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Another great Newsday artucle.......; for Nassau County voters to chew on!
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Topic Started: Jun 14 2011, 11:39 PM (999 Views)
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Jackace
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Jun 16 2011, 12:44 PM
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For .71 cents per game you can have your NY Islanders stay on Long Island. Or, out of spite and hatred for its owner you can vote down the proposal and risk losing the team forever.
You are forgetting that probably 90% of Nassau residents could give a rats ass about the Islanders and NHL Hockey. I doubt most of them care about going to the circus or Ice Capades either. They can always make the 45 minute drive or train ride to MSG to catch the Harlem Globetrotters.
I'm not forgetting about them. I'm stating that point to Isles fans on here that would vote the bill down. To some, it sounds like the lesser of two evils is the only choice. I totally get it, too.
I'm a HS teacher on LI and vote to approve the budget every year, but I cant blame my mother who votes No every year because her kids are out of the district and out of school. But my mother isn't going out on a hot August day to vote down this proposal. I, on the other hand will vote Yes when the time comes only to try and keep the Isles where they belong. I hope other Isles' fans do the same!
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Jun 16 2011, 06:58 PM
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For .71 cents per game you can have your NY Islanders stay on Long Island. Or, out of spite and hatred for its owner you can vote down the proposal and risk losing the team forever.
You are forgetting that probably 90% of Nassau residents could give a rats ass about the Islanders and NHL Hockey. I doubt most of them care about going to the circus or Ice Capades either. They can always make the 45 minute drive or train ride to MSG to catch the Harlem Globetrotters.
I'm not forgetting about them. I'm stating that point to Isles fans on here that would vote the bill down. To some, it sounds like the lesser of two evils is the only choice. I totally get it, too. I'm a HS teacher on LI and vote to approve the budget every year, but I cant blame my mother who votes No every year because her kids are out of the district and out of school. But my mother isn't going out on a hot August day to vote down this proposal. I, on the other hand will vote Yes when the time comes only to try and keep the Isles where they belong. I hope other Isles' fans do the same!
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Jun 17 2011, 08:22 PM
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For .71 cents per game you can have your NY Islanders stay on Long Island. Or, out of spite and hatred for its owner you can vote down the proposal and risk losing the team forever.
You are forgetting that probably 90% of Nassau residents could give a rats ass about the Islanders and NHL Hockey. I doubt most of them care about going to the circus or Ice Capades either. They can always make the 45 minute drive or train ride to MSG to catch the Harlem Globetrotters.
No one is taking the train in to the see the globetrotters. If NVMC folds, then that means the big acts- U2, Biber lol, and the like now have 2-4 fewer shows in the tristate area. They aren't going to be able to expand a 4 show stay at MSG into an 8 show stay. Won't happen. MSG doesn't have the scheduling capacity.
So that will be a hit to the tri-state area's economy, not just Nassau's. I know most won't think in such terms, but if you are driving big acts out of your county and pro teams out of your county, then the question becomes...
wtf is coming INTO your county??
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Jun 17 2011, 09:37 PM
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For .71 cents per game you can have your NY Islanders stay on Long Island. Or, out of spite and hatred for its owner you can vote down the proposal and risk losing the team forever.
You are forgetting that probably 90% of Nassau residents could give a rats ass about the Islanders and NHL Hockey. I doubt most of them care about going to the circus or Ice Capades either. They can always make the 45 minute drive or train ride to MSG to catch the Harlem Globetrotters.
I'm not forgetting about them. I'm stating that point to Isles fans on here that would vote the bill down. To some, it sounds like the lesser of two evils is the only choice. I totally get it, too. I'm a HS teacher on LI and vote to approve the budget every year, but I cant blame my mother who votes No every year because her kids are out of the district and out of school. But my mother isn't going out on a hot August day to vote down this proposal. I, on the other hand will vote Yes when the time comes only to try and keep the Isles where they belong. I hope other Isles' fans do the same!
No offense, but I'm also a HS teacher and I ABSOLUTELY blame anyone who votes that way "because their kids aren't in the schools anymore".
