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What Is Metallica’s Next Step?; The Mosh Pit 02.01.08:
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February 3, 2008, 11:43 pm
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Source: http://www.411mania.com/music/columns/68209
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Tonight's Show: The Key To Metallica's Success
The Past…
Soon, well hopefully this year, Metallica will finally release their follow up to St. Anger. If it gets the newly scheduled fall release, it will have been five years since that album. Speculation abounds as to what these metal icons will deliver, and with very good reason, Metallica has in many ways "jumped the shark" in the minds of not only your core metalhead, but even many casual rock fans. The story of Metallica is one of rise, fall, and rebirth into an enigma; but that is really beyond the scope of this column. Suffice to say and keeping it short, Metallica is the story of a band who became the innovative center of the metal movement in the 80's, the face of the hardcore metal scene, hit it big, was accused of selling out, went rock band with all the U2 trimmings, sued their fans, split and OD'd to rehab, then purged the violent Anger.
There is a lot of history in Metallica, and a lot of bridges they burned along the way. First, they pissed off their core fans when they released their self titled LP, the Black Album. Sure, they sold a lot of discs on that one, and replaced the hardcore fans ten fold all the way to the bank. And yes, many fans stayed along for the ride, thinking this was Metallica, and like every band that puts out a mainstream album they'll at least keep the course. But the hardcore fans, the base, cried "sell out" and stood back.
Next came Load and Reload, and this saw the band abandon metal all together for a hard rock and blues sound. Sure, it rocked loud at times, but it wasn't metal. The band cut its hair, got their ears pierced, and even interviewed in a fur coat. Not that these things are necessarily bad into themselves, but this was coming from Metallica. METALLICA. This was the band that took metal to the next level a decade earlier. This was a band that was more than a great metal group, they were also fans just like you and me; music by fans for fans. But this new group was… Hollywood? What the hell? It wouldn't have been a problem if Metallica showed up in the 90's, their would have been no history. Hell, if the band would have just come out and said "this is where we are going", it would have been a tough pill but at least it would have sold and been honest. Many bands play the "we have matured" card and life moves on. But these guys just showed up and acted condescending about the whole thing. When asked if they had sold out, they quipped "Sure we sold out, we sell out every stadium we play in". Talk about shitting on your fans. What they said in that famous quote was "Fuck you, we're successful."
Sorry folks, but its true.
Metal fans can be a pretty open lot about some things, and very close minded about others. You can experiment and get away with it. You can screw up and get away with it. But don't tell the them, the people that supported you for over ten years, "tough shit". That's were they blew it. Metal heads can deal with a lot, but not a true sellout. I'm sure it's in some metal bible some place. Probably a commandment of some kind: "Thou Shall Not Sellout".
Another commandment would be: Thou Shall Not Shit On Thy Fans". If current history didn't get their base angry, then what happened next reached beyond to the casual fans – Napster. Now, one can certainly understand the band trying to protect their music. You can also understand the band wanting to protect their music from getting released before it was even finished, let alone scheduled for release. But to basically go on TV and make your fans out to be criminals, and sue them, is not a good way to go about doing that. Remember, you're suppose to be a metal band, the music that is anti-establishment; not part of the establishment. And that is how the band looked, like some rock stars that were just another part of the establishment, suing the very people that made them stars in the first place.
Well, hi-jinks, alcohol, losing a band member, and rehab later Metallica comes back after six years with a new album. The music populace thought for sure that the time, trouble, and a promised return to form would deliver onto the masses a great Metallica album. What we got was St. Anger
I'm not going to go into the ins and outs, pros and cons over that album. Either you like it or hate it. In fact, Dan Marsicano just did an excellent column on it, and you can check it out here. But what is relevant for this discussion in the impact of the album, the perception. What the band basically did was run into the middle of the music scene and set off a suicide bomb. The casual fans didn't get it, there was nothing hooky or accessible about it. The metal fans hated it, their was nothing resembling metal about it. Everyone just stood there scratching their heads going "What the fuck?" Anger had gone from curiosity to head scratching. Metallica, the band that once innovated the metal scene and became the face of heavy, was unilaterally panned as a joke. People didn't talk about Master of Puppets, they talked about garbage can drums and the dude with the sweater. The band was officially a parody.
