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Shinnecock land deal; almost complete
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This may be a delicate subject, but I think Islander and Ranger fans will support this measure. Even though you hate the Rangers, would you want to see their team dissolve or move? No Islanders = No rivalry. All hockey fans in Nassau should vote on this, not only Ranger's fans.
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dragoneye,May 11 2011
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This may be a delicate subject, but I think Islander and Ranger fans will support this measure. Even though you hate the Rangers, would you want to see their team dissolve or move? No Islanders = No rivalry. All hockey fans in Nassau should vote on this, not only Ranger's fans.

Ranger fan living in Nassau and paying high taxes.

Let's see, risk of higher taxes at some point or rivalry for the love of hockey?

:letssee:

I don't know.


Thank god I'm NOT a Nassau county resident. I'm sure the young kids who live with mom and dad are fully behind this and don't think about the retired folkies already paying very high school taxes, the highest electric rates in the country etc etc.

Most of the youth blindly jumping up and down for this have no concept of taxes and most will move off long island even if mom and dad leave them their house.

Borrow and gamble with the future...who needs a casino.

:lol:
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dragoneye,May 11 2011
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This may be a delicate subject, but I think Islander and Ranger fans will support this measure. Even though you hate the Rangers, would you want to see their team dissolve or move? No Islanders = No rivalry. All hockey fans in Nassau should vote on this, not only Ranger's fans.

I read some comments from a Ranger fan in Nassau who said straight up he would hate for the Isles to move and hopes the Isles get to a point where they and the venue are good enough to go catch some games even if the Rags aren't in town.
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sybo,May 11 2011
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dragoneye,May 11 2011
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This may be a delicate subject, but I think Islander and Ranger fans will support this measure.  Even though you hate the Rangers, would you want to see their team dissolve or move?  No Islanders = No rivalry.  All hockey fans in Nassau should vote on this, not only Ranger's fans.

I read some comments from a Ranger fan in Nassau who said straight up he would hate for the Isles to move and hopes the Isles get to a point where they and the venue are good enough to go catch some games even if the Rags aren't in town.

Maybe Nassau County can recruit Sean (the Mediator) Avery to speak up in favor of the referendum.

"I'm Sean Avery I'm a New Yorker for the New Nassau Coliseum. I want fans in all arenas to be able to not miss half the game waiting on bathroom lines and to pass through the concourse without feeling like they're in a mosh pit, and that applies to the Coliseum."


Forget it, we should let him focus on weightier issues....
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I think you have to add something to the NMVC "package" to make it an easier sell and increase it's potential to be a money maker. Add a recreational center (like chelsea piers) or something like that. Something in addition to a new arena to beef up the location as a "destination" location.



....and lose the baseball idea...that's got "loser" written all over it
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but how can you not be excited about DiPietro…Robert Nilsson…Ryan O'Marra…Petteri Nokelainen…Jeremy Colliton…Kyle Okposo…Blake Comeau…Sean Bergenheim…Chris Campoli…and so many others.
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I think you have to add something to the NMVC "package" to make it an easier sell and increase it's potential to be a money maker. Add a recreational center (like chelsea piers) or something like that. Something in addition to a new arena to beef up the location as a "destination" location.



....and lose the baseball idea...that's got "loser" written all over it

If we make it a place that advances youth moving and exercising, then it could be promoted by Beyonce and the First Lady.... I know there are lots of people who would vote yes if it means Mrs. Obama doing The Dougie and Running Man at a public event again.


[Non sequitur alert]

Speaking of energy innovations -- maybe they will employ fan-powered treadmills for supplemental zero-cost energy -- you want to keep the lights on in the third period? Start jogging on that french fry line, kid!

[Non sequitur alert part deux]

Viral video opportunity: The referendum should be promoted with a video brought to you by the geniuses (genii?) behind the "Two Brothers Scrap Metal" 30 second masterpiece. Zoom in on Charles Wang making a phone call across the county.... CW: "Hey, Ed, what should the County do with this huge parcel of undeveloped land?"

