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| stevedepot | May 11 2011, 08:54 AM Post #121 |
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Garth will call in yet another favor to another agent who wants to drive his players free agent salary up just like they did with Paul Martin. Works great for both parties involved. Agent gets positive spin for his client and a lil more from teams he WANTS to play for and Garth got a good excuse to give anyone naive enough to buy it. |
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| Webb20 | May 11 2011, 10:26 AM Post #122 |
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Newsday reports that the coliseum will be just by taxpayers monies in floated bonds. $300M for the arena, $50M for a minor league ballpark at Mitchell field. They are still saying Belmont for a Casino, but the County hasn't even talked to the Indians about that site yet. What info did the press conference yield? |
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I sold it all, retired and moved to Fabulous Las Vegas! "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."-Ben Franklin "Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves."-Ronald Reagan | |
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| IslandersWin86 | May 11 2011, 10:57 AM Post #123 |
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Kate Murray trying to sound like she was on the Islanders side all along $350M for Isles arena, $50M for minor league baseball Wang basically taking a loan from taxpayers to build it, with a piece of every dime earned through any events going to the county. Labor unions liked it. Veterans will be acknowledged i.e. naming. |
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| Mulefan | May 11 2011, 12:43 PM Post #124 |
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Go out and buy your Quebec Islanders jerseys. No way that this ever gets approved by Nassau County voters. There just isn't enough interest in hockey much less the Islanders in Nassau. Most people could care less and don't want to pay another dime for anything in these economic times. Not a snowballs chance in hell. So enjoy the next 4 seasons because it is off to Quebec or Winnipeg after 2015. |
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| rifleman22 | May 11 2011, 12:49 PM Post #125 |
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I may be the only optimistic fool on this board, but here goes. This is the first sliver of hope we have in keeping this team here. I hope beyond hope that the referendum passes by a landslide. This, I think, is not a way for the politicos to cover their collective asses, it is a way for Nassau County to finally have a "come to jesus" moment. Either end the torture by voting "no" and regret it for years to come, or vote "yes" and create jobs, tax revenue and tourism in a time when many other places are dying for it. And most of those places that are dying WILL die, especially in this economy. I want my Islanders to stay where they are and have a new arena. The fate of Islander fans is now OUT of the hands of the politicians and IN the hands of the voters of Nassau County. I can't see it any other way. I hope those with vision out vote those old shut ins that don't drive and are afraid of traffic.
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| Islander4cups | May 11 2011, 12:58 PM Post #126 |
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This isn't just about the Islanders. If the arena isn't renovated, it will be condemned by 2018. Think about it... The County was losing money on the arena, so much so they claimed they couldn't afford the 1 mill in upkeep a year. If the Isles move, there goes the only major tenant...then less of an operating budget and more dilapitation... and soon concerts, the Globe Trotters, Circus and Ice Capades don't come to NVMC either. This will get passed. The fact that it is a Monday in the summer and that it requires just a MAJORITY yes vote guarantees it. No one is getting on line in August heat to vote no. |
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| 25yearfan | May 11 2011, 01:02 PM Post #127 |
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A couple of things on this: - new Coliseum is going to deliver benefits to constituents beyond just Islanders fans -- concerts, kids events, tradeshows, other events all should benefit; NCAA basketball? Figure skating regional events? US Curling Championships? (ok, too obscure?) - baseball should do well - we live 5 min from the LI Ducks, usually a good crowd there, probably bigger draw with more population near NVMC - there needs to be a way for neighbors in Queens, Suffolk who are NYI fans to get involved -- maybe fund a separate entity that feeds back / reduces the bond commitment(?) - people should rally for some tangible sign of local recovery - why not this? - this is probably the last, best hope to get something done in a timeframe that's helpful for keeping NYI in Nassau -- they are going to ping pong the Lighthouse to death - this should have been done ten years ago - pre-vote organization needs massive support from fans beyond Nassau - I'm going to contact the folks I'm friendly with who are tight with Mangano / see how I can put my back into this -- besides writing random / image heavy posts here, I am looking for a way to contribute to a YES vote on August 1. Call me naive. Call me a dreamer. Call me a middle aged man fairly obsessed with the Islanders, and the hope that my son will get to see them win the Cup, as I did at his age. (Repeatedly.) Just don't call me late for dinner.... |
Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
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| dragoneye | May 11 2011, 01:44 PM Post #128 |
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I asked Mr. Wang today what he would do if the proposal didn't pass. He said he didn't even want to think about it, and when pressed a bit he said basically all options are on the table again. All of you in Nassau need to motivate to get this done. Make sure you vote for the new coliseum, and get your friends and neighbors to vote too. If it is true, the bond will act as a loan that will be paid back to the people. There were no specific details as to what percentage of each dollar of revenue will be shared, but it seems promising. They are presenting it as a no brainer and it just might be. Keep the team on LI. |
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| stevedepot | May 11 2011, 01:54 PM Post #129 |
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This is the first I heard of the one question I WANTED answered. THANK YOU and great job!
