

I had previously said Ryan Murphy, but I think 4 or 5 is too high for him. We could probably drop down to 7 or 8 and still get him. If we stay at 4 or drop down to 5, I like Ryan Strome or Jonathan Huberdeau over Couturier. The key will be when Bob McKenzie's Top 10 comes out tomorrow. As I said earlier in this thread, the NHL rankings and the independent rankings that come out are not really accurate. But I went back today and looked at McKenzie's final list from last season. It was pretty accurate other than Cam Fowler being top 5, but who ever saw that one coming? When the TSN rankings come out tomorrow and we see where we're drafting, we'll know a lot more. Of course if we win the lottery, it's RNH all the way. As far as Strome goes, he just looks like a real dynamic offensive player who according to all counts is defensively responsible as well. Huberdeau has drawn comparisons to Mike Ribeiro.

snowy whats your thoughts on adam larrsons, might've spelled his name wrong..it seems you want us to go for wingers or centers..though I think murphy is d? anyway..aren't the scouts saying larrsons is nhl ready now..comparing him lidstrom? I like this kid..with streit, hamonic, amac..then maybe mottau and jurcina..
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3POTI,Apr 11 2011
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shark1000,Apr 11 2011
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Jackace,Apr 11 2011
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It would probably take a Bailey/K.O./Nino/ and swap picks in the 1st round to begin the discussion. :nono:

No way it would be a swap of first round picks. I was thinking something like Bailey and our 1st round pick, but honestly that might not even be enough. We would need to give up probably 1st rounder this year 1st rounder next year + a prospect,

Nash is under contract for another 5 years at a lot of money. But with our record of signing free agents, what better way to force a guy here than a trade.

Like snowy said, it all comes down whether Columbus is just kicking the tires or whether they have serious intentions to trade Nash.

BUT, I would would support overpaying for him (overpaying more in terms of draft picks then our core young players).

well before I would start overpaying for someone..I would want assurances from the man himself that he would come to the Island..nothing worst that acquiring someone only to find out they won't report..I believe the islanders should learn their lesson by now..with the nabakov crap..but going back to the maloney days..this happen with muller..

now obviously you can't blame a gm if a player doesn't show up..but, you can blame him if you don't find out prior to making a deal..oops, uh-oh, I think this is what stevedepot was saying a few months ago, with the nabakov mess..in an unrelated thread..hmm, funny how certain situations come back at you..lol.

The player would come if it improved his situation. Players know better than us who is a 'player' that would fit well and will come to a better situation.
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I agree jackace.

Just a reminder to everyone.
Don't fall for all the fake rumors that will be circulating starting today through the draft in June.
That discombobulated bob douche, ek the wreck and every other internet attention seeker will toss out rumors after a little careful reading.

For example, the other day, there was an interesting article on faceoff.com about Flames star defeneseman Jay Bouwmeester and how he leads the NHL in games played with NO playoff appearance.
One of these rumor mongers could take something like that, and a few quotes plus a fabricated "source" and toss out a rumor like following because they feel he needs a change of scenery...
"hey Isles fans, would you trade Alberta boy, Trent Hunter, Calvin de Haan and your 1st to Calgary for Jay Bouwmeester?"
It happens every year.
Just wait and see.

For me, tonight is all about a chance. A chance at improving a future asset.
I could care less about the forthcoming rumors.
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3POTI,Apr 11 2011
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Snowman39,Apr 11 2011
04:30 PM
Shark, you're right about it def not being a swap of first rounders.  It would have to start with our 1st outright.  And like Gloob said, Nash (or a player in his class like Parise) would be perfect.  With that said, a trade can't be forced.  An offer sheet could, but highly doubtful that the Devils wouldn't match one for Parise.  95% chance we use our first round pick.

I had previously said Ryan Murphy, but I think 4 or 5 is too high for him.  We could probably drop down to 7 or 8 and still get him.  If we stay at 4 or drop down to 5, I like Ryan Strome or Jonathan Huberdeau over Couturier.  The key will be when Bob McKenzie's Top 10 comes out tomorrow.  As I said earlier in this thread, the NHL rankings and the independent rankings that come out are not really accurate.  But I went back today and looked at McKenzie's final list from last season.  It was pretty accurate other than Cam Fowler being top 5, but who ever saw that one coming?  When the TSN rankings come out tomorrow and we see where we're drafting, we'll know a lot more.  Of course if we win the lottery, it's RNH all the way.  As far as Strome goes, he just looks like a real dynamic offensive player who according to all counts is defensively responsible as well.  Huberdeau has drawn comparisons to Mike Ribeiro.

snowy whats your thoughts on adam larrsons, might've spelled his name wrong..it seems you want us to go for wingers or centers..though I think murphy is d? anyway..aren't the scouts saying larrsons is nhl ready now..comparing him lidstrom? I like this kid..with streit, hamonic, amac..then maybe mottau and jurcina..