Or perhaps pay homage to the other recent cult classic with a "You Need to Call Junk Arena Giant!" spot -- bonus points for Charles Wang playing the part of the tagline babe "popping up" every couple of seconds.
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This may be a delicate subject, but I think Islander and Ranger fans will support this measure.  Even though you hate the Rangers, would you want to see their team dissolve or move?  No Islanders = No rivalry.  All hockey fans in Nassau should vote on this, not only Ranger's fans.

Ranger fan living in Nassau and paying high taxes.

Let's see, risk of higher taxes at some point or rivalry for the love of hockey?

:letssee:

I don't know.


Thank god I'm NOT a Nassau county resident. I'm sure the young kids who live with mom and dad are fully behind this and don't think about the retired folkies already paying very high school taxes, the highest electric rates in the country etc etc.

Most of the youth blindly jumping up and down for this have no concept of taxes and most will move off long island even if mom and dad leave them their house.

Borrow and gamble with the future...who needs a casino.

:lol:

Steve, I've been listening to people call Francesa all day long complaining about school taxes. Most of their complaints are about salaries of superintendents. If they are so vocal about that, why don't they do something about it? They don't do anything about it at all.

I went to Division Avenue HS in Levittown. The Super of Levittown Schools is named Herman Sirois. As a student in thst school district for 12 years, I saw him a grand total of 1 time: at my HS graduation. However, Dr. Sirois has a salary of $324,000 a year and a big controversy in the district about 10 years ago was that he used school tax money to build himself a brand new office with a marble bathroom and shower and essentially a bedroom because he "lives in NYC". Because I didn't know it wasn't possible for someone to commute to and from NYC on a daily basis? :blink:

Point is, school tax issue should be dealt with but not at the expense of the Isles. At the absolute worst this is going to cost Nassau County homeowners an extra $46 a year. It is a risk, just like buying a house is a risk. But you hope to see return on your investment. I am currently NOT a homeowner, but I am one who hopes to one day buy a home in Nassau County. And with taxes the way they are currently, it will make it very difficult for me to afford them. So I am absolutely going to go out there and vote yes. Because, worst case, I won't be able to buy a home regardless. I am hoping that this will lower taxes in the long run.

Again, I don't think there's any chance that this gets voted through. The spin that was put on this today was very sloppy. Left people more confused than anything, and that confusion basically turned to anger. They have a couple of months to right that. But, best case scenario, the opposition to this gets comfortable with the fact that its going to get voted down by a wide margin and stays home on August 1.

And BTW, a better question is what the hell is going to happen to that site if the Isles leave? Mangano basically said, it will be used for mixed use. You know what that means to me? That Hempstead and Uniondale extends themselves onto that land. That's really going to do a lot for revenues. :bag:
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Snowman,May 11 2011
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stevedepot,May 11 2011
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dragoneye,May 11 2011
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This may be a delicate subject, but I think Islander and Ranger fans will support this measure.  Even though you hate the Rangers, would you want to see their team dissolve or move?  No Islanders = No rivalry.  All hockey fans in Nassau should vote on this, not only Ranger's fans.

Ranger fan living in Nassau and paying high taxes.

Let's see, risk of higher taxes at some point or rivalry for the love of hockey?

:letssee:

I don't know.


Thank god I'm NOT a Nassau county resident. I'm sure the young kids who live with mom and dad are fully behind this and don't think about the retired folkies already paying very high school taxes, the highest electric rates in the country etc etc.

Most of the youth blindly jumping up and down for this have no concept of taxes and most will move off long island even if mom and dad leave them their house.

Borrow and gamble with the future...who needs a casino.

:lol:

Steve, I've been listening to people call Francesa all day long complaining about school taxes. Most of their complaints are about salaries of superintendents. If they are so vocal about that, why don't they do something about it? They don't do anything about it at all.

I went to Division Avenue HS in Levittown. The Super of Levittown Schools is named Herman Sirois. As a student in thst school district for 12 years, I saw him a grand total of 1 time: at my HS graduation. However, Dr. Sirois has a salary of $324,000 a year and a big controversy in the district about 10 years ago was that he used school tax money to build himself a brand new office with a marble bathroom and shower and essentially a bedroom because he "lives in NYC". Because I didn't know it wasn't possible for someone to commute to and from NYC on a daily basis? :blink:

Point is, school tax issue should be dealt with but not at the expense of the Isles. At the absolute worst this is going to cost Nassau County homeowners an extra $46 a year. It is a risk, just like buying a house is a risk. But you hope to see return on your investment. I am currently NOT a homeowner, but I am one who hopes to one day buy a home in Nassau County. And with taxes the way they are currently, it will make it very difficult for me to afford them. So I am absolutely going to go out there and vote yes. Because, worst case, I won't be able to buy a home regardless. I am hoping that this will lower taxes in the long run.

