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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 26 2014, 08:51 PM (306 Views) | |
| Urran | Sep 26 2014, 08:51 PM Post #1 |
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This is a topic to debate and decide on the uniform designators and colors for MSU Peace Keeping forces. All species need to be aware that certain colors may not be visible to certain species and some may be almost completely color blind. We need to decide on whether or not the nation can keep their camo and have a few MSU identification marks (ex. beret, arm band, ect.) or if we will develop a new uniform entirely. Should vehicles be the typical UN solid white with MSU on the sides, or should we go for something more off the wall? (I like sky blue or black personally.) The floor is open to suggestions, (constructive) criticisms, ect. Of course, this will have to be RP'd out eventually. Cer: edited topic to state OOC. 'Tis cool. Continue with discussion, please. |
| UTA | Sep 27 2014, 12:40 AM Post #2 |
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I would suggest, allowing every power to use their own uniforms/ PA.. But assign a mission /organization patch/ colors to signify their organization. I think it'd be the simplest way to go about this ? Considering we're not a super state... Edited by UTA, Sep 27 2014, 12:41 AM.
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| Urran | Sep 27 2014, 12:55 AM Post #3 |
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The problem with that is, everyone's colors would be all over the place. As Cer said, there needs to be a standard |
| Swith | Sep 27 2014, 01:01 AM Post #4 |
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Give me a bit to weigh in on it. I'm not feeling too well tonight. Initial thoughts... Multitask forces keep their same uniforms. It gets too costly to the nation (or the organization) otherwise. The only thing needed is a way to designate that a unit is part of a peacekeeping force. The UN uses the blue berets. We do could something similar, with head gear a specific color. Headgear is best because it stands out. Vehicles will mostly be APCs or light craft/vans/trucks/whatevers. I suggest a light blue or white. We won't have tanks or battleships or any of that shit. We're peacekeepers, not military. For those looking for links. |
| Swith | Sep 27 2014, 01:07 AM Post #5 |
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Urran, the standard is the emblem or seal or headwear. It should all be the same color, etc. We can't have the Anthros in pink and the Ponies in Yellow. As for uniforms... anything goes provided it's what the nation currently uses. We can't strip away their national identity. . People in the military get very good at recognizing patches, rank and other insignia from other countries. You usually see military uniform cohesion, also. An entire brigade from XYZ Nation might be tasked with keeping a supply line open. No other nations will be operating in that area. If there are, the entire combined forces are commanded by the highest ranking commander... it doesn't matter what nation he's from. The uniforms might not match but the blue beret conveys that they're the same force. |
| Swith | Sep 27 2014, 01:46 AM Post #6 |
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By the way... I like Pimp's idea: http://th05.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2013/187/7/3/wwiii_troopers__un__by_milosandric-d6bkhu5.png One arm carries the nation's flag and the other the solid blue/white and letters. The helmet carries the same blue/white. We just need to find colors everyone can see, but part of this is handled by symbols. |
| Pimps Inc | Sep 27 2014, 01:56 AM Post #7 |
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yay |
| Urran | Sep 27 2014, 08:04 PM Post #8 |
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Indeed, there needs to be standard colors. Personally, I think that we should get vehicles knocked out if the way first. UN berets and caps are usually blue and vehicles white. But can all species see white? We need to get more people over here to discuss it. |
| Planeia | Sep 27 2014, 08:35 PM Post #9 |
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Since one color may not be the same color to someone else, who's eyesight should we value the most? Why not just forget about colors altogether and simply rely on symbols and insignia? It'll save a lot in spray paint and dye. Frankly, military doesn't have much use for decorations besides identification. |
| Mincaldenteans | Sep 28 2014, 07:38 AM Post #10 |
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I'd have to agree on this. Color means nothing if you can't identify an ally in any given field. Given that and the size of our alliance, symbols/insignia/emblems and what have you would be a better outstanding trait than any color. Though I understand the need for uniformity. Given our alliance, our nations act strictly on a voluntary basis: since that's the case, whatever uniform/outfit they require of their personnel, as members of the MSU, a badge/patch/emblem, etc etc would be required upon their body to identify them as part of us. Of course, given the tactical risk (such as an impersonator posing as an MSU), each badge/patch/emblem would need the necessary security precautions. Its not perfect, but it goes a long away to avoid the color differentials of our respective species as pointed out by Planeia. |
| Cer | Sep 29 2014, 09:43 PM Post #11 |
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My species has piss-poor eyesight. They can't see you if you stop moving directly in front of them in daylight or a normally lit room. They can hear your heart beating and they can smell/taste you to determine your exact location. They have small heat-sensing pits along their faces that pick up warmth. They can also "ping" (echolocation) in order to gauge your exact position. But turn off the lights and they'll see you just fine by your body heat. My point is that you can slap as many colors and symbols on a friendly unit and we'll be unable to tell you apart from foes. The answer? Technology. My species' units have small devices that transmit a sound only detectable by friendlies. This not only identifies the troop/vehicle but also what it's assigned to and where it's from. This can easily be adapted to fit into earpieces or HUD. Our units also have fabric woven with a material that gives trace signatures. It makes a pattern without any color. These bands are worn on the upper arm and opposite thigh. They can't be seen at night and thus don't give away a troop's position to other species, but someone with the ability to see that spectrum (or the equipment able to detect it and render it into something visible to humans etc) can identify things. This would help with self-identification. External identification can be made by using the most common colors known to be visible. If we need to further identify (say we're operating on a planet where the species can't see colors), then we analyze the needs and one of the nations designs, manufactures and delivers the necessary adaptations to whatever it is we've set up as "MSU identifier". A yellow armband now carries a "pinging device" or a white helmet now has a heat-generating element that forms a recognizable symbol on the front and back of the helmet. Armbands and torso/back marking are easy to identify. Head wear is used because that's the first thing a person will see as the troop sticks his head up from behind cover to look at the situation in front of him. Killing a "blue helmet" is bad; it might bring that troop's nation down upon you. |
| Urran | Sep 30 2014, 10:09 PM Post #12 |
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Based on that, who wants to start submitting color ideas? |
| Cer | Oct 1 2014, 06:16 PM Post #13 |
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What about purple? This shade would work. It would fade out more slowly (think of diving; colors fade the deeper you go. Blue is the last to fade away. Purple would stand a good chance of lasting.) |
| Urran | Oct 2 2014, 05:04 PM Post #14 |
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I'm not sure that I can say this objectively, because that is my favorite color and one of my favorite shades, but I think it's a brilliant idea. But I still think it best to wait for some more submissions before voting on it. |
| Storm | Oct 5 2014, 09:02 AM Post #15 |
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Alliance Founder
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Yes, Pimp's idea is good. We can apply what Cer suggested to those and use it for our uniforms. |
| Swith | Oct 5 2014, 11:05 PM Post #16 |
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I think it works well. |
| Anhur | Oct 18 2014, 02:59 AM Post #17 |
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I have to agree with Cer's earlier post. You can rant about colour as much as you want but colour is worthless when you throw in multiple species. For instance my species the Anhurians have good eye sight but they have a different visual spectrum from Humans. You try and explain red to an Anhurian and they will give you a blank stare becuase dark red is indistinguishable from black and the same for lighter reds and orange. And what looks purple and dark blue to an Anhurian is in the unseeable ultraviolet spectrum for most species. |
| Urran | Oct 19 2014, 07:52 PM Post #18 |
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Well, since no one else seems to be chiming in, I vote we combine Cer and Pimp's suggestions and take it to a vote. |
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