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Do children need to be 'protected' from drag queens?
Topic Started: Apr 8 2018, 06:17 PM (3,177 Views)
ft12
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Im house sitting right now and one of the other girl who lives here saw me watching rupauls drag race. The owner wants an 'adult' there while she is gone. Her roommates are all uni-students so by having me here there won't be any crazy parties.

Now this girl is someone I know of, we have hung out before a couple of times with mutual friend but I don't really know her that well.

She is uber christian and mentioned that she could never watch that at her parents house because their are children present who might see it.

I kept it light but asked her to elaborate and she went on to say she doesn't believe in homosexuality ^o) and wouldn't want children exposed to things that "might confuse them" that it was our job to protect children from "things like that." Granted she was curious that I called them her and asked me to explain how to address them so she didn't call the the wrong name and seemed shocked that they lip-synced. I asked her what she thought drag queens did and she said "I don't actually know"

She was leaving for church and seems pleasant enough about it but I was a little gobsmacked that someone would think children need to be protected from drag queens.

But then again, I don't have kids so maybe that's a thing?

Is that a thing?
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miss jojo
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Homophobes think that way.
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Koalabella
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Children need to be sheltered from drag queens if they have guns. Otherwise, I can’t imagine the issue, unless you have a deep-seated terror of personal expression.

The last person who told me they didn’t believe in gay people was met with a, “Are you seeing a professional about that?”
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rmehoney

Also not all drag queens are homosexuals.
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NoVA
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I went on a school trip in early high school, around 1999, that included a dinner show with quite a few drag queens. I didn't think anything of it at the time, and neither did my parents. In fact, now that I think back, I didn't hear a single rumble of complaint from anyone, and I would have heard about it since my mom worked in the school's main office.

So I'm definitely going with no, kids don't need to be protected from drag queens. I and 50 of my classmates most definitely were not traumatized or confused or whatever she thinks happens by meeting a half-dozen in person, so I'm positive that RuPaul can't do anything of the sort through a television screen....
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Lady Wolf
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Not in my world but some bigoted people do think that way. My MIL and FIL would probably be one of them. I love Rupaul


My MIL had a meltdown when I mentioned picking up my birth control to DS16 when he was about 6 or 7. I looked at her like she had two heads. She was shocked that when I told her he already knew what it was and we already had the talk long ago. She was also shocked to find out all us support equal marriage rights and stuff. She would die if she knew I let him watch stuff like this.
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notstillme
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No. What is there to worry about? Older children might know more, but like a little kid, all you say is that they are men who dress up and lip sync and dance, and put on a fun show.

I mean, maybe the language, but even that depends. There's the 18+ shows and the more family friendly ones.
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Kanye West
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People who believe in traditional rigid gender roles think that. They are nuts, so...
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Sassy Sybil
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^o) Drag Queen tendencies are about as contagious as 'the gay'.

This is something that has never occured to me as something to protect my daughter from but then again I am not an idiot either...
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rmehoney
Apr 8 2018, 07:14 PM
Also not all drag queens are homosexuals.
I have had three straight dudes who like dressing in drag express interest in me in the past 2 months. So, word.
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LapisLazuli
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No, no protection needed. In fact, TV was always useful for bringing up subjects that otherwise might have been discussed in more embarrassing circumstances.

"Mummy, why is that man wearing a dress?" is easier to answer fulsomely (by bringing in historical context and other societies' cross-dressing customs) when not actually asked in front of the person.
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Strawberry Blondie
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When my little brother was 7 we lost him in Provincetown, MA when we were on vacation. We found him with the drag queen that was handing out free condoms on the corner. He has suffered no ill effects.
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iluvsuomi1989
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Children needs protection from homophobes.
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Koalabella
Apr 8 2018, 06:36 PM
Children need to be sheltered from drag queens if they have guns. Otherwise, I can’t imagine the issue, unless you have a deep-seated terror of personal expression.