Again, I don't think there's any chance that this gets voted through. The spin that was put on this today was very sloppy. Left people more confused than anything, and that confusion basically turned to anger. They have a couple of months to right that. But, best case scenario, the opposition to this gets comfortable with the fact that its going to get voted down by a wide margin and stays home on August 1.

And BTW, a better question is what the hell is going to happen to that site if the Isles leave? Mangano basically said, it will be used for mixed use. You know what that means to me? That Hempstead and Uniondale extends themselves onto that land. That's really going to do a lot for revenues. :bag:

well if fat mike starts complaining about the taxes in Nassau its because the puppeteers aka the Dolans don't want a new Nassau Coliseum.

anyway all this BS about taxes is a farce because the new facilities will pay back what he county puts in.

if this new sports complex gets voted down it will be another nail in the coffin for Long Island and New York State and another reason to leave the area
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rst033,May 11 2011
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Snowman,May 11 2011
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stevedepot,May 11 2011
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dragoneye,May 11 2011
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This may be a delicate subject, but I think Islander and Ranger fans will support this measure.  Even though you hate the Rangers, would you want to see their team dissolve or move?  No Islanders = No rivalry.  All hockey fans in Nassau should vote on this, not only Ranger's fans.

Ranger fan living in Nassau and paying high taxes.

Let's see, risk of higher taxes at some point or rivalry for the love of hockey?

:letssee:

I don't know.


Thank god I'm NOT a Nassau county resident. I'm sure the young kids who live with mom and dad are fully behind this and don't think about the retired folkies already paying very high school taxes, the highest electric rates in the country etc etc.

Most of the youth blindly jumping up and down for this have no concept of taxes and most will move off long island even if mom and dad leave them their house.

Borrow and gamble with the future...who needs a casino.

:lol:

Steve, I've been listening to people call Francesa all day long complaining about school taxes. Most of their complaints are about salaries of superintendents. If they are so vocal about that, why don't they do something about it? They don't do anything about it at all.

I went to Division Avenue HS in Levittown. The Super of Levittown Schools is named Herman Sirois. As a student in thst school district for 12 years, I saw him a grand total of 1 time: at my HS graduation. However, Dr. Sirois has a salary of $324,000 a year and a big controversy in the district about 10 years ago was that he used school tax money to build himself a brand new office with a marble bathroom and shower and essentially a bedroom because he "lives in NYC". Because I didn't know it wasn't possible for someone to commute to and from NYC on a daily basis? :blink:

Point is, school tax issue should be dealt with but not at the expense of the Isles. At the absolute worst this is going to cost Nassau County homeowners an extra $46 a year. It is a risk, just like buying a house is a risk. But you hope to see return on your investment. I am currently NOT a homeowner, but I am one who hopes to one day buy a home in Nassau County. And with taxes the way they are currently, it will make it very difficult for me to afford them. So I am absolutely going to go out there and vote yes. Because, worst case, I won't be able to buy a home regardless. I am hoping that this will lower taxes in the long run.

Again, I don't think there's any chance that this gets voted through. The spin that was put on this today was very sloppy. Left people more confused than anything, and that confusion basically turned to anger. They have a couple of months to right that. But, best case scenario, the opposition to this gets comfortable with the fact that its going to get voted down by a wide margin and stays home on August 1.

