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| Tweet Topic Started: Thursday, 29. December 2005, 11:26 (1,804 Views) | |
| msequine | Thursday, 29. December 2005, 11:26 Post #1 |
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I'm merging all the NAIS-related threads together. Found this article in TX Newspaper. Sounds like NAIS. EDIT: This IS due to the NAIS and other states WILL be following. See the post below this one. (Subject line has been changed accordingly) ~R ----------------------- This new law is directly related to the USDA's National Animal Identification System (NAIS). More info on equine ID can be found on the American Horse Council website: http://www.horsecouncil.org/equineid.htm --------------------------- From the Gainesville TX Daily Register: Animal ID: Portent of the future By ANDY HOGUE, Agriculture Editor
On the Net: Additional NAIS information and links can be found on the TAHC Web site at http://www.tahc.state.tx.us/animal_id/index.shtml |
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| msequine | Friday, 30. December 2005, 12:02 Post #2 |
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Anyone seen the Jan 06 issue of Equus? JUST got it in today's mail. On page 66, right hand column, there is a blurb about the National ID Program. I’ll paste some of what it says below (emphasis added is mine):
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| msequine | Friday, 30. December 2005, 12:38 Post #3 |
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Here is a link to a powerpoint presentation from the American Horse Council regarding NAIS: http://usaip.info/USAIPEquineReport.ppt Anyone interested in viewing it will need a copy of Microsoft PowerPoint. If you don't have PowerPoint on your computer, Microsoft offers a FREE viewer you can download at: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx (NOTE: This is the viewer only...you cannot use this program for anything other than watching PowerPoint presentations) I'll paste some info from from the slide show: -----------------
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| msequine | Thursday, 19. January 2006, 18:56 Post #4 |
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Interesting article/viewpoint on the National Animal ID System. http://magic-city-news.com/article_5192.shtml |
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| Deleted User | Friday, 20. January 2006, 00:51 Post #5 |
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I thought it was already expensive to own horses. While i think it's probably a good idea, if for nothing else in case of theft or whatever, I don't see alot of folks being able to afford radio frequency ID devices, etc. etc. especially if they own alot of horses. Even the tattoo'ing would be expensive (nothing is cheap). |
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| msequine | Friday, 20. January 2006, 07:16 Post #6 |
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It's going to be a very expensive mess. Many states are urging people to register their premises now -- before they implement the fees. Some states are requiring anyone with over 2 or 3 acres of land to register whether they own livestock or not. Other states are requiring anyone with a small garden to register their premises... On a personal level, I don't like it, and I'm not sure how much good can come from it. They don't test that many cows for mad cow anyway. Only one out of a million...even McDonalds is complaining that they don't do enough testing. So how is registering these animals going to improve that? Not only that, but the larger breeding operations will only have to register their animals by lots. Only the small land or animal owner will have to register each animal individually. Guess who will shoulder the larger part of the costs of this program?? I also have my doubts about the security of our information since they're already looking at outsourcing the management of this program to private corporations, who as we know, seldom do background checks on their employees, and many times outsource the jobs overseas. OK, I better get off my :soap: |
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| Deleted User | Friday, 20. January 2006, 10:14 Post #7 |
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Privacy was something I didn't mention. One day, we'll have to register our dogs and cats. Etc. Until it works up to: Eventually, we'll have a chip imbedded in us, so wherever we go and whatever we do, the government will know. Paranoid sounding. But, very likely and possible. |
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| msequine | Friday, 20. January 2006, 11:14 Post #8 |
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Yup, it does sound paranoid. BUT, I tend to agree with you. With the ability to link all your records with one chip (medical, banking, criminal, etc.), it's coming. Check out this article where they're already tagging waitresses in Las Vegas: http://www.lvbusinesspress.com/articles/20...news/news01.txt And this article where a dance club in Spain is already implanting the devices in members hands and allowing them pay with a wave of the hand: http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38038 BTW the gov't and corporations have already made plans for tracking humans. Consider this remark by Delaware Senator Joseph Biden to Judge John Roberts at Supreme Court confirmation hearings, Sept. 12, 2005:
