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Shinnecock land deal; almost complete
Topic Started: Apr 18 2011, 05:22 PM (5,547 Views)
Snowy
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sybo,May 10 2011
03:06 PM
Snowman,May 10 2011
04:01 PM
stevedepot,May 10 2011
02:49 PM
it's a smokescreen snowy.

"plans" for
if they can't get their way there, they will explore all options.
Wang will paint himself as the victim again.
terms like "economically viable" will be tossed around.

in the end it's an attempt at leverage.

a casino will never happen at current site. could happen many years form now at Belmont
and the biggest travesty in this is, Wang needs POSITIVE HOPE to be sold so he
can sell tix packages.

Steve, when the Casino stories started to come out, Elmont supposedly came out in support of a Casino at Belmont. I live VERY close to Belmont. That area is in deperate need of an economic revival. If they've changed their mind to put the Casino at Belmont, there's not going to be any opposition.

Why have a press conference at the NVMC to announce a plan to build @ Belmont ;)

sy, they are not having a press conference at the Coliseum to announce a casino plan at Belmont. They are having a press conference at the Coliseum to announce a new arena and sports complex on the Coliseum site AND a casino plan. If they had the announcement at Eisenhower Park, does it mean they'd have to build it at Eisenhower Park?
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Snowman,May 10 2011
04:10 PM
If they had the announcement at Eisenhower Park, does it mean they'd have to build it at Eisenhower Park?

YES :P

I can only process logic
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but how can you not be excited about DiPietro…Robert Nilsson…Ryan O'Marra…Petteri Nokelainen…Jeremy Colliton…Kyle Okposo…Blake Comeau…Sean Bergenheim…Chris Campoli…and so many others.
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I was just thinking....this sports entertainment complex....they should call it XANADU
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

my Jersey peeps know what I'm saying
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but how can you not be excited about DiPietro…Robert Nilsson…Ryan O'Marra…Petteri Nokelainen…Jeremy Colliton…Kyle Okposo…Blake Comeau…Sean Bergenheim…Chris Campoli…and so many others.
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sybo,May 10 2011
03:17 PM
I was just thinking....this sports entertainment complex....they should call it XANADU
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

my Jersey peeps know what I'm saying

:rofl:

Just out of curiosity because I'm a Jets season ticket holder and I've been watching that thing go up for probably a decade. What the hell is the deal with Xanadu?
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Snowman,May 10 2011
04:25 PM
sybo,May 10 2011
03:17 PM
I was just thinking....this sports entertainment complex....they should call it XANADU
:rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

my Jersey peeps know what I'm saying

:rofl:

Just out of curiosity because I'm a Jets season ticket holder and I've been watching that thing go up for probably a decade. What the hell is the deal with Xanadu?

It's been taken over by the people that built the Mall of America in Minnesota...and will be renamed and repainted ..and supposedly open by 2014...before the super bowl.
http://www.northjersey.com/columnists/ahea...arn_051110.html

Will be cool as hell if it ever opens...

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but how can you not be excited about DiPietro…Robert Nilsson…Ryan O'Marra…Petteri Nokelainen…Jeremy Colliton…Kyle Okposo…Blake Comeau…Sean Bergenheim…Chris Campoli…and so many others.
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Unless this is a signed and sealed deal announcement; one which everyone has agreed on and they put shovels in the ground; whoever tied the Isles to this press conference woefully underestimated our patience for these kinds of shows.
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I doubt very much that we'll ever see a Casino at Belmont, when only a few miles away one is opening at Aqueduct in the next 2 months. If there is a Casino, it will be on the same site as the coliseum, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if the 'Arena' is part of the hotel/casino complex like they have at Mohegan Sun for womens basketball and arena football.
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i can see it now.. " hey mr jones, sorry you lost 25 thousand dollars.. heres a pair of tickets to the islanders complimentary of the shinnicock clan"!
just what a loser wants to do.. see more losers
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This is an easy out and a win win for everyone.
Not because it will get done.
Because after the vote, when it doesn't pass. Mangano and Wang can say, see voters/fans, I tried, I was on YOUR side.