And BTW, a better question is what the hell is going to happen to that site if the Isles leave? Mangano basically said, it will be used for mixed use. You know what that means to me? That Hempstead and Uniondale extends themselves onto that land. That's really going to do a lot for revenues. :bag:

well if fat mike starts complaining about the taxes in Nassau its because the puppeteers aka the Dolans don't want a new Nassau Coliseum.

anyway all this BS about taxes is a farce because the new facilities will pay back what he county puts in.

if this new sports complex gets voted down it will be another nail in the coffin for Long Island and New York State and another reason to leave the area

Who says the money will be paid back by the facilities??? You are assuming that those facilities will be profitable which I highly doubt unless the economy turns around. They did a very similar thing when the built the Meadowlands and a big portion of the bill never got paid back and had to be forgiven by the state. If that happened in this case the tax payers are the ones not getting paid back. It is a crap shoot at best with no guarantees that anything would get paid back.
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Who says the money will be paid back by the facilities??? You are assuming that those facilities will be profitable which I highly doubt unless the economy turns around. They did a very similar thing when the built the Meadowlands and a big portion of the bill never got paid back and had to be forgiven by the state. If that happened in this case the tax payers are the ones not getting paid back. It is a crap shoot at best with no guarantees that anything would get paid back.

This is a great point. The state backed the bonds for the old Giants Stadium and when the NJSEA couldn't make good, the state bailed them out. Then NJSEA had the stones to ask Gov. Whitman to back bonds to renovate what's now the Izod Center. Guess what happened there? They never did a thing to the Izod Center and it's falling to pieces.

This bonds are, if passed, are going to be backed by Nassau County which:
1. Just had it's rating dropped to A1 last fall. Not a bad rating but well below most municipalities.
2. Has its finances controlled by a state agency (NIFA) because they failed to have a balanced budget.

NIFA is justifiably concerned how the county is going to deal with the cash flow issues associated with a bond issue of this size. You might want to google "NIFA" and see what kind of relationship they have with Mangano.

This is a power play, pure and simple. Specifically to get the labor unions to line up with Mangano. NIFA has already angered the unions by enforcing a wage freeze on unionized county employees and Mangano is dangling all this union construction work out there to further turn the unions against NIFA.
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it's a different kind of bond deal- a bond syndicate backed by specific revenue. if your logic is right/correct your saying by 2015 the economy won't improve?

get a grip it's a great deal for Nassau County and it's citizens aka PROGRESS.

and as a matter of fact despite what you say about Nassau credit rating it's actually improving and the fact that people are starving for yield i will that this syndicate if passed, this bond float get's gobbled up faster than a big mac in mike franseca's hand!
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Mulefan,May 11 2011
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Who says the money will be paid back by the facilities??? You are assuming that those facilities will be profitable which I highly doubt unless the economy turns around. They did a very similar thing when the built the Meadowlands and a big portion of the bill never got paid back and had to be forgiven by the state. If that happened in this case the tax payers are the ones not getting paid back. It is a crap shoot at best with no guarantees that anything would get paid back.

This is a great point. The state backed the bonds for the old Giants Stadium and when the NJSEA couldn't make good, the state bailed them out. Then NJSEA had the stones to ask Gov. Whitman to back bonds to renovate what's now the Izod Center. Guess what happened there? They never did a thing to the Izod Center and it's falling to pieces.

This bonds are, if passed, are going to be backed by Nassau County which:
1. Just had it's rating dropped to A1 last fall. Not a bad rating but well below most municipalities.
2. Has its finances controlled by a state agency (NIFA) because they failed to have a balanced budget.

NIFA is justifiably concerned how the county is going to deal with the cash flow issues associated with a bond issue of this size. You might want to google "NIFA" and see what kind of relationship they have with Mangano.

This is a power play, pure and simple. Specifically to get the labor unions to line up with Mangano. NIFA has already angered the unions by enforcing a wage freeze on unionized county employees and Mangano is dangling all this union construction work out there to further turn the unions against NIFA.

this deal compared to the new Giant stadium is peanuts you really can't compare the 2 deals two different animals. seems like we're looking for a conspiracy were non exists bottom line you have an outdated facility and a county looking to step forward it's perfect timing the economy is weak construction co looking for work call it what this is really all about a shot in the arm of Nassau's economy way to go Ed Mangano!!! Ed's not screwing around he's making it happen

like I said in older posts it's not a matter of if it's a matter of when the Islanders get a new building
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Snowman,May 11 2011
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stevedepot,May 11 2011
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This may be a delicate subject, but I think Islander and Ranger fans will support this measure.  Even though you hate the Rangers, would you want to see their team dissolve or move?  No Islanders = No rivalry.  All hockey fans in Nassau should vote on this, not only Ranger's fans.

