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Shinnecock land deal; almost complete
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I wonder if most Long Islanders agree with me that going there is much better then going to Manhattan.




NOTHING COMPARES TO SEEING A CONCERT AT THE GARDEN

I agree! Nothing compares to the energy at a concert at MSG. Have been to many different arenas for concerts and MSG is just the best. It sucks for watching hockey though IMO!
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Nothing beats seeing a hockey game at the Garden for sure.....
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"clearly it's Rick DiPietro's stupidity that's put the islanders in this situation getting into an altercation when a game was over..." Keith Jones on VS

"But the Coliseum became a repository for all the team's troubles, a convenient scapegoat. There were suggestions that no major free agent ever would set foot in such a decrepit place. We have two words for anyone making that argument: Fenway Park. History says free agents would play in an old boxcar if they got enough money and had a chance to win." - Mark Herrmann

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Mulefan,May 15 2011
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4CUPZ,May 14 2011
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I wonder if most Long Islanders agree with me that going there is much better then going to Manhattan.




NOTHING COMPARES TO SEEING A CONCERT AT THE GARDEN

I agree! Nothing compares to the energy at a concert at MSG. Have been to many different arenas for concerts and MSG is just the best. It sucks for watching hockey though IMO!

If you're buying tickets via Stubhub or any other ticketing service, it's also MUCH more expensive. The Garden is the Garden, you can't compete with it. However, if you want a cheaper alternative, the Coliseum is always a great option.
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I saw My Chemical Romance, Taking Back Sunday, and some no name band at MSG two years ago for $37 if I remember correctly.
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It seems funny now that Nassau puts out a order to get a new Coliseum and today, Newsday and the Times both put out articles over how arenas are not a good idea:

http://mobile.newsday.com/inf/infomo;jsess...eed:i=1.2878622
(This should bypass their paywall, I think)

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/17/sports/a...&pagewanted=all
(Redirect from another site due to their paywall)

Interesting coincidence...

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THEDRIVE4FIVE,May 15 2011
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I saw My Chemical Romance, Taking Back Sunday, and some no name band at MSG two years ago for $37 if I remember correctly.

Saw Dave Matthews at both MSG and Coliseum last summer. By far the sound was better at MSG than the Barn. But MSG was just under an hour more from door to door and the sound was still really good at the Coliseum. I would miss going to shows if the Coliseum was abandoned.

And I do like the idea of a minor league baseball park to compete with the Ducks tix, which can be tough to get outside group sales offers through elementary school deals. And those school sponsored events are just brutal. I have to drink my face off just to deal with the damn quackers EVERY kid has and feels the need to blow incessantly for the entire game.

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Jackace,May 16 2011
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THEDRIVE4FIVE,May 15 2011
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I saw My Chemical Romance, Taking Back Sunday, and some no name band at MSG two years ago for $37 if I remember correctly.

Saw Dave Matthews at both MSG and Coliseum last summer. By far the sound was better at MSG than the Barn. But MSG was just under an hour more from door to door and the sound was still really good at the Coliseum. I would miss going to shows if the Coliseum was abandoned.

And I do like the idea of a minor league baseball park to compete with the Ducks tix, which can be tough to get outside group sales offers through elementary school deals. And those school sponsored events are just brutal. I have to drink my face off just to deal with the damn quackers EVERY kid has and feels the need to blow incessantly for the entire game.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

yes, but look on the bright side.
They drown out some of the annoying lawnguyland womenz' incessant babbling.


"Oh my gawudd, Trish, Trish, lemme axe you, doesn't Kevin Baez look a little like Garth Brooks?"

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btw, You hear alot dumber stuff than that.
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Today's Newsday article:

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/islan...rdles-1.2878622

After reading this, my vote is no. Sorry...I will not support Wang if he doesn't profit on this venture.

"NEXT!"
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Ahh yes, the dolan controlled newspaper will give you all the unbiased news concerning the Isles, the arena, and Wang.

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The previous articles in Newsday blogs on day of announcement and day after in print edition were very favorable.



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Dolan's general approach to improving any local arena that competes with MSG is usually negative.
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03:30 PM
It seems funny now that Nassau puts out a order to get a new Coliseum and today, Newsday and the Times both put out articles over how arenas are not a good idea:

http://mobile.newsday.com/inf/infomo;jsess...eed:i=1.2878622
(This should bypass their paywall, I think)

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/17/sports/a...&pagewanted=all
(Redirect from another site due to their paywall)

Interesting coincidence...

remember it's a leftwing media that does not want a conservative republican to succeed. if it was a democrat county democrat this and that we'd all hear it's a great idea.

the city was a financial mess when the yankees and the mets got their stadiums why is this different?
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rst033,May 17 2011
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IslandNative,May 16 2011
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It seems funny now that Nassau puts out a order to get a new Coliseum and today, Newsday and the Times both put out articles over how arenas are not a good idea:

http://mobile.newsday.com/inf/infomo;jsess...eed:i=1.2878622
(This should bypass their paywall, I think)

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/17/sports/a...&pagewanted=all
(Redirect from another site due to their paywall)

Interesting coincidence...

remember it's a leftwing media that does not want a conservative republican to succeed. if it was a democrat county democrat this and that we'd all hear it's a great idea.

the city was a financial mess when the yankees and the mets got their stadiums why is this different?

