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| **NAIS**; also Codex Alimentarius, OIE, and WTO | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Thursday, 29. December 2005, 11:26 (1,801 Views) | |
| jennwarr84 | Monday, 17. December 2007, 15:00 Post #91 |
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We aren't filling one out either. I just don't see why I should pay the government anything for having land and horses. Nothing we buy is tax deductible for the horses. |
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| msequine | Monday, 17. December 2007, 18:29 Post #92 |
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AMEN to that! |
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| Deleted User | Monday, 17. December 2007, 18:47 Post #93 |
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That was my first thought. |
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| Deleted User | Wednesday, 2. January 2008, 20:39 Post #94 |
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I just had to post something about this. I have been keeping up to date on the NAIS. Contrary to popular belief, it is NOT a tracking program It is an identification program, just like AVID and HomeAgain microchips in small animals. They are not GPS chips used to track movement of animals. The only way this can be achieved is to have the chips read by a reader. During Hurricane Katrina relief, all animals rescued were microchipped, and those who had already been chipped were much easier to place back with their owners. Louisiana already requires all horses to be microchipped and that is how they identify these animals for coggins (there are no places for even drawing on a LA coggins). The reason for wanting to do this primarily is to limit stolen horses and those being misrepresented. In other words, you would have to have the true horse matched with the papers (if they are even papered) rather than being at the mercy of some horse traders that will take any papers for any horse that are a "close match". Also, this is to help identify horse/livestock owners in a certain area so that if a contagious disease is found to be in a certain area, others in that area could then be warned of the risk to their animals and be able to take necessary precautions. As a hose owner myself, I think this is a great idea. Also, with the closing of slaughterhouses the price of horses has dropped with child broke papered horses selling for less than $50 (I have seeen this)......many people who no NOTHING about horse care are going to be owning horses. Some will learn and become good horse people some day, others will not. Many of these people don't understand the importance of vaccines or coggins...putting your horses and mine at risk. A program such as NAIS is ultimately for the good of the horse owner that is concerned with the welfare of their horses. It is not "big brother" trying to track you and your horses movement at all times. Your horse would only be able to be "tracked" by officials (same as they can do now) who have microchip readers to read the identification code of your animal. As an owner of a dog and cats with AVID microchips, I have NEVER had a problem with Cancer, movement of the chip or any other issues brought up. Also, the microchip has allowed my dog to be returned to me after my petsitter lost him. I love it and will be getting my horse microchipped. Studies have NOT shown a direct link between microchip and cancer. As far as movement of the chip, those were only shown in cases where the chips were improperly placed. Microchips have been used for identificaiton of horses in Europe for years without any problem. There has been a recent article in the mass equine media that also has these misinterpretations of this program. I urge you all to be careful where you read your information and do more detailed research into it. As a person who has been horribly misquoted by a LARGE equine magazine so that they could make a more interesting story, I urge you to read these articles with a grain of salt and if you want to know more, find the original source, and remember that many of those in the media want to write a story that will get your attention and some "trust" that their authors are being accurate...but unfortunatley, this is not always the case. The true purpose of NAIS is for disease identification, control, and prevention. This is a good thing. |
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| Blue_rose2001 | Wednesday, 2. January 2008, 22:04 Post #95 |
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OK- slightly off topic, but related and very funny! The Number 1 Thought For 2008: We know exactly where one cow with Mad-cow Disease is located among millions and millions of cows in America but we haven't got a clue as to where millions of illegal immigrants and terrorists are located. Maybe we should put the Department of Agriculture in charge of Immigration.
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| LeLoo | Thursday, 3. January 2008, 06:19 Post #96 |
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There ya go BR!! I wondered if we weren't being a bit paranoid myself, but I'd rather have a choice. Anything mandatory from the government seems a bit invasive. |
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| msequine | Thursday, 3. January 2008, 06:40 Post #97 |
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Dressagegurl, thank you for posting. Your post is well thought out and presented. Another point of view also brings balance to the subject. For those who regularly attend horse shows/events, I can certainly understand incorporating some type of notification system in the event of disease. While the EWSG has recommended that no movements be reported "for now," when does that change? I think most of us realize that these aren't GPS chips; however, as far as I'm concerned, if I have to report my horses movements (or anyone visiting my property with an animal) to the gov't within 24 hours, that is tracking. This program has been presented as voluntary, but the above bill will make it mandatory if passed. So, we've been lied to already. Also, the fact that Digital Angel's was approved for this exact purpose before the bill passed doesn't instill me with confidence. I have worked for both Federal and State Gov'ts, and, IME, information gathered from any such program is often shared among agencies and sometimes outside businesses as well. Really, if people want to get their horses (or other animals) microchipped, that's fine. The bottom line, for me (and probably others, but I can only speak for myself), is that I don't want to be forced into this program. I'd rather have the opportunity to say "No, thanks." |
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| msequine | Thursday, 3. January 2008, 06:41 Post #98 |
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| msequine | Thursday, 3. January 2008, 06:43 Post #99 |
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I should have had you write my reply Steph. That sums it up perfectly for me.
