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Do children need to be 'protected' from drag queens?
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That’s absurd.

Admittedly, I do “protect” a few of my kids from big personalities, and I suppose some drag queens can fit that description.

But no, I don’t think drag queens hit my radar as people that I need to shield my kids from.
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Apr 9 2018, 12:55 PM
To be fair, I think kids need to be protected from pretty much everything on television.

The drag queens on that show aren't really men dressed as women, the kind of women children see every day, so much as they are men dressed as crazy caricatures of already exaggerated runway models and rock stars. I can see how they would be confusing and scary to young children in the same way clowns, sports mascots or people in cartoon character suits, firemen in full turnout gear, etc., can be scary to some young children who are still sorting out reality and fantasy.

When my brother was little, he used to have nightmares about a cold medicine commercial that aired during daytime television. It depicted a cartoon person whose head floated off of his body like a helium balloon. My brother was very young and did not have the life experience or language skills to understand the context of this image, so it was very powerful and disturbing to him.

Turn off the television until the kids are older and you can turn off at least some nightmares.
Drag queens ARE characters. Men dressed as women or vice versa would be cross dressers.
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Yes, all of those scary drag queens hiding under beds and in closets waiting to pounce on poor innocent children in the night.

/eyeroll
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I wonder what the odds are of getting a Drag Queen Storytime at my local library. I'm going to ask.
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Apr 9 2018, 12:10 AM
Depends on the drag queen. Some of them are probably total pervs, who should not be near children.

Also, men dressing in women's clothing does not automatically mean they are gay.

There may also be adult humor involved in that show (I've never had the opportunity to see it) so supervision might be in order if youngsters are watching.

Why are dresses considered to be "women's clothing"? If a man owns the clothing, it's no longer "women's clothing".

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Apr 9 2018, 01:33 PM
I wonder what the odds are of getting a Drag Queen Storytime at my local library. I'm going to ask.
https://www.dragqueenstoryhour.org/ apparently has some info/resources.
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Apr 9 2018, 11:13 AM
I can't imagine what it must be like for these "protected" kids when they are finally out in the world and meet people who are different from what they've been raised to think all people are like. I'd much rather my children know about the world being made up of a beautiful variety of people who have much to offer than think everyone is the same. It's really setting your kids up to be isolated and terrified adults if you keep them from knowing about the world.
My BIL was downright terrified walking down Bourbon St. In New Orleans. When he came across a lady (drag queen or cross dresser or someone else I'm not sure by looks alone) "directing" traffic, BIL turned beat red and ran back down the street. I think he was worried he would "Catch the gay." He also got completely rattled by a homeless man insulting him for not giving him money. My children may be raised in the same isolated small minded town my in-laws were, but I'll be damned that's all they know. Between education and travel, I hope to instill in them that people are more than just what they see in this little town.
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Maybe they should be protected until they're old enough to learn that much eye makeup is not a "day look".

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Maybe they should be protected until they're old enough to learn that much eye makeup is not a "day look".

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I'm not sure I get your statement?
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Apr 8 2018, 09:49 PM
Nope.
I'd rather protect my kids from narrow minded bigots than people who are just living their lives and minding their own business.
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Apr 9 2018, 02:46 PM
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Maybe they should be protected until they're old enough to learn that much eye makeup is not a "day look".

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I'm not sure I get your statement?
I think she was just making a joke.
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Apr 9 2018, 01:39 PM
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Apr 9 2018, 01:33 PM
I wonder what the odds are of getting a Drag Queen Storytime at my local library. I'm going to ask.
https://www.dragqueenstoryhour.org/ apparently has some info/resources.
Thank you!!
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Apr 9 2018, 02:04 PM
Maybe they should be protected until they're old enough to learn that much eye makeup is not a "day look".

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LOL!
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Ise thsat eithe way as the parent's call.Nothsaving kids, it is as faras the earthis from rtthe sun my decison what I would /wopudlnot do. a slong as thatis all aparent doies My kid wilbe protected by ME, not by the society writ large whocares?
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Apr 9 2018, 03:34 PM
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Apr 9 2018, 02:46 PM
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Maybe they should be protected until they're old enough to learn that much eye makeup is not a "day look".