Because a new coliseum would directly compete with Dolan's MSG. Wanger use the media for his agenda, but so does Dolan. And I give Dolan the edge, since he owns a LI newspaper and Chuck does not.

But I still think this gets voted through. Maybe wishful thinking on my part.
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rst033,May 17 2011
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IslandNative,May 16 2011
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It seems funny now that Nassau puts out a order to get a new Coliseum and today, Newsday and the Times both put out articles over how arenas are not a good idea:

http://mobile.newsday.com/inf/infomo;jsess...eed:i=1.2878622
(This should bypass their paywall, I think)

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/17/sports/a...&pagewanted=all
(Redirect from another site due to their paywall)

Interesting coincidence...

remember it's a leftwing media that does not want a conservative republican to succeed. if it was a democrat county democrat this and that we'd all hear it's a great idea.

the city was a financial mess when the yankees and the mets got their stadiums why is this different?

Wang's as far left as DP is far sucking. Regardless, The County government is an eyesore to NYT, so I'm torn....maybe they didn't have the inner courage to post this about an arena the past decade but finally found the strength?
"clearly it's Rick DiPietro's stupidity that's put the islanders in this situation getting into an altercation when a game was over..." Keith Jones on VS

"But the Coliseum became a repository for all the team's troubles, a convenient scapegoat. There were suggestions that no major free agent ever would set foot in such a decrepit place. We have two words for anyone making that argument: Fenway Park. History says free agents would play in an old boxcar if they got enough money and had a chance to win." - Mark Herrmann

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Lexhair,May 17 2011
09:46 AM
Dolan's general approach to improving any local arena that competes with MSG is usually negative.

Exactly...remember who it was that killed the idea of a West Side Stadium for the Jets and Giants... Dolan.

Dolan knows a new NVMC means he can't have certain acts for 6 days when he already has them for 3. Newday will do everything it can to stop a new NVMC despite what the facts are.


and the times article mentioned in another post seemed to forget one key issue...the stadium they mentioned in their article is in a friggin desert with no permanent tenant in place...no wonder its a money loser.
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THIS is how it's done. Negotiations.
All parties agreeing to split costs at a fair rate and not worry nor burden taxpayers with the entire cost while massaging them with nonsense nor scaring them with fear of the alternatives.

Too bad it's all politics in Nassau with BOTH parties to blame while our owner tries his best to not spend a dime of his money.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=366186

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EDMONTON COUNCIL APPROVES FRAMEWORK
DEAL TO BUILD NEW ARENA
THE CANADIAN PRESS
5/19/2011 12:26:37 AM

EDMONTON -- Edmonton city council has approved an agreement framework with the Katz Group to build a new downtown arena.

The city says the deal will keep the Edmonton Oilers of the NHL in the city for 35 years.

The arena will cost $450 million, with the city providing $125 million, the Katz Group paying $100 million and $125 million coming from a user-paid facility fee.

The city notes in a news release that it is not a final or binding agreement and both parties must now work to secure the remaining $100 million required.


The framework allows for the city to own the building and the land while the Katz Group will operate the building and be responsible for all maintenance, upgrades, operating and capital expense costs.

City manager Simon Farbrother says the framework is fair for both sides.

"From the beginning we have approached this project with the twin objectives of creating a major engine to drive the revitalization of downtown and of creating a model for the long term sustainability of the Oilers in Edmonton," said Bob Black of the Katz Group.

"City council's decision is a watershed moment that puts us on a path towards achieving these objectives. There remains a lot of hard work ahead to conclude a definitive agreement and we are anxious to do so as soon as possible."

The deal was approved by an 8-5 vote.
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Wish our deal was as well thought out as that one is.
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Another Newsday piece on the Coliseum this morning, This time it's that they won't make money unless they develop the land (full mobile article for non-Dolan users)

http://mobile.newsday.com/inf/infomo;JSESS...0943&nopaging=1
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It says he'll have an easier time making money by building less....Murray levels. He gets the expensive piece thrown in for free.

Right now with the NVMC build, he makes money. To say otherwise is ridiculous. He lays out no cash and gets all arena revenues.