That is a terrible attitude to have...spend the community's money when its my kids but screw the community's kids when it isn't mine?
No offense meant to your mom personally, but I taught in a community like that back in the 90's near Syracuse. What a shock that their young people leave now they have Oneida Nation Turning Stone casino (which they all damn to hell but then go and play there) buying up all their land and taking it off the tax roles.
I hope those who vote no would stay home. Now that I live in a state which does nothing but try to keep taxes low, I wish some of NYS residents would come down to hellholes like VA to live and see how you get NOTHING in services for the little taxes paid. No streets plowed for snowstorms, no street signs or hwy signs that make sense, nothing. NY residents feel like they are taxed too high. I get it. I was a resident for my first 33 years. But go to these states that pride themselves on "no taxes" or low taxes and see how little you get...especially educationally.
Its like everything else...you get what you pay for.
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Jun 18 2011, 12:33 AM
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For .71 cents per game you can have your NY Islanders stay on Long Island. Or, out of spite and hatred for its owner you can vote down the proposal and risk losing the team forever.
You are forgetting that probably 90% of Nassau residents could give a rats ass about the Islanders and NHL Hockey. I doubt most of them care about going to the circus or Ice Capades either. They can always make the 45 minute drive or train ride to MSG to catch the Harlem Globetrotters.
I'm not forgetting about them. I'm stating that point to Isles fans on here that would vote the bill down. To some, it sounds like the lesser of two evils is the only choice. I totally get it, too. I'm a HS teacher on LI and vote to approve the budget every year, but I cant blame my mother who votes No every year because her kids are out of the district and out of school. But my mother isn't going out on a hot August day to vote down this proposal. I, on the other hand will vote Yes when the time comes only to try and keep the Isles where they belong. I hope other Isles' fans do the same!
No offense, but I'm also a HS teacher and I ABSOLUTELY blame anyone who votes that way "because their kids aren't in the schools anymore". That is a terrible attitude to have...spend the community's money when its my kids but screw the community's kids when it isn't mine? No offense meant to your mom personally, but I taught in a community like that back in the 90's near Syracuse. What a shock that their young people leave now they have Oneida Nation Turning Stone casino (which they all damn to hell but then go and play there) buying up all their land and taking it off the tax roles. I hope those who vote no would stay home. Now that I live in a state which does nothing but try to keep taxes low, I wish some of NYS residents would come down to hellholes like VA to live and see how you get NOTHING in services for the little taxes paid. No streets plowed for snowstorms, no street signs or hwy signs that make sense, nothing. NY residents feel like they are taxed too high. I get it. I was a resident for my first 33 years. But go to these states that pride themselves on "no taxes" or low taxes and see how little you get...especially educationally. Its like everything else...you get what you pay for.
I4C.....when a 90 year old couple goes homeless because they can't afford their $12,000/yr tax bill, lemme know if administration is getting enough salary. Lemme know if the cops are making enough to conduct DWI sweeps.
We spend a lot. The argument is can we see politicians cut the crap vs. politicians sucking the glass **** we call the homeowner? How about we vote a few budgets down.
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"clearly it's Rick DiPietro's stupidity that's put the islanders in this situation getting into an altercation when a game was over..." Keith Jones on VS
"But the Coliseum became a repository for all the team's troubles, a convenient scapegoat. There were suggestions that no major free agent ever would set foot in such a decrepit place. We have two words for anyone making that argument: Fenway Park. History says free agents would play in an old boxcar if they got enough money and had a chance to win." - Mark Herrmann
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Jun 18 2011, 06:56 AM
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So that will be a hit to the tri-state area's economy, not just Nassau's. I know most won't think in such terms, but if you are driving big acts out of your county and pro teams out of your county, then the question becomes...
wtf is coming INTO your county??
minor league hockey , minor league acts
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Jun 18 2011, 08:36 AM
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For .71 cents per game you can have your NY Islanders stay on Long Island. Or, out of spite and hatred for its owner you can vote down the proposal and risk losing the team forever.
You are forgetting that probably 90% of Nassau residents could give a rats ass about the Islanders and NHL Hockey. I doubt most of them care about going to the circus or Ice Capades either. They can always make the 45 minute drive or train ride to MSG to catch the Harlem Globetrotters.