Do a search for Tommy Thompson (former U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services and four-term governor of Wisconsin) and VeriChip (owned by Applied Digital Solutions). Tommy Thompson has joined VeriChip. Here are a few links to get your started: http://www.madison.com/archives/read.php?r...23:483452:FRONT It's the very first article. http://www.spychips.com/press-releases/ver...no-implant.html http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/spy_chips.html VeriChip/Applied Digital Solutions is the company USDA is considering to handle the database info and registrations for the Nat'l Animal ID System. (see: http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37347) Bottom line...it sounds very scarey to me. I keep thinking they want us to be tagged with the same devices as our animals, and that sure gives a whole new meaning to "mark of the beast." Considering that current USDA plans state that those who have not registered their animals will not be allowed to buy/sell/breed (animals) and unregistered animals may also be subject to seizure, how far of a stretch is it to imagine that they would apply the same rules to those who refused to be chipped? Just food for thought. (Now who sounds paranoid?) |
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| Deleted User | Friday, 20. January 2006, 14:44 Post #9 |
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I figure if I live on a boat in the ocean, I won't have that problem. lol I just have to figure out how to load and keep the horses on it. |
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| msequine | Thursday, 16. March 2006, 07:37 Post #10 |
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Another article regarding NAIS, and some quotes from the article: http://www.magicvalley.com/articles/2006/0...cal_state.2.txt
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| msequine | Thursday, 16. March 2006, 07:44 Post #11 |
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Here's an article from a cattle producer in IL. Presents a more personal point of view: http://www.cattlerange.com/animal-id/freeman-r.html And some quotes:
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| msequine | Thursday, 16. March 2006, 07:50 Post #12 |
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Last one (for a while anyway): http://www.equineteleseminar.net/NAIS/signup.htm This is an Equine Teleseminar (FREE) regarding NAIS on 20 March (Monday night). Just click the link above to sign up.
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| jennwarr84 | Monday, 20. March 2006, 09:42 Post #13 |
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I think this is crazy. It's just a way to get more money from people. I have horses because I enjoy them, and now I am going to have to pay the government to enjoy them. I also heard that if you don't comply and they find out, they have the right to take the animal away or kill the animal without the owner even knowing. Don't know how true that is, but I did read it some where. I think it was an against slaughter forum or something. I guess I see the need in food animals, but my horses aren't food animals. Jenn |
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| msequine | Tuesday, 21. March 2006, 04:47 Post #14 |
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That's how I feel Jen. I think they're playing on people's fears trying to get folks onboard with this program. Maybe if they had chosen a chipping company that didn't have political ties to DC, I would feel more comfortable about it. I don't know. As it stands now, I'm suspicious. I don't mind a program for the food animals, but what exactly is wrong with the system we have now? I don't know if you remember (or heard) the joke a few years ago about the US being able to find a cow within 24 hrs and not immigrants, but as the joke went, if we issued each immigrant a cow as s/he entered the US, we would be able to find them at any given time. So, what has changed that we need a new system? I'm not in the industry, so I don't have any answers, and I haven't seen/read anything about what's wrong with the system we currently have in place. Also, as the plan stands now, larger agri-businesses (those with lobbying power) will be somewhat exempt from this rule. They will be allowed to identify their cattle by lots--not individually. The smaller farmers/producers/owners are the ones who will have to bear the costs and have each head of cattle chipped with an ID. I've read that with this program, gov't inspectors can come on your property at any time with no warrant, etc., and they do have the right to confiscate your animal if you fail to report within 24 hours any movement of that animal or any contact that animal may have had with other animals. I don't know about killing the animals, but then again, if they confiscate the animals, what do they plan to do with them, and who will bear the cost of their upkeep? The former owner? The taxpayer? Who? At this point, I have more questions than answers. |
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| jennwarr84 | Tuesday, 21. March 2006, 08:11 Post #15 |
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The government is getting to where they control everything. America isn't really free in some cases, especially if this passes. I wonder if the chips hurt the animals. I read in llamas it can sometimes spread to the brain and kill them. I just don't think this is right. All they want to do is make more money selling beef to other countries, but those other countries eat horse. This would definately be a pain for all the show people and trail riders. Even a small trip to the vet would be a hassle. It's just crazy. Jenn |