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| 4CUPZ | May 11 2011, 01:59 PM Post #130 |
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JOHN YOU SHOULD HAVE ASKED WANG A FEW YEARS AGO JUST DOING THE COLISEUM WAS SHOT DOWN HE WASNT INTERESTED AND HE WOULD NEVER GET HIS MONEY BACK WHATS CHANGED? AND TO LIE SAYING ALL HE EVER WANTED WAS A NEW COLISEUM TO KEEP THE ISLANDERS HERE WHERE THEY BELONG HE'S FULL OF IT BUT I GUESS HE'S BETTING ON A SHORT MEMORY SPAN |
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| Webb20 | May 11 2011, 02:11 PM Post #131 |
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What's changed you ask?? His investment goes from all to nil. It's all on the taxpayers with a bond issue. Before he had to build a $1B real estate deal to cover the cost of the Coliseum, now he's just a tenant/mangement corp/middle man who will rake in the bucks and pay his lease to the county. Once public funds took over it becomes a no brainer for him. |
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I sold it all, retired and moved to Fabulous Las Vegas! "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."-Ben Franklin "Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves."-Ronald Reagan | |
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| dragoneye | May 11 2011, 02:25 PM Post #132 |
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What has changed is that he won't be financing the plan directly anymore. The way the deal sounds that Wang will give a percentage of future revenue to Nassau county eventually paying back the money. They haven't decided anything about the percentage, and like BD said today the devil is in the details. The details are still up in the air, but at least there is something to work on. I think the idea is to present it as a partnership between the people of LI/ Nassau County and the Islanders. One where the people can't lose and it is a no brainer. Again, see devil is in the details comment. |
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| Snowy | May 11 2011, 02:31 PM Post #133 |
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I hate to say this guys, but there's close to zero chance of this happening. This has generated more negativity than even I thought was possible. I figured there would at least be some people publicly who were for this. Doesn't seem like anyone is. Only hope is that this negativity dies down drastically over the next two months and the opposition against this goes to sleep. Probably not going to happen. |
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| sybo | May 11 2011, 02:32 PM Post #134 |
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Prolly time for a new thread on this... Anyway...here is Botta's take...for espn.com:
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| gdprof27 | May 11 2011, 02:42 PM Post #135 |
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Can I move in with someone here who lives in Nassau County? I can look after myself and I'll be out by noon on August 1st. This will be agonizing for Islander fans with no vote in the matter! |
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| Mulefan | May 11 2011, 02:43 PM Post #136 |
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In these economic times??? Are you serious??? Tax payers, especially those who could give a rats ass about hockey will show up in droves for that vote. 90% of people I know could care less about hockey and could care less about having a new arena for Ice Capades, Harlem Globetrotters or anything else like that. What they do care about is having some of the highest tax rates in the nation, rising food and gas prices, and other forms of inflation. They will show up and shoot this down in a NY minute if not for anything else than making a point that enough is enough and they aren't coughing up another dime for something like a hockey arena. As far as being repaid through future profits there is no way to guarantee that there will be any profits. I don't think a new building will mean sell outs every night if at all. People like me can't even afford to go under current prices. You think all of a sudden with much higher admission prices, concession prices, and parking prices that people in these economic times are gonna fill a new arena on any kind of consistent basis??? Maybe if you have the 1982 Islanders or 1985 Oilers playing there in Islander jerseys. Just take a look at the brand new just built Citi Field. I bet they thought that would be filled for years despite what the team did just because it was a shiny new building but it is empty. Even attendance at Yankee Stadium is down and they have a consistent winner. People can't spend what they don't have! I would love to see it happen but if you are footing the bill to Nassau County residents who are already completely fed up with what it costs to live there then it is a dead deal. You think voters won't show because it is a Monday???? We will see but I highly doubt that. In these times I think this will get shot down by a landslide, not approved by one. |
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| Mulefan | May 11 2011, 02:49 PM Post #137 |
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There is no way to guarantee that the new building will be profitable, especially in these economic times so it is basically a crap shoot by the taxpayers with no guarantees. I don't see the voting public taking that chance. I hope I am wrong and it is passed but I just don't see it happening. Why can't Wang pay for it and then pay himself back later??? Why isn't he willing to take that chance while Nassau residents are expected to take it??? |
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| sybo | May 11 2011, 02:55 PM Post #138 |
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Because he doesn't own the land...the county does. |
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| gdprof27 | May 11 2011, 02:56 PM Post #139 |
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| Rub Ur Ducky | May 11 2011, 03:26 PM Post #140 |
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I dont think it will get approved either cause hockey isnt popular enough...Sadly I think theyre gone if it doesnt...This is game 7...wish I could vote |
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