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Shinnecock land deal; almost complete
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Apr 18 2011, 05:22 PM
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The Shinnecock Indian Nation and Nassau County are close to signing a memorandum of understanding that could lead to the tribe buying and developing about 40 acres of county land for a casino adjacent to the Nassau Coliseum, people briefed on the plan said. The proposal for a tribal casino and a hotel/conference center, still in its preliminary stages, would not be directly linked to any rebuilding of the Coliseum or to Islanders' owner Charles Wang's aborted Lighthouse project, the sources said. A source familiar with the county's plans confirmed that a deal was in the works but added it was "not signed yet." CASINO: Previously discussed locations | Map MORE: Complete coverage: Tribe's quest for recognition | Shinnecock section from Newsday's "Long Island: Our Story" publication A purchase price for the land has not yet been finalized, and several layers of federal and state approvals would be required for any deal to move forward, the people briefed on the plan said. The county would benefit from the casino through a revenue-sharing agreement that would be part of a compact between the tribe and the state that would give the county a percentage of casino earnings in addition to the land sale. Tribal spokeswoman Beverly Jensen declined to comment on talks with the county or any other potential site owner, noting that the tribe continues to consider parcels around Long Island. Nassau County Executive Edward Mangano made a reference a potential deal with the tribe during his state of the county speech earlier this month. Among options for eventually rebuilding the Coliseum, he said, is a "public-private inter-nation partnership with the Shinnecock Nation to develop a gaming casino on the land that surrounds the Nassau Coliseum. This project would include a hotel and conference center, a newly refurbished Nassau Coliseum and restaurants and stores." One source briefed on the plan said the idea of a tribal casino encompassing Wang's Lighthouse and the Coliseum was never really viable because it would have required sale of all the land for both projects to the Shinnecock Nation. Under that concept, tribal involvement was viewed as an advantage because a land-in-trust agreement would have allowed Wang to bypass Hempstead Town zoning ordinances and approvals that have stalled the project. Approvals would move to the federal level. Nassau County spokesman Brian Nevin refused to comment on the potential memorandum of understanding, but noted, "To create jobs and jump start our local economy, the county executive will move forward with a development plan this year." Islanders officials did not return calls seeking comment. In the past, Islanders owner Charles Wang has committed to keeping the team at the Coliseum through 2015, when the team's lease expires. Hempstead town spokesman Mike Deery said, "We're not going to comment on speculation as far as what the county may be contemplating. When they contact us or when we hear, we'll address those issues as they relate to the town property and the town zone."
This can be nothing but good news for Isles fans if it passes.
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/nassau/...asino-1.2824601 added link to article
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Snowy
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Apr 18 2011, 05:56 PM
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It is absolutely good news. Hopefully the Isles say something soon regarding the deal.
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Apr 18 2011, 06:13 PM
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That certainly does sound very promising.
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Apr 18 2011, 06:18 PM
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I love you, Ed Mangina. :lol:
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Apr 18 2011, 06:27 PM
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cautiously optimistic..
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Today Is A Great Day To Be An Islander Fan! Live For The Moment!
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Snowy
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Apr 18 2011, 06:29 PM
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- 3POTI,Apr 18 2011
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cautiously optimistic..
The article specifically said the Islanders are not directly linked so yeah its good to be cautiously optimistic. But nevertheless this is defintiely good news.
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Apr 18 2011, 07:32 PM
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Is it news or more posturing? Nothing's been signed. "Close to"?
It's more rumor as of now since they're "close to signing a memorandum" and there's "several layers of federal and state approvals would be required for any deal to move forward..."
I like Mangano. Much better than Suozzi, but he's still a politician. This task and all the layers of bureaucracy needed for our Isles to get something out of this where prices do NOT sky rocket while the team not only stays but can get out of financial headlock are very slim. Furthermore, Charles "I-know-better-than-everyone-else" Wang would still be the owner. That in and of itself sucks.
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Apr 18 2011, 07:56 PM
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Not gonna put in an upscale uber development with Coliseum and Isles as a centerpiece but will put a casino in??!! That should make that lovely area near the coliseum come alive...