The last person who told me they didn’t believe in gay people was met with a, “Are you seeing a professional about that?”
I can understand 'I don't approve of that' although it is silly and stupid BUT. 'I don't 'believe' in that.' Well that is just impossible.
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You mean protect them from eccentric makeup and the ability to blend a wig?
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marinesgirl

Considering I watched the movie Birdcage with my mother when I was maybe 8? So I don't think she felt the need to protect me from drag queens.
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Apr 8 2018, 08:56 PM
You mean protect them from eccentric makeup and the ability to blend a wig?
i admit i get slightly annoyed when a drag queen looks way better than i do when i have actually tried to look nice.
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adrienne
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I'm not sure I understand the question. Why would children be needed to be protected from drag queens?
There're pretty, fun and flamboyantly stylish (usually). Now dragons, well they can be dangerous and grouchy, but how often does one encounter a real live dragon? Besides me, every morning. The "SO".
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greenbean
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Nope.
I'd rather protect my kids from narrow minded bigots than people who are just living their lives and minding their own business.
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Charybdis
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I watched To Wong Foo Thanks For Everything Julie Newmar with my 4 yo a couple weeks ago. He asked exactly one question during the movie, during the opening scene. He asked if Patrick Swayze was a man "because I thought he was a lady". Otherwise, he was mostly bored and didn't watch much of the movie.
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adrienne
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I love that movie. Patrick, Wesley and John were sublime and kicked ass.
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Designing Craft Maven
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Are they armed and trying to get into the school? If not, then no, I don't think they need protecting from drag queens.
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Allday
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Nah, drag queens are harmless. Glamorous, but harmless.

I do remember I wasn't allowed to watch the birdcage growing up. Now I don't think it would even phase my parents. Attitudes have changed a lot.
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ft12
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Yeeeesh
Im glad to see the responses, I work in theatre so sometimes I forget how old fashioned and conservative some people are.



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Sincey
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Depends on the drag queen. Some of them are probably total pervs, who should not be near children.

Also, men dressing in women's clothing does not automatically mean they are gay.

There may also be adult humor involved in that show (I've never had the opportunity to see it) so supervision might be in order if youngsters are watching.

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Kanye West
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Drag queens are not any more likely to be perverts than anyone else.

And if they are gay, so what? Gay people are not a danger to children.
Edited by Kanye West, Apr 9 2018, 12:13 AM.
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Terabethia
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I've never met a pervy drag queen. Maybe I am not looking hard enough...? :ermm:


I have met plenty of pervy strait men though. They are a pretty regular occurrence and you don't have to seek them out. They'll find you!
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GirlGreen
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Some libraries have drag queen story times where they read to the children.
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Figment
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No, they do not. Children catch on to much more than most people give them credit for.
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Parsnip
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Anybody could/can be a pervert.


We welcome all kinds at my house - young and old, in drag or not, whatever floats a boat.


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Puddles
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I... no. Just fucking no. A drag queen is no more likely to “probably be a total perv” than anyone else. That’s a ridiculously offensive thing to say and is akin to the stereotype that all homosexuals are child predators.
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Bets
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I think children need protectioin from ignorant thinking more than they need protecrion from drag queens.

If a person wants to disclude an entire genre of awesome people from their lives that is their choice, but they should do so based facts and not assumptions.
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Lab Mouse
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This just came up at my house last night. I've been recording/watching the new Drag Race season and I have an 11yo son. We talked about differences in people and how drag queens are entertainers like singers and actors. I also showed him before and after pictures of Rupaul so he would see the transformation. I'd like to think my kiddos world was a bit expanded.

But at the same time, we decided not to let my kid watch the show. Because the show is 95% puns and my son tries to make puns all day long. He is also rather naïve and would, more than likely, pick up something from the show and get in trouble for it at school. I didn't want to get called into the school because he called someone a bitch or a whore the way they do, not knowing that outside of that community, those words have a negative connotation.
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Apr 9 2018, 12:10 AM
Depends on the drag queen. Some of them are probably total pervs, who should not be near children.