I'm not forgetting about them. I'm stating that point to Isles fans on here that would vote the bill down. To some, it sounds like the lesser of two evils is the only choice. I totally get it, too. I'm a HS teacher on LI and vote to approve the budget every year, but I cant blame my mother who votes No every year because her kids are out of the district and out of school. But my mother isn't going out on a hot August day to vote down this proposal. I, on the other hand will vote Yes when the time comes only to try and keep the Isles where they belong. I hope other Isles' fans do the same!
No offense, but I'm also a HS teacher and I ABSOLUTELY blame anyone who votes that way "because their kids aren't in the schools anymore". That is a terrible attitude to have...spend the community's money when its my kids but screw the community's kids when it isn't mine? No offense meant to your mom personally, but I taught in a community like that back in the 90's near Syracuse. What a shock that their young people leave now they have Oneida Nation Turning Stone casino (which they all damn to hell but then go and play there) buying up all their land and taking it off the tax roles. I hope those who vote no would stay home. Now that I live in a state which does nothing but try to keep taxes low, I wish some of NYS residents would come down to hellholes like VA to live and see how you get NOTHING in services for the little taxes paid. No streets plowed for snowstorms, no street signs or hwy signs that make sense, nothing. NY residents feel like they are taxed too high. I get it. I was a resident for my first 33 years. But go to these states that pride themselves on "no taxes" or low taxes and see how little you get...especially educationally. Its like everything else...you get what you pay for.
Not everyone can afford to pay the budget increases year after year when they are on a fixed budget, especially after losing over 40% of her fixed income portfolio from the last 2 recessions. My parents always voted for the budget, even when they send all three of their children to Catholic school and could have rationalized voting down the budget was in their best interest.
Unfortunately, there are too many people on LI that are victims of these harsh economic times and do what they can to survive. So I cant blame my mother one iota for doing what she can to stay in her house she has owned for 45+ years. Her vote is not a political stand or an indictment on the public education system, but rather a measure of self preservation.
I would applaud anyone that would vote for the budget on principle, when it could mean that they would then have to eventually move due to the rate increases over time. So I think a little perspective is always helpful before you take a stand one way or another.
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Jun 18 2011, 10:05 AM
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For .71 cents per game you can have your NY Islanders stay on Long Island. Or, out of spite and hatred for its owner you can vote down the proposal and risk losing the team forever.
You are forgetting that probably 90% of Nassau residents could give a rats ass about the Islanders and NHL Hockey. I doubt most of them care about going to the circus or Ice Capades either. They can always make the 45 minute drive or train ride to MSG to catch the Harlem Globetrotters.
I'm not forgetting about them. I'm stating that point to Isles fans on here that would vote the bill down. To some, it sounds like the lesser of two evils is the only choice. I totally get it, too. I'm a HS teacher on LI and vote to approve the budget every year, but I cant blame my mother who votes No every year because her kids are out of the district and out of school. But my mother isn't going out on a hot August day to vote down this proposal. I, on the other hand will vote Yes when the time comes only to try and keep the Isles where they belong. I hope other Isles' fans do the same!
No offense, but I'm also a HS teacher and I ABSOLUTELY blame anyone who votes that way "because their kids aren't in the schools anymore". That is a terrible attitude to have...spend the community's money when its my kids but screw the community's kids when it isn't mine? No offense meant to your mom personally, but I taught in a community like that back in the 90's near Syracuse. What a shock that their young people leave now they have Oneida Nation Turning Stone casino (which they all damn to hell but then go and play there) buying up all their land and taking it off the tax roles. I hope those who vote no would stay home. Now that I live in a state which does nothing but try to keep taxes low, I wish some of NYS residents would come down to hellholes like VA to live and see how you get NOTHING in services for the little taxes paid. No streets plowed for snowstorms, no street signs or hwy signs that make sense, nothing. NY residents feel like they are taxed too high. I get it. I was a resident for my first 33 years. But go to these states that pride themselves on "no taxes" or low taxes and see how little you get...especially educationally. Its like everything else...you get what you pay for.
imo allot of teachers are very pious. the teachers and the nea are out of control, like i said before i got my property taxes, and the school property tax-ouch! that's driving everyone out of Nassau and out of NYS. I know the "children are our future" but this is nuts.
as a product of the public schools on LI i wish i would have gone to private school-the public school eduction is not worth the money-sorry
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Jun 18 2011, 12:04 PM
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For .71 cents per game you can have your NY Islanders stay on Long Island. Or, out of spite and hatred for its owner you can vote down the proposal and risk losing the team forever.