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I'm not sure I get your statement?
I think she was just making a joke.
Okay, thanks!
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Apr 9 2018, 01:50 PM
DarlingDewey
Apr 9 2018, 11:13 AM
I can't imagine what it must be like for these "protected" kids when they are finally out in the world and meet people who are different from what they've been raised to think all people are like. I'd much rather my children know about the world being made up of a beautiful variety of people who have much to offer than think everyone is the same. It's really setting your kids up to be isolated and terrified adults if you keep them from knowing about the world.
My BIL was downright terrified walking down Bourbon St. In New Orleans. When he came across a lady (drag queen or cross dresser or someone else I'm not sure by looks alone) "directing" traffic, BIL turned beat red and ran back down the street. I think he was worried he would "Catch the gay." He also got completely rattled by a homeless man insulting him for not giving him money. My children may be raised in the same isolated small minded town my in-laws were, but I'll be damned that's all they know. Between education and travel, I hope to instill in them that people are more than just what they see in this little town.
DS19 was laughing as he told me about his encounter with a homeless guy on his college bus last night. He goes to a big state school so homeless people (and anyone else) often hop on the buses to get around town.

The bus driver told an AA homeless guy that he'd have to get off at this stop because his run was ending for the day after his next stop at DS's campus. The guy looked at DS and said, "I'm going wherever this hot white guy is going!" DS laughed and said :Believe me dude, you don't want to go where I'm going." (Home to study). The driver told him to get off again, so the guy said "Man, I can't get respect. Who can tell me who invented peanut butter?" DS shouts "George Washington Carver!" "Yes! Tell me (pointing at the driver) What did the Spanish do for this country?" DS, "Well they made some pretty sweet ships." HGuy, "True" as he gets off. The driver said to him, "Now you have a good day". "I did now."

It just made me laugh and kind of proud that DS knows how to treat people. He said the whole thing was very lighthearted and banterish. He said after the guy got off he turned to another passenger and said, "Hey, at least he said I was hot."
Edited by greenbean, Apr 9 2018, 05:07 PM.
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As to "Some of them might be perverts," some of a lot of people might be perverts. I handle that by teaching my kids to trust their guts, not to assume that the way a person is dressed means they are a pervert. I have never seen any study that showed people in drag are more likely to be perverts, that does seem to be a misconception due to pop culture movies showing men wearing women's panties as perverts, but movies are not actual data. So, we go through life thinking most people aren't perverts, no matter what they wear and then, if we feel like someone I giving us a perverted vibe we react to that, if we can.
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DarlingDewey
Apr 9 2018, 05:17 PM
As to "Some of them might be perverts," some of a lot of people might be perverts. I handle that by teaching my kids to trust their guts, not to assume that the way a person is dressed means they are a pervert. I have never seen any study that showed people in drag are more likely to be perverts, that does seem to be a misconception due to pop culture movies showing men wearing women's panties as perverts, but movies are not actual data. So, we go through life thinking most people aren't perverts, no matter what they wear and then, if we feel like someone I giving us a perverted vibe we react to that, if we can.
Often it's the people who seek to blend in and stay under the radar who turn out to be the abusers (re total pervs). That's not a coincidence. They don't want to stand out, unless it's as "fine upstanding citizens".
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DarlingDewey
Apr 9 2018, 05:17 PM
As to "Some of them might be perverts," some of a lot of people might be perverts. I handle that by teaching my kids to trust their guts, not to assume that the way a person is dressed means they are a pervert. I have never seen any study that showed people in drag are more likely to be perverts, that does seem to be a misconception due to pop culture movies showing men wearing women's panties as perverts, but movies are not actual data. So, we go through life thinking most people aren't perverts, no matter what they wear and then, if we feel like someone I giving us a perverted vibe we react to that, if we can.
Also, some people have unusual sexual proclivities but aren't pedophiles and are not the least bit dangerous to children.
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Apr 9 2018, 05:39 PM
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Apr 9 2018, 05:17 PM
As to "Some of them might be perverts," some of a lot of people might be perverts. I handle that by teaching my kids to trust their guts, not to assume that the way a person is dressed means they are a pervert. I have never seen any study that showed people in drag are more likely to be perverts, that does seem to be a misconception due to pop culture movies showing men wearing women's panties as perverts, but movies are not actual data. So, we go through life thinking most people aren't perverts, no matter what they wear and then, if we feel like someone I giving us a perverted vibe we react to that, if we can.
Also, some people have unusual sexual proclivities but aren't pedophiles and are not the least bit dangerous to children.
Good point!
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Maybe they should be protected until they're old enough to learn that much eye makeup is not a "day look".