The Present…
So what does the band do from here?
First, they tour their ass off and keep the support of their base. No matter what the band has done, everyone still wants to see the classics live. Just like the old days, the band needs to continue to work (and to their credit are doing this) hard to keep the faithful and build believers out of people, new and old. Even myself, who probably wouldn't have walked across the street five years ago to see them would likely see the thrashers go at it now. The band has to much good history to match the bad, and they need to work off of it. Big Dave in Megadeth has found a new lease on life exactly by doing this – He's returned to his roots, and he touring his ass off and playing the classics. If you pick up a metal magazine now days, you would get the impression that Mustaine has finally surpassed his former band mates, and there is a reason for that: He's come home. Us fans really are a forgiving lot in the end.
So Metallica needs to keep the course and do this. Further, they need to go as far as to hit smaller venues and shows, just to get back in touch with their fans at eye level. A cross country tour spread out at big venues is one thing, but pounding the pavement nightly to reach out and touch the faithful will pay dividends in the end. Never forget it's us hardcore fans they pay the bills through thick or thin.
Next, and this is the biggie, they need to really get back to their roots. Yes, they could improve a lot if they actually produce this album, tuned the drum kit, sing about something besides Hetfields personal problems, let the bass guitarist play the bass (and not the fricken producer – no wonder the production is so rough), and finally and for the love of God – Give Hammett something to do. You know… Riffs, leads, riffs, solos, basically play something, anything besides some slapped power cords that a beginner punk band could do.
OK... I've composed myself. The band could do that, but that is not getting back to their roots. But something I do fear is that the band will go back to their earlier albums and replicate them. That is not their roots! Yes, it's what they use to do, and returning to introduce that into their sound would be great, but that is not what made Metallica the band that turned a generation of kids into metalheads. If they just punch out a Black Album part 2, or as hinted in interviews a combination of that album and Master of Puppets they are returning to their old sound, but that is not their true roots – It's only pillaging their past.
No, Metallica needs to embrace the thing that is their real legacy. The thing that made them stars and the face of heavy metal. The one thing they haven't done since 1988…
They need to be innovators again.
Metallica built an empire and launched a music scene not because Ride The Lightning was awesome; it was, but it was so much more than an awesome album because they released the next step in metal evolution. They were innovators. They hit the scene like a shrapnel grenade and changed everything. And they kept on doing it. Anyone who looks at the major evolutionary steps of metal will come around to the key talking points: First was Sabbath, then Judas Priest, Metallica, Pantera, etc… These are the steps of the hallowed bands that took metal to the next level, and took the fans from the previous one with them. They innovated, they created, and they became a force that is essentially metal 101 because they changed metal in their wake.
When you do that, you set the bar pretty high for yourself in the fans eyes. Sabbath struggled with it by the end of the 80's and 90's. Priest struggled with it. And now Metallica needs to make that gut check. They have fallen because they set the bar so damn high they can never seem to reach it. Truth be told, they will have trouble reaching it this time as well, if for no other reason than human nature: Us fans will likely cry if they do nothing less than reinvent the wheel and walk on water. We just don't know how to phrase it. They need to look in the mirror and ask themselves, do they want to be the metal monster from the 80's, or… Do the want to be the metal monsters NOW. Yes, they have a great catalog to look for inspiration, but they get to play it live. Further, they have many years of newer sounds, some they inspired, to look upon for their own inspiration. But at the end of the day, they need to embrace all of that and do only what a few of the great bands can do – Take it to the next level. Musical evolution is what I'm talking about. That is the secret, the way to Shangri La as they say. They need to step to the plate, reach down and find a pair, and blow the roof off of the music scene with something new.
First, they need to learn what it really means to be Metallica, and then they need to be Metallica.