Well, let me just start by saying that I've never seen any of these kids play other than on Youtube. When you watch videos on youtube, 99% of the time you're seeing the kids at their best. To give a fair judgement, you have to include everyone's faults as well. I try to read as many different opinions on each player as possible, whether its through media, bloggers, and even fans (because as we know, often times the fans know just as much).

My opinion of the draft is that the highest skill offensive players go in the first round, that's obvious. But to prove my point look no further than the NHL scoring leaders from this season. Out of the top 20 scorers in the NHL this season, 16 of them were former 1st round picks. The only exceptions were Martin St. Louis (undrafted), Henrik Zetterberg (7th round, 210 overall), Brad Richards (3rd round, 64th overall), and Loui Eriksson (2nd round, 33rd overall). So to make it easier, 80% of the top 20 scorers were first round draft picks. Now, you still have to get the first round pick correct, but the ones who do are rewarded. It is possible to find skill later, but it is VERY HARD.

To touch on Larsson, he seems to be a very well rounded and physical player. Easy to compare him to someone like Victor Hedman because Hedman just got drafted two years ago. From all accounts, Larsson is more physical than Hedman, but less gifted offensively. With that said, Larsson is still a skilled offensive defenseman. Most opinions that I've read have said that Larsson could play in the NHL this season, but it may be best for him to stay in Sweden one more season. And he may choose to do just that. By all accounts he is a cornerstone, top pairing defenseman. The reason I have mentioned Murphy is because when it comes to pure skill, by all accounts he is the most physically talented player in the draft. As a defenseman, his skill and skating has drawn comparisions to Steven Stamkos and Taylor Hall. His size is a question as he's only 5'10, but that type of size hasn't stopped players like Brian Leetch and Brian Rafalski.

As far as the Islanders and Larsson are concerned, the way this draft is set up, we will pick either 1, 4, or 5. It seems that Larsson will be drafted in spot 1, 2, or 3. If we were to win the lottery, I have liked Ryan Nugent-Hopkins since January. He is a dynamic offensive player. The way he skates he reminds me of Matt Duchene. He has drawn comparisons to Sakic and Datsyuk. The Oilers hierarchy has even gone as far as to tell TSN they feel his on-ice vision is the best since Wayne Gretzky (could be blowing smoke up his ass, who knows). If we don't win the lottery, RNH, Larsson, and Landeskog (the three cornerstone players in the draft) will all be gone when we pick at either 4 or 5. We'll have to choose from the likes of Sean Couturier ©, Ryan Strome ©, Jonathon Huberdeau ©, Ryan Murphy (D), Dougie Hamilton (D), or Nino's junior and Swiss teammate Sven Bartschi (W). The combine and all of the pre-draft hoopla will shuffle this list around a lot I'm sure. And also as Steve pointed out, the pre-draft rumor mill is going to be churning by a ton. All of the Oiler fans are expecting that they are going to trade the Kings 1st rounder and their 2nd to move up to the top 5, so expect to hear a lot of garbage about that.
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If we happen the get the 1st overall...you gotta take RNH.

If we don't and we stay at 4 or even 5....id trade the pick and work on a deal to get Nash over here.


BTW...some "insider" on twitter...you guys may know who...says The NHL will give the #1 overall to the Isles this year in hope of more attention to the Isles and NY market and a push towards a new arena. ummm...yeah right. :blink: :rofl:
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03:31 PM
If we happen the get the 1st overall...you gotta take RNH.

If we don't and we stay at 4 or even 5....id trade the pick and work on a deal to get Nash over here.


BTW...some "insider" on twitter...you guys may know who...says The NHL will give the #1 overall to the Isles this year in hope of more attention to the Isles and NY market and a push towards a new arena. ummm...yeah right. :blink: :rofl:

Nash??????? :)

Is that your plan or is there a rumor out there????
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Snowman39,Apr 12 2011
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Shark, you're right about it def not being a swap of first rounders.  It would have to start with our 1st outright.  And like Gloob said, Nash (or a player in his class like Parise) would be perfect.  With that said, a trade can't be forced.  An offer sheet could, but highly doubtful that the Devils wouldn't match one for Parise.  95% chance we use our first round pick.