You are forgetting that probably 90% of Nassau residents could give a rats ass about the Islanders and NHL Hockey. I doubt most of them care about going to the circus or Ice Capades either. They can always make the 45 minute drive or train ride to MSG to catch the Harlem Globetrotters.
I'm not forgetting about them. I'm stating that point to Isles fans on here that would vote the bill down. To some, it sounds like the lesser of two evils is the only choice. I totally get it, too. I'm a HS teacher on LI and vote to approve the budget every year, but I cant blame my mother who votes No every year because her kids are out of the district and out of school. But my mother isn't going out on a hot August day to vote down this proposal. I, on the other hand will vote Yes when the time comes only to try and keep the Isles where they belong. I hope other Isles' fans do the same!
No offense, but I'm also a HS teacher and I ABSOLUTELY blame anyone who votes that way "because their kids aren't in the schools anymore". That is a terrible attitude to have...spend the community's money when its my kids but screw the community's kids when it isn't mine? No offense meant to your mom personally, but I taught in a community like that back in the 90's near Syracuse. What a shock that their young people leave now they have Oneida Nation Turning Stone casino (which they all damn to hell but then go and play there) buying up all their land and taking it off the tax roles. I hope those who vote no would stay home. Now that I live in a state which does nothing but try to keep taxes low, I wish some of NYS residents would come down to hellholes like VA to live and see how you get NOTHING in services for the little taxes paid. No streets plowed for snowstorms, no street signs or hwy signs that make sense, nothing. NY residents feel like they are taxed too high. I get it. I was a resident for my first 33 years. But go to these states that pride themselves on "no taxes" or low taxes and see how little you get...especially educationally. Its like everything else...you get what you pay for.
imo allot of teachers are very pious. the teachers and the nea are out of control, like i said before i got my property taxes, and the school property tax-ouch! that's driving everyone out of Nassau and out of NYS. I know the "children are our future" but this is nuts. as a product of the public schools on LI i wish i would have gone to private school-the public school eduction is not worth the money-sorry
You have no idea just how pious some teachers out here on Long Island are. I agree with you about that however, there are an equally great amount of teachers that are effective and Long Island public educations are better than the city.
The following however is for some teachers out in Suffolk...
What sickens me are ones who use the excuse that "we really care about the children.." for increases when infact they care more for their pensions/tenure/benefits. 6-9% increases in many districts, cutting certain programs and blaming government while ALWAYS reminding us of just how intelligent and educated they are. Really? Guess the rest of us didn't go to school or get educations parallel to your effing universe of pious, condescending vitriol.
There are many GREAT teachers on Long Island. Unfortunately, myself and many neighbors, friends, commuting buddies, (many with far greater educations than some of these teachers) have to deal with their absurd disdain for anyone who isn't an educator because they see them as lesser class of people. Those who've spoken to teachers, raised concerns that were swept under the rug because schools fear litigation and have no balls, all while they, the principal and Superintendent would much rather diffuse situations than find solutions.
When I grew up...teachers had balls and educators took a stand and they were respected. Lawsuits have ruined everything and how we make decisions.
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Jun 19 2011, 07:30 AM
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For .71 cents per game you can have your NY Islanders stay on Long Island. Or, out of spite and hatred for its owner you can vote down the proposal and risk losing the team forever.
You are forgetting that probably 90% of Nassau residents could give a rats ass about the Islanders and NHL Hockey. I doubt most of them care about going to the circus or Ice Capades either. They can always make the 45 minute drive or train ride to MSG to catch the Harlem Globetrotters.