Ranger fan living in Nassau and paying high taxes.

Let's see, risk of higher taxes at some point or rivalry for the love of hockey?

:letssee:

I don't know.


Thank god I'm NOT a Nassau county resident. I'm sure the young kids who live with mom and dad are fully behind this and don't think about the retired folkies already paying very high school taxes, the highest electric rates in the country etc etc.

Most of the youth blindly jumping up and down for this have no concept of taxes and most will move off long island even if mom and dad leave them their house.

Borrow and gamble with the future...who needs a casino.

:lol:

Steve, I've been listening to people call Francesa all day long complaining about school taxes. Most of their complaints are about salaries of superintendents. If they are so vocal about that, why don't they do something about it? They don't do anything about it at all.

I went to Division Avenue HS in Levittown. The Super of Levittown Schools is named Herman Sirois. As a student in thst school district for 12 years, I saw him a grand total of 1 time: at my HS graduation. However, Dr. Sirois has a salary of $324,000 a year and a big controversy in the district about 10 years ago was that he used school tax money to build himself a brand new office with a marble bathroom and shower and essentially a bedroom because he "lives in NYC". Because I didn't know it wasn't possible for someone to commute to and from NYC on a daily basis? :blink:

Point is, school tax issue should be dealt with but not at the expense of the Isles. At the absolute worst this is going to cost Nassau County homeowners an extra $46 a year. It is a risk, just like buying a house is a risk. But you hope to see return on your investment. I am currently NOT a homeowner, but I am one who hopes to one day buy a home in Nassau County. And with taxes the way they are currently, it will make it very difficult for me to afford them. So I am absolutely going to go out there and vote yes. Because, worst case, I won't be able to buy a home regardless. I am hoping that this will lower taxes in the long run.

Again, I don't think there's any chance that this gets voted through. The spin that was put on this today was very sloppy. Left people more confused than anything, and that confusion basically turned to anger. They have a couple of months to right that. But, best case scenario, the opposition to this gets comfortable with the fact that its going to get voted down by a wide margin and stays home on August 1.

And BTW, a better question is what the hell is going to happen to that site if the Isles leave? Mangano basically said, it will be used for mixed use. You know what that means to me? That Hempstead and Uniondale extends themselves onto that land. That's really going to do a lot for revenues. :bag:

Sorry Snowy, I believe the point is more of the following...

people already paying high taxes and higher energy costs have no time to
figure out and deal with the districts who's superintendents are overpaid or corrupt
and separate that issue from the plight of our Islanders.
That is the last thing on their minds. That's your/our inner die hard fandom talking.

Put it to you this way...
Think even a marginal hockey fan is willing to shed a tear because a threat of the Islanders and a venue might leave?
They are not like us. They have been tapped out and sick of politicians and wealthy businessmen lying to them. Think half those residents don't want to vomit when they
think of the fleecing they've been through from Richard Kessel's BS?
Problem is, they are not thinking about Kessel, D'Amato, teachers unions or superintendents, Wang, Hillary Clinton or any one political party or specific businessman...they just read into having to foot the bill for something else and that alone is enough to
motivate someone to get in their car and cast a vote against the possibility of yet another hike.
That's why I think it will be voted down.

Hope I'm wrong and it gets through. I live in Suffolk and would be hard pressed to blindly vote yes for this if it was in my back yard since more clear DETAILS haven't been released.

And how about our Isles website?
Call 1-800-882-ISLES (ext 1) buy ticket packages...available now.
Ticket agents were already using this presser to try and push packages yesterday.

Maybe we should make popcorn and watch more of the dog and pony show from now until August.
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rst033,May 11 2011
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Lexhair,May 11 2011
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Mulefan,May 11 2011
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Who says the money will be paid back by the facilities??? You are assuming that those facilities will be profitable which I highly doubt unless the economy turns around. They did a very similar thing when the built the Meadowlands and a big portion of the bill never got paid back and had to be forgiven by the state. If that happened in this case the tax payers are the ones not getting paid back. It is a crap shoot at best with no guarantees that anything would get paid back.