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| msequine | Saturday, 5. January 2008, 07:37 Post #100 |
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NC is requiring premises registration to buy imported emergency hay (NC has hay shortage due to drought): http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Carolin...s/message/32752 Linked message above also references the NC Dept of Ag website where it states registration is required to purchase hay. |
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| grannycowgirl | Saturday, 5. January 2008, 08:29 Post #101 |
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That is horrible. I went to the NC agri site just to read for myself. I wasn't doubting you, Ruth, but just wanted to see this in black and white. Our government is way out of line on this. Here is an interesting article, titled, "Does NAIS stop disease?" No. Despite recent claims by some, NAIS does nothing to stop disease or contamination in the food supply. NAIS was not intended for this purpose. The goal of the National Animal Identification System is to provide 48-hour trace back to the farm of origin in the case of problems so that the big agri-biz industry can increase their exports to foreign markets. NAIS is about expanded profits. http://nonais.org/index.php/does-nais-stop-disease-2/ |
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| grannycowgirl | Saturday, 5. January 2008, 08:46 Post #102 |
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Small farmers and families will have to register and pay a registration fee for every head of livestock or poultry, while corporate farms with large herds or flocks of more than 30,000 chickens will only have to pay the fee equivalent of owning one animal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Anim...fication_System So, who is our gov't looking out for, certainly not us little people. This all comes down to money, money, politics. Makes me
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| grannycowgirl | Saturday, 5. January 2008, 08:54 Post #103 |
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It's voluntary. Participation is your choice. USDA has no plans to make participation in any component of NAIS mandatory. Individual States may choose to keep participation voluntary or not, based on local needs. USDA strongly believes that the best approach to NAIS is a voluntary system driven by the States and the private sector. You decide - based on your needs - to participate in one, two, or all three components of NAIS. http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/about/...s.shtml#Reason5 Yea, right.
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| msequine | Saturday, 5. January 2008, 09:38 Post #104 |
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The Federal Gov't is also tightening the purse strings for states that don't require registration. Sorry, but I don't think this is going anywhere good. It's seems like the corporations/businesses are the citizens instead of "WE THE PEOPLE." |
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| Deleted User | Monday, 7. January 2008, 07:37 Post #105 |
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Interesting article: When 'Voluntary' means 'Mandatory' November 10, 2007 When the U.S. Department of Agriculture announced its new National Animal Identification System in 2005, it was scheduled to become mandatory in three phases: property registration by 2007; animal identification and registration by 2008; and reporting -- within 24 hours -- of animal movement off the registered property by 2009. Even under the best of circumstances, it was an impossible goal. The idea of assigning a seven-digit number to every property in the nation that houses even a single chicken, horse, cow, goat, sheep, or any one of 29 species of animals is simply unrealistic, especially if the owners of the property don't want their property registered in a government database. Even more ridiculous is the idea of tagging each of these hundreds of millions of animals with a radio frequency identification device containing a unique 15-digit number. And perhaps the height of unrealistic expectations was that the owners of these registered and tagged animals would report to the government every time a registered animal was moved from the registered property -- within 24 hours. The USDA anticipated big fines for non-compliance as a way to enforce the "mandatory." It took only a few months after the program was announced for the USDA to realize it was causing a rebellion. Small farmers, ranchers and backyard gardeners with a chicken or two joined together in local groups and national coalitions to tell the USDA the NAIS was not acceptable. Whether intimidated by the loud public outcry or the realization that it could not meet its goals, the USDA announced in 2006 that the NAIS was no longer "mandatory," but would be a voluntary program. On its website, the USDA boasts that more than 400,000 owners of livestock animals have registered in the "voluntary" program. They say nothing about the fact that in Idaho alone, more than 15,000 animal owners were registered in the NAIS without their knowledge or permission, according to John Chatburn, deputy administrator of Idaho's Division of Animal Identification. http://www.naissucks.com/index.php?con=vol...means_mandatory |