I'm not forgetting about them. I'm stating that point to Isles fans on here that would vote the bill down. To some, it sounds like the lesser of two evils is the only choice. I totally get it, too. I'm a HS teacher on LI and vote to approve the budget every year, but I cant blame my mother who votes No every year because her kids are out of the district and out of school. But my mother isn't going out on a hot August day to vote down this proposal. I, on the other hand will vote Yes when the time comes only to try and keep the Isles where they belong. I hope other Isles' fans do the same!
No offense, but I'm also a HS teacher and I ABSOLUTELY blame anyone who votes that way "because their kids aren't in the schools anymore". That is a terrible attitude to have...spend the community's money when its my kids but screw the community's kids when it isn't mine? No offense meant to your mom personally, but I taught in a community like that back in the 90's near Syracuse. What a shock that their young people leave now they have Oneida Nation Turning Stone casino (which they all damn to hell but then go and play there) buying up all their land and taking it off the tax roles. I hope those who vote no would stay home. Now that I live in a state which does nothing but try to keep taxes low, I wish some of NYS residents would come down to hellholes like VA to live and see how you get NOTHING in services for the little taxes paid. No streets plowed for snowstorms, no street signs or hwy signs that make sense, nothing. NY residents feel like they are taxed too high. I get it. I was a resident for my first 33 years. But go to these states that pride themselves on "no taxes" or low taxes and see how little you get...especially educationally. Its like everything else...you get what you pay for.
I4C.....when a 90 year old couple goes homeless because they can't afford their $12,000/yr tax bill, lemme know if administration is getting enough salary. Lemme know if the cops are making enough to conduct DWI sweeps. We spend a lot. The argument is can we see politicians cut the crap vs. politicians sucking the glass **** we call the homeowner? How about we vote a few budgets down.
But now you are making a different point than was made earlier.
If you want to vote down a budget because you think there is waste involved, that's fine. You might be right or wrong about it, but at least thought was put into it.
I know too many people who want to vote budgets down simply because they don't have kids in school anymore so it won't benefit their family anymore. No real thought involved. They couldn't tell you were the "waste" was in the budget. They just don't want to pay taxes. And in those examples, what they were voting down was actually a $70 a year tax increase on a 100,000 home (and a home of that value in cny was a rarity in the 1990's).
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Jun 19 2011, 07:55 AM
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For .71 cents per game you can have your NY Islanders stay on Long Island. Or, out of spite and hatred for its owner you can vote down the proposal and risk losing the team forever.
You are forgetting that probably 90% of Nassau residents could give a rats ass about the Islanders and NHL Hockey. I doubt most of them care about going to the circus or Ice Capades either. They can always make the 45 minute drive or train ride to MSG to catch the Harlem Globetrotters.
I'm not forgetting about them. I'm stating that point to Isles fans on here that would vote the bill down. To some, it sounds like the lesser of two evils is the only choice. I totally get it, too. I'm a HS teacher on LI and vote to approve the budget every year, but I cant blame my mother who votes No every year because her kids are out of the district and out of school. But my mother isn't going out on a hot August day to vote down this proposal. I, on the other hand will vote Yes when the time comes only to try and keep the Isles where they belong. I hope other Isles' fans do the same!
No offense, but I'm also a HS teacher and I ABSOLUTELY blame anyone who votes that way "because their kids aren't in the schools anymore". That is a terrible attitude to have...spend the community's money when its my kids but screw the community's kids when it isn't mine? No offense meant to your mom personally, but I taught in a community like that back in the 90's near Syracuse. What a shock that their young people leave now they have Oneida Nation Turning Stone casino (which they all damn to hell but then go and play there) buying up all their land and taking it off the tax roles. I hope those who vote no would stay home. Now that I live in a state which does nothing but try to keep taxes low, I wish some of NYS residents would come down to hellholes like VA to live and see how you get NOTHING in services for the little taxes paid. No streets plowed for snowstorms, no street signs or hwy signs that make sense, nothing. NY residents feel like they are taxed too high. I get it. I was a resident for my first 33 years. But go to these states that pride themselves on "no taxes" or low taxes and see how little you get...especially educationally. Its like everything else...you get what you pay for.