This is a great point. The state backed the bonds for the old Giants Stadium and when the NJSEA couldn't make good, the state bailed them out. Then NJSEA had the stones to ask Gov. Whitman to back bonds to renovate what's now the Izod Center. Guess what happened there? They never did a thing to the Izod Center and it's falling to pieces.

This bonds are, if passed, are going to be backed by Nassau County which:
1. Just had it's rating dropped to A1 last fall. Not a bad rating but well below most municipalities.
2. Has its finances controlled by a state agency (NIFA) because they failed to have a balanced budget.

NIFA is justifiably concerned how the county is going to deal with the cash flow issues associated with a bond issue of this size. You might want to google "NIFA" and see what kind of relationship they have with Mangano.

This is a power play, pure and simple. Specifically to get the labor unions to line up with Mangano. NIFA has already angered the unions by enforcing a wage freeze on unionized county employees and Mangano is dangling all this union construction work out there to further turn the unions against NIFA.

this deal compared to the new Giant stadium is peanuts you really can't compare the 2 deals two different animals. seems like we're looking for a conspiracy were non exists bottom line you have an outdated facility and a county looking to step forward it's perfect timing the economy is weak construction co looking for work call it what this is really all about a shot in the arm of Nassau's economy way to go Ed Mangano!!! Ed's not screwing around he's making it happen

like I said in older posts it's not a matter of if it's a matter of when the Islanders get a new building

I was talking about the old Meadowlands facilities, not the new ones. I don't know how they were financed except that they also get all of that bogus personal seat license $$$$. If the Islanders try to charge for personal seat licenses there will be about 10 people at the games.
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The good news in all of this, and there is good news in all of this, is this:

The vote is occurring in August 2011.

Time enough to potentially work out a new plan if the vote goes sour.

Yes, the Isles' future rides on this vote to a real extent. But if the vote is reasonably close---40%/60 instead of a 25%/75% wipeout---there are still ways that a deal could get done.
A deal with less public funding. Or no public funding. Or public funding from the state instead of the county. So on and so forth.

Look at all the constituencies that want to see this get done: Nassau leadership would like to deliver a new arena. Nassau business and unions would like to take advantage of the opportunities that a new arena presents.And a fair number of Nassau voters will see a new arena as a long overdue and appropriate civic improvement, one that makes money for the county. Did Nassau lose money on the first Coliseum?? So, plenty of constituencies who want a new arena. The machine, the unions, and holy crap, some fair segment of the voters. That's a nice coalition.

Sure, I don't know if this vote will go well. I'd like to think so, but realistically, in this national political environment, with so much talk of debt, it might be tough sledding.

August 2011 gives the YES coalition time to make their case to the voters whose understandable knee-jerk reaction to bonds would be uh, hell no.

But an August 2011 vote tells me one thing: There is still time to make a deal if the votes don't favor THIS deal. Not much time, but some.
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Dr. Generosity,May 11 2011
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The good news in all of this, and there is good news in all of this, is this:

The vote is occurring in August 2011.

Time enough to potentially work out a new plan if the vote goes sour.

Yes, the Isles' future rides on this vote to a real extent. But if the vote is reasonably close---40%/60 instead of a 25%/75% wipeout---there are still ways that a deal could get done.
A deal with less public funding. Or no public funding. Or public funding from the state instead of the county. So on and so forth.

Look at all the constituencies that want to see this get done: Nassau leadership would like to deliver a new arena. Nassau business and unions would like to take advantage of the opportunities that a new arena presents.And a fair number of Nassau voters will see a new arena as a long overdue and appropriate civic improvement, one that makes money for the county. Did Nassau lose money on the first Coliseum?? So, plenty of constituencies who want a new arena. The machine, the unions, and holy crap, some fair segment of the voters. That's a nice coalition.

Sure, I don't know if this vote will go well. I'd like to think so, but realistically, in this national political environment, with so much talk of debt, it might be tough sledding.

August 2011 gives the YES coalition time to make their case to the voters whose understandable knee-jerk reaction to bonds would be uh, hell no.

But an August 2011 vote tells me one thing: There is still time to make a deal if the votes don't favor THIS deal. Not much time, but some.