Encore…
Old fans and new, everyone is waiting to see what this institution does next. Some of us are excited, most are cautiously optimistic or at least hopeful (fingers crossed), and some are even apathetic; the ball is in their court now. All I can say is that I once popped in a tape called Ride The Lightning and was blown away. It changed me, the way I look at music, and the music I listen to. 24 years later I still listen to the same genre above all others, and have even turned that passion into writing about it. They can take the easy route and make money and ride into retirement. I almost could not blame them if they did do that. But I don't want "Enter Sandman II". I don't need Mater's Pt 2. And God forbid I go and see them playing at Caesars in 10 years. What do I want? I want my jaw to hit the floor. I would love to see people stop and stare in admiration/horror. I need for my brains to be blasted against the back wall.
I want Metallica back. Lock – Stock – And Barrel.
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February 3, 2008, 11:44 pm
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Ok, i'm going to quote and reply to my own post, so that people know my stance on this article, and just because I really can't stand the guy who wrote this ;)
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Metallica has in many ways "jumped the shark" in the minds of not only your core metalhead, but even many casual rock fans. The story of Metallica is one of rise, fall, and rebirth into an enigma; but that is really beyond the scope of this column. Suffice to say and keeping it short, Metallica is the story of a band who became the innovative center of the metal movement in the 80's, the face of the hardcore metal scene, hit it big, was accused of selling out, went rock band with all the U2 trimmings, sued their fans, split and OD'd to rehab, then purged the violent Anger.
Oh really? So all of a sudden this guy knows what is outside of the mindsof most metal-heads and casual rock fans? My favorite genre of music is thrash metal and i can tell you that i loved load and re-load. I'm not even going to go into the "selling out" aspect, as that is so ludicrous to constantly acuse metallica of that.
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There is a lot of history in Metallica, and a lot of bridges they burned along the way. First, they pissed off their core fans when they released their self titled LP, the Black Album. Sure, they sold a lot of discs on that one, and replaced the hardcore fans ten fold all the way to the bank. And yes, many fans stayed along for the ride, thinking this was Metallica, and like every band that puts out a mainstream album they'll at least keep the course. But the hardcore fans, the base, cried "sell out" and stood back.
Metallica didn't burn any bridges. I can guarantee you that. How did they piss people off with the black album? I still don't understand how people can think that Metallica "TRIED" to make a "mainstream" album... how the hell do you purposely try to "make" a mainstream album... and if i recall James hates "Escape" because of that very reason... that the label made him make a "mainstream" song, in which he has shown his love for that song how??... oh yea, by never playing it live... ever. Does anyone listen to the great riffs and solos on the black album? Or do they just say "oh it sold alot, so it must've been a mainstream album because lots of people were able to like it"... thats pure b/s... As for the hardcore fans. I am one of those hardcore fans. Metallica has never turned their back on me, because they stay true to themselves (except for Lars not wanting solos on St. Anger)
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Next came Load and Reload, and this saw the band abandon metal all together for a hard rock and blues sound. Sure, it rocked loud at times, but it wasn't metal. The band cut its hair, got their ears pierced, and even interviewed in a fur coat. Not that these things are necessarily bad into themselves, but this was coming from Metallica. METALLICA. This was the band that took metal to the next level a decade earlier. This was a band that was more than a great metal group, they were also fans just like you and me; music by fans for fans. But this new group was… Hollywood? What the hell? It wouldn't have been a problem if Metallica showed up in the 90's, their would have been no history. Hell, if the band would have just come out and said "this is where we are going", it would have been a tough pill but at least it would have sold and been honest. Many bands play the "we have matured" card and life moves on. But these guys just showed up and acted condescending about the whole thing. When asked if they had sold out, they quipped "Sure we sold out, we sell out every stadium we play in". Talk about shitting on your fans. What they said in that famous quote was "Fuck you, we're successful."
Sorry folks, but its true.