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Hahahaha. :P
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Maybe they should be protected until they're old enough to learn that much eye makeup is not a "day look".

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Hahahaha. :P
If I could beat my face like this I would go out looking like this every single day.
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Apr 9 2018, 06:10 PM
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Maybe they should be protected until they're old enough to learn that much eye makeup is not a "day look".

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Hahahaha. :P
If I could beat my face like this I would go out looking like this every single day.
Right? I was thinking yeah it might not be office make-up, but damn that's skill!
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Drag Queen Bingo and some of what I have seen at Hamburger Mary's really isn't appropriate for children. Adult humor. So I would not take a child to that. Now one of the afternoon bingo games for families that Roxy is usually hosting (although she has had surgery and is transitioning so I don't know if she is a drag queen any more) is fine because she is doing her family friendly humor.
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Maybe they should be protected until they're old enough to learn that much eye makeup is not a "day look".

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Hahahaha. :P
If I could beat my face like this I would go out looking like this every single day.
Right? I was thinking yeah it might not be office make-up, but damn that's skill!
We should totally have a thread where we try to do this to ourselves and then post the terrible failures.
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Maybe they should be protected until they're old enough to learn that much eye makeup is not a "day look".

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Hahahaha. :P
If I could beat my face like this I would go out looking like this every single day.
Right? I was thinking yeah it might not be office make-up, but damn that's skill!
We should totally have a thread where we try to do this to ourselves and then post the terrible failures.
I still can’t do winged eyeliner...no way I could pull this off.

I’d be on PinterestFails.
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I can’t even do regular eyeliner. It looks like it was done by a 3 year old on meth.
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Maybe they should be protected until they're old enough to learn that much eye makeup is not a "day look".

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Hahahaha. :P
If I could beat my face like this I would go out looking like this every single day.
Right? I was thinking yeah it might not be office make-up, but damn that's skill!
The guy that did my wedding makeup worked in makeup for Rupaul's drag race. (He is a professional studio makeup artist who picks up weddings on the weekend occasionally for extra cash.) My Grandmother was worried that this is what my make up would look like.

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cayke that is exactly right, you wouldnot take your ( realor hypothical) children to that show that is your right. what is nto your ( anyone)'s right is to demand the thing not exist How do Iexpalin X to my kids is for you (s) to figure oout and the rest ot world toanswer how do the heck do we know and why theheck should we care/
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Apr 9 2018, 12:00 PM
Wait, even if the individual was a total perv (which isn’t impossible, but I’d give it lower odds than, say, a Republican congressman ) how are children going to be exposed to that watching a tv show?
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Apr 9 2018, 12:10 AM
Depends on the drag queen. Some of them are probably total pervs, who should not be near children.

Also, men dressing in women's clothing does not automatically mean they are gay.

There may also be adult humor involved in that show (I've never had the opportunity to see it) so supervision might be in order if youngsters are watching.

Why are dresses considered to be "women's clothing"? If a man owns the clothing, it's no longer "women's clothing".



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I didn't mean that all drag queens are gay, just that the same people who are homophobic would believe that kids might "catch the gay" by watching drag queens. I have to admit, I've never known any straight drag queens. The one drag queen that was my friend (he passed away about 10 years ago), was one of the sweetest men I ever knew.

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I think everyone should be kept away from "closed minded people"...
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Apr 9 2018, 07:33 AM
This just came up at my house last night. I've been recording/watching the new Drag Race season and I have an 11yo son. We talked about differences in people and how drag queens are entertainers like singers and actors. I also showed him before and after pictures of Rupaul so he would see the transformation. I'd like to think my kiddos world was a bit expanded.