Good post Dr G.

TOTALLY agree with that bolded part.
I think they're full of it when they hint that this is it.

There's always something else, or someone else looking to get involved.

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stevedepot,May 11 2011
07:30 PM
Sorry Snowy, I believe the point is more of the following...

people already paying high taxes and higher energy costs have no time to
figure out and deal with the districts who's superintendents are overpaid or corrupt
and separate that issue from the plight of our Islanders.
That is the last thing on their minds. That's your/our inner die hard fandom talking.

Put it to you this way...
Think even a marginal hockey fan is willing to shed a tear because a threat of the Islanders and a venue might leave?
They are not like us. They have been tapped out and sick of politicians and wealthy businessmen lying to them. Think half those residents don't want to vomit when they
think of the fleecing they've been through from Richard Kessel's BS?
Problem is, they are not thinking about Kessel, D'Amato, teachers unions or superintendents, Wang, Hillary Clinton or any one political party or specific businessman...they just read into having to foot the bill for something else and that alone is enough to
motivate someone to get in their car and cast a vote against the possibility of yet another hike.
That's why I think it will be voted down.

Hope I'm wrong and it gets through. I live in Suffolk and would be hard pressed to blindly vote yes for this if it was in my back yard since more clear DETAILS haven't been released.

And how about our Isles website?
Call 1-800-882-ISLES (ext 1) buy ticket packages...available now.
Ticket agents were already using this presser to try and push packages yesterday.

Maybe we should make popcorn and watch more of the dog and pony show from now until August.
I have great memories of this franchise with a less devious/cheap owner, but an owner who hired good people and allowed them to do their jobs.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think this is going to pass. However, there are a few things that make me think it has a chance:

1. The date. August 1st was clearly done on purpose. Not only is it taking place during the summer, but by being done on a Monday it gives it even more of a chance that people will be on vacation. I cannot believe there will be "no" votes that will plan that carefully to be around for the vote, but there will be "yes" voters who do.

2. Quiet mobilization. The attempt to get Kate Murray out of office failed miserably. And quite honestly, it was unrealistic. However, electing a politician is a bit different than a referendum vote. It has nothing to do with party alliance, which gets tricky. There is a much better chance of the "vote yes" push getting around by word of mouth. I've already spoken to at least 5 people today who have said they will go out of their way to vote yes. They will also get people to vote yes. I know this will not work across the board, but it will work in pockets. I doubt the "no" vote will happen the same way.

3. Getting too comfortable. I honestly feel that by the time August 1st comes around, this is going to be an after thought. I really believe people will be convinced that there is no chance of this passing, and that they won't be motivated to get out there and vote no. Summers are busy, people pay less attention to the news and more attention to their own plans, more importantly maybe Fatcessa will be on vacation the entire summer. There will be a good amount of people coming out to vote against this, but not the amount that there would have been had this happened on election day.

Those three things lead me to believe there is a chance we can squeak this one out. Obviously the key is getting the "people on the fence" who really have no vested interest in anything (don't own homes mainly) to vote yes for this. A lot of drawing public attention to this will only do damage, not good.
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sybo,May 11 2011
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Mulefan,May 11 2011
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Why can't Wang pay for it and then pay himself back later??? Why isn't he willing to take that chance while Nassau residents are expected to take it???

Because he doesn't own the land...the county does.

If he were to pay for the building, get a lease extension with a caveat: exemption from all...ALL state and local taxes until the expense plus prime is paid back to him, he's make out FAR FAR better that way. He writes off rent as a renant to the feds. His federal taxes are nil because he has years to write off capital expenses and depreciation.

If he owned the land? Not so fortunate.

But I'm no accountant, I just stayed at a Holiday Inn.
"clearly it's Rick DiPietro's stupidity that's put the islanders in this situation getting into an altercation when a game was over..." Keith Jones on VS

"But the Coliseum became a repository for all the team's troubles, a convenient scapegoat. There were suggestions that no major free agent ever would set foot in such a decrepit place. We have two words for anyone making that argument: Fenway Park. History says free agents would play in an old boxcar if they got enough money and had a chance to win." - Mark Herrmann

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