Also, men dressing in women's clothing does not automatically mean they are gay.

There may also be adult humor involved in that show (I've never had the opportunity to see it) so supervision might be in order if youngsters are watching.

Anyone might be a "total perv", regardless of dress. Not sure what gay has to do with it, unless you're pointing out that most pedophiles are heterosexual which is true.

Regardless, I don't think a so called drag queen straight or gay is more likely to be a pedophile than the average person in the streets.
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2anjuliboys

I believe I have read that the majority of pedophiles present as relatively conservative straight men.

Also, how does one not "believe" in homosexuality? Like, do they think people are lying about it?
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Edna
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I’d rather hang out with drag queens than ignorant people, some of whom might also be “total pervs.”
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Pecault Fan
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Nope. Although I confess, I have watched GoT when ds8 was in the house.
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Apr 9 2018, 07:33 AM
This just came up at my house last night. I've been recording/watching the new Drag Race season and I have an 11yo son. We talked about differences in people and how drag queens are entertainers like singers and actors. I also showed him before and after pictures of Rupaul so he would see the transformation. I'd like to think my kiddos world was a bit expanded.

But at the same time, we decided not to let my kid watch the show. Because the show is 95% puns and my son tries to make puns all day long. He is also rather naïve and would, more than likely, pick up something from the show and get in trouble for it at school. I didn't want to get called into the school because he called someone a bitch or a whore the way they do, not knowing that outside of that community, those words have a negative connotation.
Yeah that's kinda what I was thinking re: language. But that goes for any form of entertainment, of course.

And I totally understand what you mean about the puns. The way DH is, well good help me when kiddo learns to speak. 😛
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getrealgirl

I just love it when people say they "don't believe" in something that actually, physically exists. So they are admitting they are out of touch with reality.

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Terabethia
Apr 9 2018, 12:41 AM
I've never met a pervy drag queen. Maybe I am not looking hard enough...? :ermm:


I have met plenty of pervy strait men though. They are a pretty regular occurrence and you don't have to seek them out. They'll find you!
SIL went laser tagging with BIL and a few friends Friday night and she was cornered by a creep. He was following her for an entire game and she said she felt it but thought she was overreacting until he cornered her. She kicked him, ditched all her equipment and hauled ass out of there to the emergency exit and told management who did ....fuckall.
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Apr 9 2018, 08:33 AM
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Apr 9 2018, 07:33 AM
This just came up at my house last night. I've been recording/watching the new Drag Race season and I have an 11yo son. We talked about differences in people and how drag queens are entertainers like singers and actors. I also showed him before and after pictures of Rupaul so he would see the transformation. I'd like to think my kiddos world was a bit expanded.

But at the same time, we decided not to let my kid watch the show. Because the show is 95% puns and my son tries to make puns all day long. He is also rather naïve and would, more than likely, pick up something from the show and get in trouble for it at school. I didn't want to get called into the school because he called someone a bitch or a whore the way they do, not knowing that outside of that community, those words have a negative connotation.
Yeah that's kinda what I was thinking re: language. But that goes for any form of entertainment, of course.

And I totally understand what you mean about the puns. The way DH is, well good help me when kiddo learns to speak. 😛
My son will totally be the Dad joke king when he grows up and has a family. He even does the dramatic, slow pause before he says his "punch line". Which is usually not funny, or a pun at all. Maybe I should get the kid some joke books so he can brush up on his game.
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I would agree with you but then we'd both be wrong.
Do people really believe kids need to be protected from people wearing dresses and wigs? What do they think is going to happen to their kids if they see a drag queen??

I am neither debauched nor overcome by a need to wear sequined dresses and elaborate eye makeup whenever I see a drag queen. If Robert can wear 6" heels and a miniskirt, more power to him!
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That's a great way to breed the next generation of Bible-thumping hatemongers.