But at the same time, we decided not to let my kid watch the show. Because the show is 95% puns and my son tries to make puns all day long. He is also rather naïve and would, more than likely, pick up something from the show and get in trouble for it at school. I didn't want to get called into the school because he called someone a bitch or a whore the way they do, not knowing that outside of that community, those words have a negative connotation.
BIIIIG RuPaul and Drag Race fan here. The show is very racy with LOTS of double-entendres, so I can see your point here.

As an aside, I am so ashamed to admit that it took me 9 seasons to get the joke behind "your charisma, uniqueness, nerve, and talent." So ashamed. Tim just shakes his head and laughs at me.

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If anything, children should be exposed to more drag queens. Be who you are and have fun doing it!
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Apr 9 2018, 12:55 PM
To be fair, I think kids need to be protected from pretty much everything on television.

The drag queens on that show aren't really men dressed as women, the kind of women children see every day, so much as they are men dressed as crazy caricatures of already exaggerated runway models and rock stars. I can see how they would be confusing and scary to young children in the same way clowns, sports mascots or people in cartoon character suits, firemen in full turnout gear, etc., can be scary to some young children who are still sorting out reality and fantasy.

When my brother was little, he used to have nightmares about a cold medicine commercial that aired during daytime television. It depicted a cartoon person whose head floated off of his body like a helium balloon. My brother was very young and did not have the life experience or language skills to understand the context of this image, so it was very powerful and disturbing to him.

Turn off the television until the kids are older and you can turn off at least some nightmares.
I remember reading about a mom who took her son (who was about 5 years old I think) to the doctor as he refused to use a toilet. Turns out he had seen a commercial about a toilet-bowl cleaner where the toilet grew great big teeth and attacked the mom until she 'tamed' it with the cleaner.

The kid was terrified that the toilet was going to eat him.
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I should also say that I'm glad the show came up and created this discussion in my family. We talked about how people can have all sorts of differences. How some people feel they should be the other gender and that there are ways to transition and change your body to fit what you should be. This got my son to open up about how he feels different because he has the highest scream in gym class and he doesn't really like sports and it makes him feel odd.
So we went on a Google search to show how some people have softer voices and others have much deeper voices, but that's just they way their body is. And everyone has their own interests because everyone is an individual, so it's perfectly fine if he doesn't like to play sports.

Overall I think he just left that conversation feeling better about himself. I also hope that it will keep him open when/if he meets someone who is different than what he is used to.
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I alsloodisagree with Aardi be who0 youare and have fund oingit is NOT a vasluew iwould impart tomy hypoothicalk kids. It w3opuldbe ameh if they saw the show byaccident flip or at same else house, wouldnot care also wouldnot expose them onpurpose if gay is who theyare, of course that's fine its the have fun doing it part, be youare,oif oit hapens tobe fun great ifnot also okayt.
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SFM doesn't want kids to have fun. *my shocked face*
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I don't think she'd know fun if it punched her in the face.
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Apr 10 2018, 03:54 PM
I don't think she'd know fun if it punched her in the face.
Perhaps fun punching her in the face is the reason she is so perpetually cheerful and positive.
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Apr 10 2018, 03:45 PM
SFM doesn't want kids to have fun. *my shocked face*
I can already hear the argument between sfm and the teacher about the weekly spelling words being misspelled.
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I'm rather happy to be disagreed with in this case.
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Apr 8 2018, 06:36 PM
Children need to be sheltered from drag queens if they have guns. Otherwise, I can’t imagine the issue, unless you have a deep-seated terror of personal expression.

The last person who told me they didn’t believe in gay people was met with a, “Are you seeing a professional about that?”
You crack me up! :D
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Coming from a land where men regularly dress up as women (pantomime, stag nights, any excuse...) and a land where a kilt is most definitely not considered a skirt, I can only laugh at the preposterousness of such a suggestion.
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Our parents grew up watching Milton Berle, mine had Flip Wilson, and I don't thing it made any of us drag queens.
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