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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 29 2012, 09:35 AM (1,906 Views) | |
| palmercur | Aug 29 2012, 09:35 AM Post #1 |
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WAS WONDERING ABOUT CROSSING A KEMMER CUR AND A ORIGINAL MOUNTAIN CUR? I HAVE A ORIGINAML MOUNTAIN CUR AND YOU GO BACK THREE GENERATIONS IT HAS SEVERAL KEMMER/ OMC CROSSED AND IT IS REGISTERED AS ORIGINAL MOUNTAIN CUR AT THE PRESENT DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY IDEA ABOUT HAVING THAT DOG REGESTERED AS KEMMER STOCK? |
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| LittleMtnKemmers | Aug 29 2012, 09:55 AM Post #2 |
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Kemmer Crazy
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It can not be registered as Kemmer Stock. The registry is closed to non KSBA registered dogs. |
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Thomas Cheney MakingAqua@aol.com Robert Kemmer Strain Mtn Curs | |
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| Alan Anderson | Aug 29 2012, 05:33 PM Post #3 |
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Can you OMCBA register a dog with KSBA papers? |
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| cubahatchie curs | Aug 29 2012, 05:54 PM Post #4 |
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No. They will not except just KSBA papers.
Edited by cubahatchie curs, Aug 29 2012, 05:56 PM.
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| Morgan Wright | Aug 29 2012, 08:42 PM Post #5 |
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Weren't all Kemmer foundation stock omcba? If so, it don't make a lick of sense that you can't register kemmers through the omcba. If Palmercur made the omcba dog / Kemmer dog cross, would the puppies be register-able in the ksba? He said 3 generations removes were Kemmer dogs, crossed on a 100% Kemmer it ought to be high enough percentage... Or do both top and bottom have to be ksba? Just wondering. |
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| magoose | Aug 30 2012, 06:09 AM Post #6 |
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Actually neither organization would register the pups. The parents both have to be either omcba or ksba registered to register the pups. Single registration for the KSBA was closed quite a few years ago. Carla |
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Carla Johnson 1006 Co Rt 48 Richland, NY 13144 | |
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| twin bridge kennels | Sep 10 2012, 11:38 PM Post #7 |
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You can register them UMCA or NKC. I don't make a lick of sence but that is the way it is and I guess we have to live with it. |
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Twin Bridge Kennels 124 Twin Bridge Rd. Deer Lodge, TN 37726 (423) 539-2208 | |
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| tenn | Sep 13 2012, 08:09 PM Post #8 |
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We just want to keep them pure 100% If you need a pure Kemmer dog male or female I will be glad to help you any way I can Its not a bad thing or anything against anyone we just want to keep them 100% |
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| Alan Anderson | Jul 3 2013, 04:22 AM Post #9 |
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Answer this. My "Bear" male is KSBA & OMCBA reg.My Sissy female is OMCBA reg.only.I bred them and got 7 pups.My Lily female is KSBA reg.only.I bred her to Bear also,got 6 pups.Could you breed a male off Sissy to a Lily female,take a female from that cross breed it back to Bear and get KSBA & OMCBA papers? Could it be done and how? |
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| hill84 | Jul 3 2013, 03:52 PM Post #10 |
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Alan the pups off Sissy will be OMCBA and the Pups off Lily will be KSBA. if you breed a male off Sissy to a female off Lilly you could register them with the UMCA or NKC; the pups from that cross could not be reg with the KSBA or the OMCBA. so then you would have to reg Bear with the UMCA or the NKC to get papers when crossing bear back over them. hope this helps
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| Big Ronnie | Jul 3 2013, 08:26 PM Post #11 |
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Alan, Natian is telling you the way it would be. He is right about it.Your Bear dog is dual registered ksba and omcba registered and Bear crossed to a female that is not ksba registered will produce pups that can not be ksba registered. so these 7 pups can not be ksba registered.The 6 pups from Bear (ksba registered) X Lilly (ksba registered) can be ksba registered. A female from this litter that is ksba registered bred to a male from the litter that is not ksba registered produces pups that still can not be registered with ksba. Both parents have to be ksba registered to register the pups with ksba. |
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100% Kemmer Stock Mtn. Curs Home of Ronnie's Ole Trouble-Yellow Jack- 7/8 Gold Nugget Blackjack and BJ Buck stock" ![]() ![]() Ronnie Taylor p.o. box 413 Mangham,La 71259 (318)-614-8649 Laree's cell phone 318-680-1128 | |
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| Alan Anderson | Jul 5 2013, 09:58 PM Post #12 |
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I was thinking about the statement Mr.Wright made about 3 generations removed.I was thinking if it can be proved 3 generations,if could be possible.Breeding 1 to the other puts Bears as grandsire top and bottom,then a female offspring bred back to Bear makes them 3/4 Bear.Or something like that.You could end up with pups carrying more Kemmer blood than OMC and still not be KSBA reg.A 3/4 Bear bred pup registered OMC would be 3/4 Kemmer.See where I'm coming from? |
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| NortexCurs | Jul 5 2013, 10:26 PM Post #13 |
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Good luck with that. If you wanted KSBA registered pups, maybe you should of started with 2 parents registered with KSBA. Apples are not oranges after 3 generations, they are a hybrid fruit.
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Pups caint inherit training !!!! Corey Melson Collinsville, Tx. | |
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| Alan Anderson | Jul 6 2013, 04:25 AM Post #14 |
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Mr.Melson,I already have KSBA registered pups.I also have OMCBA registered pups.Both litters off the same male dog.I can also raise KSBA & OMCBA pups carrying both sets of papers.If it's on my yard and has hair on it I have papers for it.Minus my hogs,who needs a registered porkchop anyway? |
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| cubahatchie curs | Jul 6 2013, 07:13 PM Post #15 |
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Alan: Mr. Kemmer took OMC dogs and linebred his dogs to produce the Kemmer Stock. So using that train of thought. All Kemmers should be OMC reg. But the books are closed on both assoc. The UMCBA is the only way to go with your pups from the KSBA & OMC. If you out cross just one time can you ever get back to a pure 100% Kemmer? |
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