I had previously said Ryan Murphy, but I think 4 or 5 is too high for him.  We could probably drop down to 7 or 8 and still get him.  If we stay at 4 or drop down to 5, I like Ryan Strome or Jonathan Huberdeau over Couturier.  The key will be when Bob McKenzie's Top 10 comes out tomorrow.  As I said earlier in this thread, the NHL rankings and the independent rankings that come out are not really accurate.  But I went back today and looked at McKenzie's final list from last season.  It was pretty accurate other than Cam Fowler being top 5, but who ever saw that one coming?  When the TSN rankings come out tomorrow and we see where we're drafting, we'll know a lot more.  Of course if we win the lottery, it's RNH all the way.  As far as Strome goes, he just looks like a real dynamic offensive player who according to all counts is defensively responsible as well.  Huberdeau has drawn comparisons to Mike Ribeiro.

snowy whats your thoughts on adam larrsons, might've spelled his name wrong..it seems you want us to go for wingers or centers..though I think murphy is d? anyway..aren't the scouts saying larrsons is nhl ready now..comparing him lidstrom? I like this kid..with streit, hamonic, amac..then maybe mottau and jurcina..

Well, let me just start by saying that I've never seen any of these kids play other than on Youtube. When you watch videos on youtube, 99% of the time you're seeing the kids at their best. To give a fair judgement, you have to include everyone's faults as well. I try to read as many different opinions on each player as possible, whether its through media, bloggers, and even fans (because as we know, often times the fans know just as much).

My opinion of the draft is that the highest skill offensive players go in the first round, that's obvious. But to prove my point look no further than the NHL scoring leaders from this season. Out of the top 20 scorers in the NHL this season, 16 of them were former 1st round picks. The only exceptions were Martin St. Louis (undrafted), Henrik Zetterberg (7th round, 210 overall), Brad Richards (3rd round, 64th overall), and Loui Eriksson (2nd round, 33rd overall). So to make it easier, 80% of the top 20 scorers were first round draft picks. Now, you still have to get the first round pick correct, but the ones who do are rewarded. It is possible to find skill later, but it is VERY HARD.

To touch on Larsson, he seems to be a very well rounded and physical player. Easy to compare him to someone like Victor Hedman because Hedman just got drafted two years ago. From all accounts, Larsson is more physical than Hedman, but less gifted offensively. With that said, Larsson is still a skilled offensive defenseman. Most opinions that I've read have said that Larsson could play in the NHL this season, but it may be best for him to stay in Sweden one more season. And he may choose to do just that. By all accounts he is a cornerstone, top pairing defenseman. The reason I have mentioned Murphy is because when it comes to pure skill, by all accounts he is the most physically talented player in the draft. As a defenseman, his skill and skating has drawn comparisions to Steven Stamkos and Taylor Hall. His size is a question as he's only 5'10, but that type of size hasn't stopped players like Brian Leetch and Brian Rafalski.

As far as the Islanders and Larsson are concerned, the way this draft is set up, we will pick either 1, 4, or 5. It seems that Larsson will be drafted in spot 1, 2, or 3. If we were to win the lottery, I have liked Ryan Nugent-Hopkins since January. He is a dynamic offensive player. The way he skates he reminds me of Matt Duchene. He has drawn comparisons to Sakic and Datsyuk. The Oilers hierarchy has even gone as far as to tell TSN they feel his on-ice vision is the best since Wayne Gretzky (could be blowing smoke up his ass, who knows). If we don't win the lottery, RNH, Larsson, and Landeskog (the three cornerstone players in the draft) will all be gone when we pick at either 4 or 5. We'll have to choose from the likes of Sean Couturier ©, Ryan Strome ©, Jonathon Huberdeau ©, Ryan Murphy (D), Dougie Hamilton (D), or Nino's junior and Swiss teammate Sven Bartschi (W). The combine and all of the pre-draft hoopla will shuffle this list around a lot I'm sure. And also as Steve pointed out, the pre-draft rumor mill is going to be churning by a ton. All of the Oiler fans are expecting that they are going to trade the Kings 1st rounder and their 2nd to move up to the top 5, so expect to hear a lot of garbage about that.

thanks snowy for the opinion...yeah, I read that part about hopkins being compared to gretzy..


and gloobenberg....I would believe that rumor, only one thing..why would the nhl want to help us out? they never help us out...so, thanks for pointing out that rumor and making us aware..though, I do kind of wish..and pray..it was true..


then I'll go with snowys pick RNH...or I'll just stick with larsson...don't know..I just hope who ever they pick, is able to help the team out in a good way..go with the best available..
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Something wrong with Bill Torrey sitting on the panel for the Panthers, while Kerry Gwyder is the Isles rep.
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Something wrong with Bill Torrey sitting on the panel for the Panthers, while Kerry Gwyder is the Isles rep.

who's kerry gwyder
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Evan51838,Apr 12 2011
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Something wrong with Bill Torrey sitting on the panel for the Panthers, while Kerry Gwyder is the Isles rep.

who's kerry gwyder

Garth's secretary :puke:


f#@king Devils screw us.....hahahahahahahahahaha #5 it is.
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Screwed by the Devils again! :crying2:
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And we're 5th again

Big Surprise...At least it's still Top 5
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I say trade the pick...
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Another note why are all the Oiler fans celebrating like they won the Cup :dontknow: That's being happy for getting a participation trophy
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