The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Webb20,May 10 2011
04:31 PM
I doubt very much that we'll ever see a Casino at Belmont, when only a few miles away one is opening at Aqueduct in the next 2 months. If there is a Casino, it will be on the same site as the coliseum, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if the 'Arena' is part of the hotel/casino complex like they have at Mohegan Sun for womens basketball and arena football.

No way a casino is ever gonna happen right next to a major college. Mark my words. If they try it will end up in litigation for years. It will go down just like the Lighthouse Project maybe even faster. Anyone wanna bet?
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Webb20,May 10 2011
05:31 PM
I doubt very much that we'll ever see a Casino at Belmont, when only a few miles away one is opening at Aqueduct in the next 2 months. If there is a Casino, it will be on the same site as the coliseum, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if the 'Arena' is part of the hotel/casino complex like they have at Mohegan Sun for womens basketball and arena football.

Is the Aqueduct one going to have table games? That's the only reason I don't go to that one in Yonkers, slots bore me.
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stevedepot,May 10 2011
08:10 PM
This is an easy out and a win win for everyone.
Not because it will get done.
Because after the vote, when it doesn't pass. Mangano and Wang can say, see voters/fans, I tried, I was on YOUR side.


The more things change, the more they stay the same.

That is what I would expect.
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Guys, received confirmation tonight the Casino will be at Belmont.
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The Penguins' new arena was part of a deal with a casino. I think the casino was built a couple of blocks from the new arena. I guess what I'm trying to say is that something similar was done in Pittsburgh, so there might be hope after all.

"The Lemieux Group explored options to build a replacement for Pittsburgh Civic Arena, the oldest arena in the NHL, since its purchase of the Penguins in 1999.[5] In an attempt not to use public funding, the Penguins filed for a slots license under the Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board. The Penguins were granted the license, though the decision of which casino company would receive approval was the Gaming Control Board's decision.[6] The Lemieux Group reached an agreement with Isle of Capri Casinos, which offered to fully fund a US$290 million arena, if Capri could also construct a $500 million casino nearby.[6] Other casinos, including Majestic Star Casino and Forest City Enterprises, also agreed to partially contribute to the arena's funding.[7] On December 20, 2006, the Gaming Control Board awarded the license to Majestic Star Casino, who agreed to pay $7.5 million for the first 30 years,[8] in addition to the Penguins paying $4 million per year.[9][10] The casino experienced financial difficulty, which could have led to taxpayers financing the entire project. However, on August 14, 2008 the Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board selected Neil Bluhm to take ownership of the casinos, which pulled the casinos out of risk of bankruptcy.[11]


The arena as of July 2009The arena's funding plan was agreed upon by Penguins owner Mario Lemieux, Pittsburgh mayor Luke Ravenstahl, and Pennsylvania governor Ed Rendell on March 13, 2007, after much negotiation.[12] During negotiations, the Penguins explored moving the franchise to Kansas City or Las Vegas; after the deal was made the Penguins agreed to stay in Pittsburgh for at least thirty more years.[12] Lemieux later stated that relocating the franchise was never a possibility, but instead it was a negotiation tactic to help the team get funding for the arena from both state and local officials.[13] The arena was originally scheduled to open for the 2009–10 NHL season; however, this was pushed back to the 2010–11 NHL season.[14][15] The arena was expected to cost approximately $290 million, but rose to $321 million due to increased cost of steel and insurance.[16][17] The Penguins agreed to pay $3.8 million per year toward construction, with an additional $400,000 per year toward capital improvements.[12] After $31 million cost rise, the Penguins pledged an additional $15.5 million, while the State and Sports and Exhibition Authority split the difference.[16][17] In September 2009, the State contributed an additional $5.08 million from the "Pennsylvania Gaming Economic Development and Tourism Fund" to cover a rising "interest on variable rate bonds".[18]

The arena is expected to help the surrounding area grow financially; plans are in place to construct a bar and a grocery store nearby.[19][20] In October 2008, the Penguins reached an agreement with the Horizon Properties Group to build a 135-room hotel adjacent to the arena.[21][22] A "nationally-franchised hotel" is expected to open in August 2010.[21] A 15-foot montage of pictures inspired by the works of August Wilson will be created for Fifth and Centre Avenues."
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IslandersWin86,May 10 2011
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Webb20,May 10 2011
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I doubt very much that we'll ever see a Casino at Belmont, when only a few miles away one is opening at Aqueduct in the next 2 months.   If there is a Casino, it will be on the same site as the coliseum, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if the 'Arena' is part of the hotel/casino complex like they have at Mohegan Sun for womens basketball and arena football.