Not everyone can afford to pay the budget increases year after year when they are on a fixed budget, especially after losing over 40% of her fixed income portfolio from the last 2 recessions. My parents always voted for the budget, even when they send all three of their children to Catholic school and could have rationalized voting down the budget was in their best interest. Unfortunately, there are too many people on LI that are victims of these harsh economic times and do what they can to survive. So I cant blame my mother one iota for doing what she can to stay in her house she has owned for 45+ years. Her vote is not a political stand or an indictment on the public education system, but rather a measure of self preservation. I would applaud anyone that would vote for the budget on principle, when it could mean that they would then have to eventually move due to the rate increases over time. So I think a little perspective is always helpful before you take a stand one way or another.
Yet, these in many cases are the same people who don't push for the wall street leaders to be prosecuted for what happened 3 years ago that wiped out many of the pension funds which were based on the stock market.
Everyone wants their cake and eat it too, to varying degrees. We've been at war for now 10 years but no one has been asked to make sacrifices on the home front...only soldiers and their families. How is that American?
Wall Street ran wild and collapsed the economy, we bailed them out, punished no one, reformed nothing to prevent it from happening again but now blame the middle class for what happened. Unions in Wis and other states are being blamed for budgets, but no one is blaming Wall Street for collapsing the pension funds that state and local budgets must now fund. Why is that?
I don't mean to get political and off the original point of the mother and her home but I am getting a bit off that topic, but this is nuts. When did responsibility leave us?
Not to get on a soapbox, but NY teachers are amongst the best educated and trained in the nation. Every teacher must have a masters degree within their first 5 years of teaching. Few states have that requirement and in most cases teachers have to pay for it themselves. Some districts will as a benefit to attract teachers, but that is rare. You have the best standarized test system in the Regents. If you don't believe me, come to other states like Va, where I teach. VA is ranked in the top 5 nationally based on test scores, but what they don't tell you is VA's tests are a joke. In VA to pass their state test called the SOL (yes...insert joke here) all you have to do is get 30 of 60 m/c questions correct. 50% That's it. There are no essays or short answers. In NY, on the 2 History regents you have to take 45-50 m/c questions, which are much higher order thinking questions than VA uses AND write 3 essays including a DBQ like on the AP exam. And guess who creates those questions-- in VA it is created by a company from Texas (lol- nothing good in ed. comes from Texas) that creates terrible questions but in NY it is the teachers who generate the questions and test them prior to being used on the regents. Yet, when states get ranked, they simply look passing rates. Well, which test sounds like a joke and which sounds like a better measure of student learning? It is the equivalent of comparing the winner of the 100 m dash and the NYC marathon and deciding the sprinter is a better runner because he finished first.
I'm not saying there can't be reform or even cuts in areas of school budgets. Someone mentioned administration earlier...that is a great place to start. Our school just hired the ad exec who did Wendy's "Where's the Beef" ad as a PR person for our school....at $175K per...WTF? But, having lived significant time on LI, cny and now out of state, I don't think people in NY understand how much more service you get for your taxes. Is there waste...I have no doubt and I'm all for cutting it. But come down to DC and have your wife get stuck on the highway in 10" of snow for 10 hours simply because the county didn't want to run the snowplows yet. This is typical of the services we get in northern va despite the fact my property taxes went up 25% each year from 2005-2009.
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Wall Street ran wild and collapsed the economy, we bailed them out, punished no one, reformed nothing to prevent it from happening again but now blame the middle class for what happened. Unions in Wis and other states are being blamed for budgets, but no one is blaming Wall Street for collapsing the pension funds that state and local budgets must now fund. Why is that?
no one in NYC wants to send their children to a New York City public school. yea blame the bankers that's what they do in communists and fascist countries bankers aka as .....
but then again wasn't it the federal government who threaten ligation on major banks who would not make mortgages to certain peoples? so what are the banks supposed to do? don't make a loan-get sued,make a loan and lose money? great choice huh? -so they took the garbage and sold it as cdo's cmo's and shorted the paper!