Metallica didn't abandon anything. They stayed true to what they wanted to do. Load and Re-Load were soo experimental and ground-breaking in many ways on certain songs... thats why i love them... and not to mention that GOOD music, is simply that.. GOOD music... of course if you are expecting or wanting a metal album and don't get it then anything that you get is going to be "shit" to you because you are a whiny baby who didn't get your way. Metallica... condescending? ha, thats funny. James and Metallica are the farthest things from a sellout possible. They love their fans, have meet & greets, PERFORM IN SMALL VENUES, as well as allow for their fans to bootleg their shows and share em. If anyone recalls, in the "Some Kind Of Monster" DVD, James was pissed off because he wanted to play the small gig before the Raiders playoff game and the guy on the phone was just saying how "he didn't think it could help their career"... thats because James wasn't doing it to further his career. He loves the raiders and loves his fans and wanted to play. end of story. It's a simple fact that if you can sellout big stadiums, why wouldn't you? Just because you don't play small venues doesn't mean you've soldout. People who think that are just pissed off because their shitty bands didn't make it past their hometown.
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Metal fans can be a pretty open lot about some things, and very close minded about others. You can experiment and get away with it. You can screw up and get away with it. But don't tell the them, the people that supported you for over ten years, "tough shit". That's were they blew it. Metal heads can deal with a lot, but not a true sellout. I'm sure it's in some metal bible some place. Probably a commandment of some kind: "Thou Shall Not Sellout".
Ok.. how ridiculous is this comment? first of all, Metallica has absolutely NO OBLIGATIONS to make any "certain" kind of music. None. They are adults, they are musicians. They play and write whatever the hell they want. If Metallica didn't say "tough shit" i would be pissed at them. Why? Because why in the hell would i want them pussying out and saying "sorry" for creating the music they wanted to?
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Another commandment would be: Thou Shall Not Shit On Thy Fans". If current history didn't get their base angry, then what happened next reached beyond to the casual fans – Napster. Now, one can certainly understand the band trying to protect their music. You can also understand the band wanting to protect their music from getting released before it was even finished, let alone scheduled for release. But to basically go on TV and make your fans out to be criminals, and sue them, is not a good way to go about doing that. Remember, you're suppose to be a metal band, the music that is anti-establishment; not part of the establishment. And that is how the band looked, like some rock stars that were just another part of the establishment, suing the very people that made them stars in the first place.
I fully supported Metallica on Napster. It's their music. They have a physical right to their property and master soundtracks. End of story. If they didn't want people stealing their music, who the hell am I to tell them different? If you're a true fan you buy their albums anyways, as I have legally bought and currently own every metallica CD/DVD and T-Shirt.
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Well, hi-jinks, alcohol, losing a band member, and rehab later Metallica comes back after six years with a new album. The music populace thought for sure that the time, trouble, and a promised return to form would deliver onto the masses a great Metallica album. What we got was St. Anger
I'm not going to go into the ins and outs, pros and cons over that album. Either you like it or hate it. In fact, Dan Marsicano just did an excellent column on it, and you can check it out here. But what is relevant for this discussion in the impact of the album, the perception. What the band basically did was run into the middle of the music scene and set off a suicide bomb. The casual fans didn't get it, there was nothing hooky or accessible about it. The metal fans hated it, their was nothing resembling metal about it. Everyone just stood there scratching their heads going "What the fuck?" Anger had gone from curiosity to head scratching. Metallica, the band that once innovated the metal scene and became the face of heavy, was unilaterally panned as a joke. People didn't talk about Master of Puppets, they talked about garbage can drums and the dude with the sweater. The band was officially a parody.
Oh no... not the St. Anger issue. I don't give a fuck what people can "get into"... are people nothing but whiny babies now? That if they don't hear what they were expecting that they're going to cry until something comes out to fix the situation? St. Anger, in my opinion, was their worst album, but at the same time I truly like a good majority of the songs, not to mention there are some really heavy and good riffs... are people who are listening to the album not hearing them or what the hell is going on? As for the drum issue... geesh people, lay off of it. Obviously they knew what the drums were going to sound like. They didn't put the album together in 3 seconds. They wanted the drums like that, so be it. I kinda like the rawness of the drums for the most part, so come off it.
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The Present…
So what does the band do from here?