I guess no drama is bad business.
"clearly it's Rick DiPietro's stupidity that's put the islanders in this situation getting into an altercation when a game was over..." Keith Jones on VS

"But the Coliseum became a repository for all the team's troubles, a convenient scapegoat. There were suggestions that no major free agent ever would set foot in such a decrepit place. We have two words for anyone making that argument: Fenway Park. History says free agents would play in an old boxcar if they got enough money and had a chance to win." - Mark Herrmann

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Hopefully within the next 18-24 months an arena is finalized. I feel like if the isles get an arena deal in place the franchise will take off....finally

Even if it doesn't, they'll still take off.
For Canada.

BTW, in todays print Newsday. yet another article about the Lighthouse project being cut in half.
50% in that counter proposal by Kate Murray.
MUCH more palatable for EVERYONE IMO. Let's see if Wang is still full of it by how long he continues to ignore it.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/islan...nders-1.2834095

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NHL commissioner Gary Bettman said Friday that Islanders owner Charles Wang wants to stay on Long Island and that the team and public officials need to ratchet up talks in the next year about where the franchise will play.

"With the lease [at Nassau Coliseum] expiring in four years, with the change in [Nassau County's] administration, I think [team owner] Charles Wang is in a bit of a quiet period. He's tried everything and been unsuccessful at getting . . . [Nassau] County and Town of Hempstead on the same page," Bettman said at a meeting with Associated Press sports editors in Manhattan. "With four years to go on the lease -- and Wang has said repeatedly he intends to honor the lease -- then we probably need to get more serious and focus on this in about a year."

The Lighthouse Project -- Wang's massive redevelopment plan that included a new arena for the Islanders -- is all but dead, but Bettman said the owner remains committed to remaining on Long Island.

In July, the Town of Hempstead announced a zoning plan that was about half the density of the $3.8-billion Lighthouse Project. Wang's group said at the time the plan "did not achieve the goals of the county and the developer."

Responding to Bettman, Kate Murray, the Town of Hempstead supervisor, said in a statement: "We are on track to present and consider a dynamic zone for the property surrounding the Nassau Coliseum to the Hempstead Town Board in an upcoming June meeting. I hope that Mr. Wang will take advantage of my invitation to come in and review the proposed zone."

Murray was referring to Hempstead's "dynamic zone" plan proposed in July for the property surrounding the Coliseum and which will be presented to the town board in June.

The Shinnecock Nation and Nassau County were working on a deal that could lead to the tribe buying and developing about 40 acres of county-owned land for a casino adjacent to the Coliseum, a person with knowledge of the talks told Newsday this week.

An Islanders spokesman declined to comment and a call to Wong's office was not returned.

Given what Bettman described as a "well-documented lack" of progress on Wang's pursuit of a new venue, relocation might be the only other option for the Islanders. Bettman hopes that is a last resort.

Brian Nevin, a spokesman for Nassau County Executive Edward Mangano, said, "The county executive has made it a priority to retain the Islanders and create jobs by jump-starting development at the site of Nassau Coliseum."

ABOUT half. ABOUT?

So now we're taking Katie Strang's word as gospel? Katie Strang? The person you and most diehards have laughed at for months but here she's correct?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Pardon me but I'll take Giglia's researched word over a less credible on this issue Botta and a nail painting priority novice anytime. (Botta also said the LHP would get done before the Atlantic Yards in Brooklyn.) The 75% less residential puts the whole much less than ABOUT half.

Funny how there might be enough space, water and OK for traffic etc. for a casino, hotel, conference center, bigger arena, stores etc. per Crazy Eddie Mangano though but not enough for ABOUT half of the LHP eh? What a joke.

The day Newsday becomes credible is the day I stop drinking. Hence, I'll never have to stop drinking.


:lol: :cheers:

Wouldn't it be in her best interest to brown nose it and say 35%?

:rolleyes:

Nick Googlia is a blogger and his "research" consists of an "unnamed source".



Pretty much every pub reported the overall scope cut to half but I guess for dramatic affect
35% from Googlia sounds better.
Doesn't matter either way, the emperor won't go for it.


As for a Casino affecting the water table/power etc more than a reduced residential area, it holds no water IMO. The runoff of waste is smaller. Check the details.



;)

She's too flaky to know her best interest..unless it's cupcake reporting. ;)

Every pub? Like who else besides the 2 geniuses you mentioned?

Who out there has done more research on this and is more credible?

The space and traffic for a casino etc. setup would be the same as for a reduced LHP.

But you're missing the point altogether. If TOH can't support more than ABOUT half growth of nothing and wants to keep the daffodills and goats instead of a pro sports franchise then C YA!!!!!!!! Guess all that corporate support, mass transit, tons of media, guaranteed spiffy arena and great fan support should sway them to stay though. :rolleyes:

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he Town of Hempstead has scheduled a zoning hearing for June 21. In her zoning proposal for the site last summer, town Supervisor Kate Murray allowed for 5.4 million square feet of buildable space, compared with 8.8 million square feet sought by the Lighthouse plan.


That looks like 60% to me.

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