Is the Aqueduct one going to have table games? That's the only reason I don't go to that one in Yonkers, slots bore me.

It'll be just like Yonkers in the types of games. VLT terminals compared to real casino class 3 slots/video poker. VLT..video lottery terminal, all connected to one central server that determines your outcome, every machine with the same chance. I hate Yonkers for that reason. And no table games, however, I see that Yonkers have roulette now, which is a game of independent outcome, the only other one other than quick draw the state offers.

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Some states have restrictions on the type (called "class") of slot machines that can be used in a casino or other gaming area. "Class III" (or "traditional") slot machines operate independently from a centralized computer system and a player's chance of winning any payout is the same with every play. Class III slot machines are most often seen in Nevada or Atlantic City and are sometimes referred to as "Vegas-style slots".

"Class II" slot machines (also known as "video lottery terminals" or "VLTs") are connected to a centralized computer system that determines the outcome of each wager. In this way, Class II slot machines mimic scratch-off lottery tickets in that each machine has an equal chance of winning a series of limited prizes. Either class of slot machines may or may not have a player skill element.

In general a game must have all characteristics of a Class II game to be a Class II game. Any characteristic of a Class III game makes it a Class III game. The casino pays a fee to the state for each Class III game and can only purchase so many Class III licenses. There is no such restriction for Class II games. Class II games are not so tightly regulated by the state.

Class II game characteristics
The player is playing against other players and competing for a common prize.
There is not necessarily a winner in each game. The game continues until there is a winner.
In a given set there are a certain number of wins and losses. Once a certain combination has occurred it cannot occur again until a new batch is initiated. This is most obvious in scratch-card games using cards that come in packs. Once a card has been pulled from a pack, the combinations on that card cannot occur again until a new pack of cards is installed. One game is dependent on previous games.
The player must be an active participant. They must recognize events as they occur and must recognize when they have won and announce their winning. Bingo is an excellent example here.
All players play from the same set of numbers as the numbers are announced.

Class III game characteristics
The player is playing against the house.
Each game is independent of previous games. Any possible outcome can occur in any game.
Wins are announced automatically.


It'll be much better having an Indian Casino than a state run casino. Although nothing beats vegas or AC where each casino's license is on the line if games are tampered with. At least in these states there is a gaming commision that inspects each and every machine and that machine is visibly tagged with the date of inspection, at least ensuring the gamer that the game is a fair as it should be. There is no such oversight for Indian Casinos.
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stevedepot,May 10 2011
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This is an easy out and a win win for everyone.
Not because it will get done.
Because after the vote, when it doesn't pass. Mangano and Wang can say, see voters/fans, I tried, I was on YOUR side.


The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Botta just chimed in...

http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2011/05...-nassau-voters/

Only thing you need to know???

REFERENDUM!!!
Meaning a vote. Meaning no way Jose.

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And yes, after August 1, no one will ever be able to say Town of Hempstead Supervisor Kate Murray was a primary culprit in the Islanders leaving Uniondale.


Of course as fans we WANT to believe better but Project HOPE suckers many in.
Reading around the web...many Isles fans are letting their fantasy take hold of their better judgment.

Tomorrow is more BS posturing. Cannot wait for the Mickey Mouse media to chime in on this and tell us complainers how wrong we are...again.

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Have a great evening everyone.
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Wish I could vote but I live in NJ...You guys think it will pass?
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WHAT HAPPENED TO THE
"I'D STILL BE LOSING MONEY IF I ONLY RENOVATED THE COLISEUM" ROUTINE :dontknow: :jerkit:


WILL NASSAU COUNTY CONTINUE TO LET POOR CHUCKY KEEP ALL THE MONEY FROM ALL THE COLISEUM EVENTS (OLD AND NEW)


AN AUGUST VOTE
HOPEFULLY EARLY ENOUGH THAT GARF
GETS AN INCREASE IN HIS DUMPSTER DIVING BUDGET

OH THE EXCITEMENT
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A promise from the County executive that a new building is coming is all Garth will need to sign those top flight Free agents. They will be lining up to sign with us now.
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