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Apr 18 2011, 09:15 PM
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- stevedepot,Apr 18 2011
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Is it news or more posturing? Nothing's been signed. "Close to"?
It's more rumor as of now since they're "close to signing a memorandum" and there's "several layers of federal and state approvals would be required for any deal to move forward..."
I like Mangano. Much better than Suozzi, but he's still a politician. This task and all the layers of bureaucracy needed for our Isles to get something out of this where prices do NOT sky rocket while the team not only stays but can get out of financial headlock are very slim. Furthermore, Charles "I-know-better-than-everyone-else" Wang would still be the owner. That in and of itself sucks.
One step at a time Steve. With a refurbished Coliseum in place Wang has even less leverage to move the team. It could open up opportunities for other interested parties to buy the team and keep them here and allow Wang to move on to his next development project. Maybe the Shinnecocks buy the team and have an all inclusive entertainment venue half the size of Wangworld but much more profitable with the casino with limited federal tax liability. Ahh, we can dream.
Higher ticket prices in the future if the team stays is a battle for another day that hopefully we get to fight.
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Apr 18 2011, 09:31 PM
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Edward Mangano is the third county executive in a row to recognize the need to build on the last large public parcel in Nassau -- and the third to attempt having someone else pay for the privilege. Too bad Mangano's learned nothing from the failures of former county executives Thomas Gulotta and Thomas Suozzi. Or of developer Charles Wang and the old Long Island Regional Planning Board, both of whom had plans for the site. The missing ingredient all around was local support. Yes, much of the opposition was from NIMBYs; but more came from an inability to sell residents on the reality that development offered more benefits than drawbacks. CASINO: Previously discussed locations | Map MORE: Complete coverage: Tribe's quest for recognition | Shinnecock section from Newsday's "Long Island: Our Story" publication Now comes Mangano with a proposition of a novel sort: a public-private, inter-nation partnership with the Shinnecock Nation to develop a gaming and commercial center. The Shinnecock Nation has worked long and hard to win federal tribal recognition. And the right to fuel economic development for the tribe. But Mangano's proposal for a gaming casino near Nassau coliseum -- which is within walking distance of two college campuses, Hofstra University and Nassau Community College -- will generate a fight unlike any that's come before. Hofstra's already come out -- hard. And with good reason: A 2007 report by the New York Council on Problem Gambling noted that college-age gamblers were becoming addicted to gambling at alarming rates. Monday, Mangano's administration provided no details on reported talks with the Shinnecock. Instead, a spokesman referred a Newsday reporter back to Mangano's State of the County address. In it, Mangano said, "Over the coming months, I will seek public input . . . and work with community leaders to address any and all concerns." That's going to be one tall order because a casino is far different from proposals that have come before. Those were criticized mostly for being too big, which, in theory at least, left room for negotiation. The Town of Hempstead, which has zoning authority, last year decided to support a smaller development plan, effectively killing Wang's proposal. The town's new development zone does not include a gaming casino, but that would become moot should Mangano strike a successful deal with the Shinnecock Nation. Mangano -- like Gulotta and Suozzi before him -- has the right idea: Nassau desperately needs new revenue from an infusion of commercial development. But Mangano's execution -- like his handling of red light cameras -- is off. Mangano pushed red-light cameras for cash rather than safety; he wants a casino in Uniondale, rather than, say Belmont Racetrack, for the same reason. It's a flawed strategy that could, for the first time ever, put NIMBY's and smart growth advocates on the same side. There's a better way. And a better site for a gaming casino: Elmont, home of the Belmont racetrack, where residents have said, repeatedly, that they would welcome a gaming casino. "We're ready, willing and able," said Patrick Nicolosi, co-chair of the community redevelopment group. "We want it, we really, really want it." A gaming casino at Belmont, which is on state land, would mean less cash for Nassau. But less at Belmont -- or some other more suitable site -- beats the gamble of getting nothing in Uniondale.