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| Deleted User | Tuesday, 21. March 2006, 08:36 Post #16 |
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yeah! we should secede from the Union! This is war! whoops, we've already tried that. Oh well. I rarely read anything long in detail, so forgive me if this is in one of the above very long posts. But am I to understand that if we ride our horses down the road, or back trail or whatever, that we would have to notify the goverment because technically, they're being moved? They eat dogs other places too. Why aint they being ID'd and tagged? |
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| jennwarr84 | Tuesday, 21. March 2006, 08:51 Post #17 |
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It's my understanding that you also have to notify them 24 hours in advance and let them know where your going. Seems like I read where you have to tell them what premise ID's you will cross along the way. Not sure about that though, because that could be a lot of researching. But yes, you have to notify them if the animal leaves the property for anything--a ride, vet visit, horse show, etc. Jenn |
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| Deleted User | Tuesday, 21. March 2006, 10:25 Post #18 |
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well.. nice knowing y'all. i imagine i'll be locked up before long. lol |
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| jennwarr84 | Tuesday, 21. March 2006, 12:18 Post #19 |
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Me too. But I did hear that the NAIS has been put off until 2009. |
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| Deleted User | Tuesday, 21. March 2006, 12:53 Post #20 |
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oh. 3 years. I could be dead and buried by then, so I reckon I'll wait to worry.
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| jennwarr84 | Tuesday, 21. March 2006, 13:07 Post #21 |
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Maybe by then people will have realized how crazy it is. Jenn |
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| Deleted User | Tuesday, 21. March 2006, 15:51 Post #22 |
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yeah right.
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| msequine | Thursday, 23. March 2006, 06:35 Post #23 |
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That's it in a nutshell Joey. And any movement has to be reported within 24 hours or you could face fines or confiscation of your animals. There's now talk of including cats and dogs in this plan in the future. Oh yeah, if you don't have your animal and premises registered, you won't be allowed to buy or sell any livestock. That rule will probably be extended to the other animals as they're included. |
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| msequine | Tuesday, 23. May 2006, 07:47 Post #24 |
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Note: The booklet is a PDF file and will require Adobe Reader to view. NEW BOOKLET! May 2006--NAIS and Horses: The Facts Surrounding the National Animal Identification System as it Applies to the Horse Industry in the U.S. http://www.horsecouncil.org/06%20ESWG%20-%...l%20Booklet.pdf |
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| Deleted User | Tuesday, 23. May 2006, 10:14 Post #25 |
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Ok. Read it. I wonder why they don't include humans in that? We could all have chips inplanted and they could use gps to track us. |
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| msequine | Tuesday, 23. May 2006, 11:09 Post #26 |
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Don't think that hasn't been discussed. Especially considering the current VA fiasco. The problem right now is that the chips can be hacked. Once they figure out a way to prevent that, I think you'll see it become more mainstream than you'd like. A friend who works with RFID technology says that they have some the size of a grain of sand (yep, smaller than a grain of rice) and they can be used for GPS tracking. BTW, I only skimmed through the report. I plan to read it later, when I'm awake.
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| Deleted User | Tuesday, 23. May 2006, 11:57 Post #27 |
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That's it. I'm moving to a carribean island. Who's with me? I'll need entertainment lol |
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| StacyeRichey | Wednesday, 24. May 2006, 06:10 Post #28 |
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Can we bring the friendly staff from Steph's Mane Trip? I'm going out to get some sunscreen! Stacye |
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| Deleted User | Wednesday, 24. May 2006, 06:14 Post #29 |
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yup! All are invited.. expecially their horses.
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| msequine | Monday, 26. June 2006, 23:01 Post #30 |
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New article on NAIS in The Gaited Horse Magazine. The Summer, 2006 Issue (Vol 9, Issue 2) has devoted quite a bit of its space to the pitfalls of NAIS. If you don't have this issue, you can read the complete article online. Here's a link: http://www.thegaitedhorse.com/nais.htm And a few quotes from the (very long but thorough) article:
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