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so Scott Walker in WI says hey wait a minute we can't afford this and ran got elected to put the brakes on public sector unions. i applaud Scott Walker but he should have kept on going and fired all the teachers who did a sick out which is a strike.
the best gig in the world is to be a teacher full time pay/benefits for a part time job, summer off every holiday off, hey Jonny can't read? no my problem he needs a special teacher to teach him because Jonny is too stupid )YEY add another body to the union head count now they're 1 extra strong.
people do not have an unlimited amount of money and just because you throw money at the school systems does not mean it's a good school systems.
______________________________________________________________________ once again Newsday leftwing bias hurts Nassau residence-back in 2000/1999 they wrote countless articles that county's property tax system was flawed and the county should reassess property taxes-the opposition claimed that reassessing property taxes would only cause property taxes to increase even in a declining real estate market here we are today who was right?
ignore Newsday they will lead the charge for a NO vote-
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no one in NYC wants to send their children to a New York City public school. yea blame the bankers that's what they do in communists and fascist countries bankers aka as .....
Perhaps if you actually knew what the "bankers" were doing, you'd understand why SOME should go to jail. It is called fraud when you tell your investors to invest in certain items but then have internal memos showing the company is actually betting on those items to fail.
BTW- in communist countries they don't have bankers. They have people who work for banks, but the banks are owned by the govt, not investors or even the execs.
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the best gig in the world is to be a teacher full time pay/benefits for a part time job, summer off every holiday off,
If it is such a good gig, why didn't you become a teacher?
I guess ignorance is bliss.
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Wall Street ran wild and collapsed the economy, we bailed them out, punished no one, reformed nothing to prevent it from happening again but now blame the middle class for what happened. Unions in Wis and other states are being blamed for budgets, but no one is blaming Wall Street for collapsing the pension funds that state and local budgets must now fund. Why is that?
no one in NYC wants to send their children to a New York City public school. yea blame the bankers that's what they do in communists and fascist countries bankers aka as ..... but then again wasn't it the federal government who threaten ligation on major banks who would not make mortgages to certain peoples? so what are the banks supposed to do? don't make a loan-get sued,make a loan and lose money? great choice huh? -so they took the garbage and sold it as cdo's cmo's and shorted the paper! but anyway so Scott Walker in WI says hey wait a minute we can't afford this and ran got elected to put the brakes on public sector unions. i applaud Scott Walker but he should have kept on going and fired all the teachers who did a sick out which is a strike. the best gig in the world is to be a teacher full time pay/benefits for a part time job, summer off every holiday off, hey Jonny can't read? no my problem he needs a special teacher to teach him because Jonny is too stupid )YEY add another body to the union head count now they're 1 extra strong. people do not have an unlimited amount of money and just because you throw money at the school systems does not mean it's a good school systems. ______________________________________________________________________ once again Newsday leftwing bias hurts Nassau residence-back in 2000/1999 they wrote countless articles that county's property tax system was flawed and the county should reassess property taxes-the opposition claimed that reassessing property taxes would only cause property taxes to increase even in a declining real estate market here we are today who was right? ignore Newsday they will lead the charge for a NO vote-
You have no idea what it takes to be an effective teacher. Unless you've done it you can only speculate what the job is. I've been through these "discussions" so often its not worth the time or effort to state my case.
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So anyone who isn't a teacher cannot have an opinion?
Everyone have a great happy Father's Day, enjoy the weather and your families.
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So anyone who isn't a teacher cannot have an opinion? Everyone have a great happy Father's Day, enjoy the weather and your families.
True enough. People are entitled to their misguided opinions.
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It's a gig or a calling with teachers. You guys sound like it's your calling. The issue I think many have is, as I4C agreed, the BUSINESS of teaching.
In Cali, land of the bankrupt idiocy, kids get brand new textbookS (two, one for school, one for home) each year. Waste. All over, we have unions and tenure.....which leads to waste. Some great young minds cannot enter the field thanks to tenure, and the best teachers don't get the job, therefore.