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Apr 18 2011, 09:34 PM
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But even if the memorandum is signed by both sides, it's still not a sure thing. It would be only the first step in a sale of all or part of the 77-acre coliseum parcel to the Shinnecocks. The National Hockey League's Islanders would not necessarily be left in the cold -- they might also get a facility on the site.
The tribe would still face a series of legal hurdles before the dice could roll. To host gaming off reservation land, a parcel must first be placed into a trust by the federal government. Only four off-reservation casinos have ever been approved nationally, and a Supreme Court decision last year bars tribes recognized after 1934 from having land placed into trusts.
The Shinnecocks have lobbied President Obama to take action on that restriction. The tribe would also have to successfully negotiate a gaming compact with the state that would specify, among other things, Albany's take from the gambling.
A high state official told The Post the proposed agreement appears iffy, because both the legislature and the governor would have to sign off.
And, the official said, the feds are unlikely to take non-Indian land and turn it into Indian land.
That problem derailed the proposed Indian casino in the Catskills -- and that had gotten legislative approval.
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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/indian_...y3WNQzDw4MdL7oJ
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Snowy
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Apr 18 2011, 10:38 PM
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This is NOT happening in Belmont. And they can say all they want that the state won't sign off on this, but since the state now has to clean up Nassau's mess they may be a lot more willing.
And guys, for the record, the refurbished Coliseum thing is out. Any new plans will be for a brand new arena.
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Apr 19 2011, 08:05 AM
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But the traffic! The sewers! The water!
The only difference between this and the Lighthouse is that it generates more money for the county. It's all a bullshit game.
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Apr 19 2011, 08:36 AM
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But even if the memorandum is signed by both sides, it's still not a sure thing. It would be only the first step in a sale of all or part of the 77-acre coliseum parcel to the Shinnecocks. The National Hockey League's Islanders would not necessarily be left in the cold -- they might also get a facility on the site.
The tribe would still face a series of legal hurdles before the dice could roll. To host gaming off reservation land, a parcel must first be placed into a trust by the federal government. Only four off-reservation casinos have ever been approved nationally, and a Supreme Court decision last year bars tribes recognized after 1934 from having land placed into trusts.
The Shinnecocks have lobbied President Obama to take action on that restriction. The tribe would also have to successfully negotiate a gaming compact with the state that would specify, among other things, Albany's take from the gambling.
A high state official told The Post the proposed agreement appears iffy, because both the legislature and the governor would have to sign off.
And, the official said, the feds are unlikely to take non-Indian land and turn it into Indian land.
That problem derailed the proposed Indian casino in the Catskills -- and that had gotten legislative approval.
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Newsday is such a sham of a paper (by that horrid false sense of hope piece the other day) and by no means is the Post not one either. They both have political bias at opposite ends of the spectrum but we do not debate politics on here.
However, in the Post article they make the biggest point which underscores the main reason why this won't happen. Doesn't matter which political party has leverage over the other or is in control or stands to get any praise...here's the bottom line or close to it...
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A high state official told The Post the proposed agreement appears iffy, because both the legislature and the governor would have to sign off.
And, the official said, the feds are unlikely to take non-Indian land and turn it into Indian land.
That problem derailed the proposed Indian casino in the Catskills -- and that had gotten legislative approval.
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Apr 19 2011, 09:16 AM
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- Jackace,Apr 18 2011
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- stevedepot,Apr 18 2011
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Is it news or more posturing? Nothing's been signed. "Close to"?
It's more rumor as of now since they're "close to signing a memorandum" and there's "several layers of federal and state approvals would be required for any deal to move forward..."
I like Mangano. Much better than Suozzi, but he's still a politician. This task and all the layers of bureaucracy needed for our Isles to get something out of this where prices do NOT sky rocket while the team not only stays but can get out of financial headlock are very slim. Furthermore, Charles "I-know-better-than-everyone-else" Wang would still be the owner. That in and of itself sucks.