First, they tour their ass off and keep the support of their base. No matter what the band has done, everyone still wants to see the classics live. Just like the old days, the band needs to continue to work (and to their credit are doing this) hard to keep the faithful and build believers out of people, new and old. Even myself, who probably wouldn't have walked across the street five years ago to see them would likely see the thrashers go at it now. The band has to much good history to match the bad, and they need to work off of it. Big Dave in Megadeth has found a new lease on life exactly by doing this – He's returned to his roots, and he touring his ass off and playing the classics. If you pick up a metal magazine now days, you would get the impression that Mustaine has finally surpassed his former band mates, and there is a reason for that: He's come home. Us fans really are a forgiving lot in the end.
What the hell is this guy talking about? Dave Mustaine "came home"??? uhhh ok? I love megadeth but some of the newer material isn't very original. So is that what it takes to make gay ass fans happy? Writing something unoriginal that sounds familiar to memories of old? Music is not good if it isn't original. end of story. I love dave and megadeth, so how are them playing classics any different from metallica? Metallica plays 2-3 hour sets and always mixes up their setlists, including having done the entire MOP for the first times ever over a year ago.
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So Metallica needs to keep the course and do this. Further, they need to go as far as to hit smaller venues and shows, just to get back in touch with their fans at eye level. A cross country tour spread out at big venues is one thing, but pounding the pavement nightly to reach out and touch the faithful will pay dividends in the end. Never forget it's us hardcore fans they pay the bills through thick or thin.
Next, and this is the biggie, they need to really get back to their roots. Yes, they could improve a lot if they actually produce this album, tuned the drum kit, sing about something besides Hetfields personal problems, let the bass guitarist play the bass (and not the fricken producer – no wonder the production is so rough), and finally and for the love of God – Give Hammett something to do. You know… Riffs, leads, riffs, solos, basically play something, anything besides some slapped power cords that a beginner punk band could do.
Go back to their roots huh? You know what Metallica's roots are? Doing whatever the fuck Metallica wants to do. People assume that them no longer writing hardcore thrash metal is a sign that they have "lost their way" or that they have soldout... thats so stupid i can't even explain it. They CHOSE to write the music they felt into at the time.. but most importantly, the music was good. Just because you didnt want it doesn't mean that its not good. Remove your own bias and just listen to the damn music. and for the record, even advanced punk players can't play the chords kirk plays ;) 
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OK... I've composed myself. The band could do that, but that is not getting back to their roots. But something I do fear is that the band will go back to their earlier albums and replicate them. That is not their roots! Yes, it's what they use to do, and returning to introduce that into their sound would be great, but that is not what made Metallica the band that turned a generation of kids into metalheads. If they just punch out a Black Album part 2, or as hinted in interviews a combination of that album and Master of Puppets they are returning to their old sound, but that is not their true roots – It's only pillaging their past.
No, Metallica needs to embrace the thing that is their real legacy. The thing that made them stars and the face of heavy metal. The one thing they haven't done since 1988…
They need to be innovators again.
Is this guy retarded? Metalica has been innovators on every album they've done... how? how weren't they? The reason everyone moans and groans and gets pissy on the albums after "justice" is because it wasn't what they were expecting... because they were innovative... simple as that. Metallica stays loyal to Metallica. That's not being a sellout.
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Metallica built an empire and launched a music scene not because Ride The Lightning was awesome; it was, but it was so much more than an awesome album because they released the next step in metal evolution. They were innovators. They hit the scene like a shrapnel grenade and changed everything. And they kept on doing it. Anyone who looks at the major evolutionary steps of metal will come around to the key talking points: First was Sabbath, then Judas Priest, Metallica, Pantera, etc… These are the steps of the hallowed bands that took metal to the next level, and took the fans from the previous one with them. They innovated, they created, and they became a force that is essentially metal 101 because they changed metal in their wake.
Just because this guy doesn't see "load and re-load" as steps in an evolution of music means what... that they aren't? This guy is obviously extremely biased in the way that if something isn't metal, and isn't a "newer" metal, then Metallica has some way got off track.