Administrators on LI probably earn a combined few dozen million dollars. Why? School lunches, books, pensions, unions, waste in administration and government oversight.....it's a pitfall. ANYTHING the government touches is overpriced and underwhelming save for one entity that works with precision and efficacy better than the private sector:
The IRS.
So one can say they want cuts and taxes lowered and do so without being against the schools and teachers. I'd love to be able to say teachers should get some of the money those administrators are getting, but it won't happen. The administration is where the politics is embraced.
That said, cut one high ranking bureaucrat in each school district and it'll pay for the arena hikes. And the education which is already there waiting to be provided by the teachers will still be there.
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the best gig in the world is to be a teacher full time pay/benefits for a part time job, summer off every holiday off,
If it is such a good gig, why didn't you become a teacher? I guess ignorance is bliss.
why would i want to be a teacher?? BORING
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So anyone who isn't a teacher cannot have an opinion? Everyone have a great happy Father's Day, enjoy the weather and your families.
People can have opinions, but having facts to support them would be nice too.
I find it funny that is socially and politically acceptable to complain and clobber teachers but somehow it is blasphemy to criticize corporate leaders and the like. I've never been a doctor or worked in a dr. office but I've gone to Dr's all my life. Does that mean I should tell them how to perform the surgery?
Just because people went to school, doesn't mean they know how to teach or run a school. But that doesn't stop many, espeically politicans from spewing nonsense about the profession or just bashing the profession because it is popular. I'll give you an example of what I mean...
Tons of people complain about "tenure" and what tenure means in the teaching profession. How many people can actually state what tenure is or what it does in the ny state teaching profession? If you can, I'll listen to your thoughts on tenure. If not, like Jack, why bother.
I taught in NY for 10 years and loved it. I taught on LI for one and up near Syracuse for 9 in 3 diff school districts. I saw great schools and weak schools. I saw great teachers in poor schools and bad teachers who needed to go in great ones. And I always hope bad teachers are removed. However, you know what I never seem to hear from the public... what to do about bad parents and bad kids. Remember, we aren't Singapore who our idiot president constantly compares us to. We teach everyone unlike Singapore. We don't get to beat students unlike Singapore (not that I want that power). Bad parents & lazy students don't carry the social stigma here that they do in Asian cultures. This is an example I meant earlier of idiot pols spewing nonsense.
so if someone actually knows what they are talking about, like the issue of tenure, I'll have the discussion. Otherwise, what is the point.
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It's a gig or a calling with teachers. You guys sound like it's your calling. The issue I think many have is, as I4C agreed, the BUSINESS of teaching.
In Cali, land of the bankrupt idiocy, kids get brand new textbookS (two, one for school, one for home) each year. Waste. All over, we have unions and tenure.....which leads to waste. Some great young minds cannot enter the field thanks to tenure, and the best teachers don't get the job, therefore.
Administrators on LI probably earn a combined few dozen million dollars. Why? School lunches, books, pensions, unions, waste in administration and government oversight.....it's a pitfall. ANYTHING the government touches is overpriced and underwhelming save for one entity that works with precision and efficacy better than the private sector:
The IRS.
So one can say they want cuts and taxes lowered and do so without being against the schools and teachers. I'd love to be able to say teachers should get some of the money those administrators are getting, but it won't happen. The administration is where the politics is embraced.
That said, cut one high ranking bureaucrat in each school district and it'll pay for the arena hikes. And the education which is already there waiting to be provided by the teachers will still be there.
OTH... I can't speak to how how the tenure rules are written in Calif, but I doubt it is keeping talented teachers out of the profession. There are always going to be openings somewhere for talented teachers.
If your argument is that tenure protects bad teachers, thus keeping jobs from talented ones, I'd understand that point, but actually it isn't tenure that does that. I'd be happy to explain that, but first I want to see if anyone can actually tell me what tenure is in nys.
I do agree with your point about administration but I think that is true of both the corporate and public sector. How often do we hear people working in either sector complain about how "the bosses" make decisions to justifiy their jobs, but aren't really necessary. I see it all the time in my job and I have plenty of friends who work in corp world in the military hardward development field that say the same thing.
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