One step at a time Steve. With a refurbished Coliseum in place Wang has even less leverage to move the team. It could open up opportunities for other interested parties to buy the team and keep them here and allow Wang to move on to his next development project. Maybe the Shinnecocks buy the team and have an all inclusive entertainment venue half the size of Wangworld but much more profitable with the casino with limited federal tax liability. Ahh, we can dream. Higher ticket prices in the future if the team stays is a battle for another day that hopefully we get to fight.
This Cigarettes Kill / Penalty Kill brought to you by.... Shinnecock Indian Outpost Tax-Free Cigarettes
Seriously -- transferring this property to the tribe seems like way too big a political hot potato for this to proceed, but like a pro wrestling match, let's see how it plays out.
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The Moose
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Apr 19 2011, 09:34 AM
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i CAN has a goal!
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- 25yearfan,Apr 19 2011
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- Jackace,Apr 18 2011
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- stevedepot,Apr 18 2011
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Is it news or more posturing? Nothing's been signed. "Close to"?
It's more rumor as of now since they're "close to signing a memorandum" and there's "several layers of federal and state approvals would be required for any deal to move forward..."
I like Mangano. Much better than Suozzi, but he's still a politician. This task and all the layers of bureaucracy needed for our Isles to get something out of this where prices do NOT sky rocket while the team not only stays but can get out of financial headlock are very slim. Furthermore, Charles "I-know-better-than-everyone-else" Wang would still be the owner. That in and of itself sucks.
One step at a time Steve. With a refurbished Coliseum in place Wang has even less leverage to move the team. It could open up opportunities for other interested parties to buy the team and keep them here and allow Wang to move on to his next development project. Maybe the Shinnecocks buy the team and have an all inclusive entertainment venue half the size of Wangworld but much more profitable with the casino with limited federal tax liability. Ahh, we can dream. Higher ticket prices in the future if the team stays is a battle for another day that hopefully we get to fight.
This Cigarettes Kill / Penalty Kill brought to you by.... Shinnecock Indian Outpost Tax-Free Cigarettes Seriously -- transferring this property to the tribe seems like way too big a political hot potato for this to proceed, but like a pro wrestling match, let's see how it plays out.
Funny you should say that!
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Apr 19 2011, 11:16 AM
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So we form an alliance between Wanger and the tribe our new name will be...
The New York
Indians Shinny Cocks Redmen Palefaces f#@kowee Tonto's Red Tide
Oh, I don't know...add your own.
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Apr 19 2011, 11:28 AM
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- rifleman22,Apr 19 2011
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So we form an alliance between Wanger and the tribe our new name will be... The New York Indians Shinny Cocks Redmen Palefaces f#@kowee Tonto's Red Tide Oh, I don't know...add your own.
How about orange?
yellow and red makes orange.
and yes, SHAME on me for making that joke.
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Apr 19 2011, 07:35 PM
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I went over to IM to read about the chatter going on about this topic (pretty much the only reason I ever venture over there is to read the arena topics). Some of those people are trying to make the claim that this deal is only being done to force the TOH into approving the LH project. That is most likely the dumbest thing I've ever read on this topic. Both Ed Mangano and Kate Murray are controlled by the same people. If this project goes through its because the GOP wanted it to go through.
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Apr 19 2011, 07:55 PM
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I went over to IM to read about the chatter going on about this topic (pretty much the only reason I ever venture over there is to read the arena topics). Some of those people are trying to make the claim that this deal is only being done to force the TOH into approving the LH project. That is most likely the dumbest thing I've ever read on this topic. Both Ed Mangano and Kate Murray are controlled by the same people. If this project goes through its because the GOP wanted it to go through.
I disagree. This could be a posturing stance...or, another attempt, knowing full well it may never fly, but at the very least, Mangano can always say...."I tried".
Never trust politicians. They are controlled by lobbyists and our country is heavily influenced by them. Both parties.
BTW Snowy, re: Leetch.
http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/9536/fought_breakdown
List him as 6'1
http://databasehockey.com/players/playerpa...lkid=LEETCBRI01
also hockeydb....List him as 6'1
espn, nhl.com and some others list him as 6' even.
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