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When you do that, you set the bar pretty high for yourself in the fans eyes. Sabbath struggled with it by the end of the 80's and 90's. Priest struggled with it. And now Metallica needs to make that gut check. They have fallen because they set the bar so damn high they can never seem to reach it. Truth be told, they will have trouble reaching it this time as well, if for no other reason than human nature: Us fans will likely cry if they do nothing less than reinvent the wheel and walk on water. We just don't know how to phrase it. They need to look in the mirror and ask themselves, do they want to be the metal monster from the 80's, or… Do the want to be the metal monsters NOW. Yes, they have a great catalog to look for inspiration, but they get to play it live. Further, they have many years of newer sounds, some they inspired, to look upon for their own inspiration. But at the end of the day, they need to embrace all of that and do only what a few of the great bands can do – Take it to the next level. Musical evolution is what I'm talking about. That is the secret, the way to Shangri La as they say. They need to step to the plate, reach down and find a pair, and blow the roof off of the music scene with something new.
Load and re-load were very new and very inventive and innovative. Yet this guy doesn't seem to understand that...?
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First, they need to learn what it really means to be Metallica, and then they need to be Metallica.
Metallica has always been Metallica. That's the very reason you are ripping on them moron... Metallica writes what they want and are INNOVATIVE in other genres besides metal... period. get over it.
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February 4, 2008, 12:10 am
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As much as many people want "the old Metallica" back, to make demands on Metallica as this article did is kind of rediculous. It's kind of like saying "I/we define the band" instead of letting the band define themselves. I need to read this article a little more thoroughly and then I will make more specific comments, but this is my general comment from skimming the article so far...
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February 4, 2008, 1:21 am
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Kudos. =] I completely agree with everything you're saying. Took the words right out of my mouth, I have to say.
However, I'm a bit uncomfortable with this: "If you're a true fan you buy their albums anyways, as I have legally bought and currently own every metallica CD/DVD and T-Shirt.
Would you elaborate on your stance on this? Cause I can't afford anything they've put out...hell, I can barely afford to take the train on the weekends.
This is not to start a debate on who's a true fan and who's not, but I just disagree with this statement, because I don't think that not being able to buy their albums makes me any lesser of a fan than anyone who can.
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February 4, 2008, 4:43 am
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Kudos. =] I completely agree with everything you're saying. Took the words right out of my mouth, I have to say.
However, I'm a bit uncomfortable with this: "If you're a true fan you buy their albums anyways, as I have legally bought and currently own every metallica CD/DVD and T-Shirt.
Would you elaborate on your stance on this? Cause I can't afford anything they've put out...hell, I can barely afford to take the train on the weekends.
This is not to start a debate on who's a true fan and who's not, but I just disagree with this statement, because I don't think that not being able to buy their albums makes me any lesser of a fan than anyone who can.
hey sure thing no problem 
I mean if you are able to afford their stuff and you really love metallica, then you will cough up the money to buy their stuff. but no worries, usually i don't have the money to buy stuff from other bands i love, so the lack of money doesn't determine whether or not you are a true fan :horns2
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February 4, 2008, 1:29 pm
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I'm trying my best to read this article with an open mind, but the kid who wrote it is really giving me a headache! Whta a fucking little know-it-all! I prefer to think of Metallica as a "great band" first and a "metal band" second. I like all kinds of music, not just metal, and thank goodness Metallica made somethink other than ...Justice becuase it was the "softer" stuff that hooked me in, and it made me open minded to a whole nother genere of music.
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February 4, 2008, 8:07 pm
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- Feb 3 2008, 09:21 PM
Kudos. =] I completely agree with everything you're saying. Took the words right out of my mouth, I have to say.
However, I'm a bit uncomfortable with this: "If you're a true fan you buy their albums anyways, as I have legally bought and currently own every metallica CD/DVD and T-Shirt.
Would you elaborate on your stance on this? Cause I can't afford anything they've put out...hell, I can barely afford to take the train on the weekends.
This is not to start a debate on who's a true fan and who's not, but I just disagree with this statement, because I don't think that not being able to buy their albums makes me any lesser of a fan than anyone who can.
hey sure thing no problem  I mean if you are able to afford their stuff and you really love metallica, then you will cough up the money to buy their stuff. but no worries, usually i don't have the money to buy stuff from other bands i love, so the lack of money doesn't determine whether or not you are a true fan :horns2
Thanks for clarifying that.
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