I've been talking to my daughter about LGBTQ issues (age appropriately) since she was old enough to talk, including the fact that she can marry anyone she wants. Her response when she saw a drag queen and I told her he was a man dressed as a lady was "he's pretty."

"Protecting" kids from normal realities often results in closed-minded adults.

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I can't imagine what it must be like for these "protected" kids when they are finally out in the world and meet people who are different from what they've been raised to think all people are like. I'd much rather my children know about the world being made up of a beautiful variety of people who have much to offer than think everyone is the same. It's really setting your kids up to be isolated and terrified adults if you keep them from knowing about the world.
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Apr 9 2018, 10:47 AM
notstillme
Apr 9 2018, 08:33 AM
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Apr 9 2018, 07:33 AM
This just came up at my house last night. I've been recording/watching the new Drag Race season and I have an 11yo son. We talked about differences in people and how drag queens are entertainers like singers and actors. I also showed him before and after pictures of Rupaul so he would see the transformation. I'd like to think my kiddos world was a bit expanded.

But at the same time, we decided not to let my kid watch the show. Because the show is 95% puns and my son tries to make puns all day long. He is also rather naïve and would, more than likely, pick up something from the show and get in trouble for it at school. I didn't want to get called into the school because he called someone a bitch or a whore the way they do, not knowing that outside of that community, those words have a negative connotation.
Yeah that's kinda what I was thinking re: language. But that goes for any form of entertainment, of course.

And I totally understand what you mean about the puns. The way DH is, well good help me when kiddo learns to speak. 😛
My son will totally be the Dad joke king when he grows up and has a family. He even does the dramatic, slow pause before he says his "punch line". Which is usually not funny, or a pun at all. Maybe I should get the kid some joke books so he can brush up on his game.
The other day:
Me to The Bear "Do you want a smoothie, Babe?"
The Bear "We have a smoothie babe? Where is she?"
Yep, she lifted that joke straight from her dad, and they both think it's the funniest joke ever :-/
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Dear Ms. FT12,

"I kept it light but asked her to elaborate and she went on to say she doesn't believe in homosexuality and wouldn't want children exposed to things that "might confuse them" that it was our job to protect children from "things like that."

As adults, it is indeed our job to protect children. We need to protect them from mass shooters, pedophile priests, global warming, racism, misogynists, runaway deficits, predatory lenders, the water in Flint, MI, and other "things like that".

And, out of curiosity, how does one "not believe in homosexuality"? Just because one does not approve, it does not cease to exist.

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Koalabella
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Wait, even if the individual was a total perv (which isn’t impossible, but I’d give it lower odds than, say, a Republican congressman) how are children going to be exposed to that watching a tv show?
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Apr 9 2018, 12:10 AM
Depends on the drag queen. Some of them are probably total pervs, who should not be near children.

Also, men dressing in women's clothing does not automatically mean they are gay.

There may also be adult humor involved in that show (I've never had the opportunity to see it) so supervision might be in order if youngsters are watching.

That's a really bigoted thing to say.
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Yup.
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ponyprincess

To be fair, I think kids need to be protected from pretty much everything on television.

The drag queens on that show aren't really men dressed as women, the kind of women children see every day, so much as they are men dressed as crazy caricatures of already exaggerated runway models and rock stars. I can see how they would be confusing and scary to young children in the same way clowns, sports mascots or people in cartoon character suits, firemen in full turnout gear, etc., can be scary to some young children who are still sorting out reality and fantasy.

When my brother was little, he used to have nightmares about a cold medicine commercial that aired during daytime television. It depicted a cartoon person whose head floated off of his body like a helium balloon. My brother was very young and did not have the life experience or language skills to understand the context of this image, so it was very powerful and disturbing to him.

Turn off the television until the kids are older and you can turn off at least some nightmares.
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