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| msequine | Monday, 7. January 2008, 08:16 Post #106 |
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From what I've been reading, several states are using these approaches...either registering premises without permission OR forcing owners to sign up for the program before they can buy food, medications, etc. for their livestock. On a separate, but related note, it appears that a company called SoMark has developed an RFID ink that can be used instead of microChips. Take a look at these two links: http://www.somarkinnovations.com
http://www.rfidjournal.com/magazine/article/3079
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| grannycowgirl | Monday, 7. January 2008, 09:22 Post #107 |
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The public relations campaign in support of the program claims it will stop, or reduce, animal disease outbreaks such as mad cow disease, by providing the ability to trace a diseased animal to its source within 48 hours. The Liberty Ark Coalition says this is a myth, because: "Mad Cow disease is not contagious, takes years to develop, and is completely preventable. NAIS is designed to do only one thing: provide 48-hour trace-back of animal movements. This is simply not relevant to protecting our food supply from Mad Cow disease. Moreover, the USDA has stated that it estimates that there are only four to seven (4-7) cows in the entire U.S. that have BSE, or Mad Cow Disease, and that it's not even necessary to conduct testing to protect our food supply. Indeed, the USDA refuses to allow a U.S. company, Creekstone Farms & Premium Beef, to voluntarily test all of its cattle for BSE, in order to satisfy its customers' wishes. If BSE is not enough of a threat to justify (or even allow) testing, then certainly it cannot be the basis for requiring millions of animals to be electronically tagged and their every move tracked." Opponents of the program contend that it was conceived by, and will benefit, only large meat packers and exporters, and the technology companies that provide the identification and tracking equipment. Opposition has grown dramatically, as small farmers and ranchers realize that their horse, chickens, pigs or cows fall under the USDA's jurisdiction, and they will have to bear the cost and inconvenience of a program that will make no difference to animal health, and benefit only the large exporters and technology companies. The public relations campaign in support of the program claims it will stop, or reduce, animal disease outbreaks such as mad cow disease, by providing the ability to trace a diseased animal to its source within 48 hours. The Liberty Ark Coalition says this is a myth, because: "Mad Cow disease is not contagious, takes years to develop, and is completely preventable. NAIS is designed to do only one thing: provide 48-hour trace-back of animal movements. This is simply not relevant to protecting our food supply from Mad Cow disease. Moreover, the USDA has stated that it estimates that there are only four to seven (4-7) cows in the entire U.S. that have BSE, or Mad Cow Disease, and that it's not even necessary to conduct testing to protect our food supply. Indeed, the USDA refuses to allow a U.S. company, Creekstone Farms & Premium Beef, to voluntarily test all of its cattle for BSE, in order to satisfy its customers' wishes. If BSE is not enough of a threat to justify (or even allow) testing, then certainly it cannot be the basis for requiring millions of animals to be electronically tagged and their every move tracked." Opponents of the program contend that it was conceived by, and will benefit, only large meat packers and exporters, and the technology companies that provide the identification and tracking equipment. Opposition has grown dramatically, as small farmers and ranchers realize that their horse, chickens, pigs or cows fall under the USDA's jurisdiction, and they will have to bear the cost and inconvenience of a program that will make no difference to animal health, and benefit only the large exporters and technology companies. http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/guest/2007/hl_01302.shtml |
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| grannycowgirl | Monday, 7. January 2008, 09:25 Post #108 |
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Mississippi's State NAIS administrator: Mississippi Department of Agriculture Contact: Dr. James Watson Mississippi State Veterinarian/ Animal ID Coordinator jimw@mdac.state.ms.us Address: 121 North Jefferson Street Jackson, MS 39201 Phone: 601-359-1170 Fax: 601-359-1177 Web: http://www.mbah.state.ms.us http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/contac...rectories.shtml |
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| grannycowgirl | Monday, 7. January 2008, 21:02 Post #109 |
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I had read that in some states 4-H and FFA members were not being allowed to show their livestock if they weren't in compliance with NAIS In February, USDA announced $6 million for cooperative agreements, subject to the availability of funding, to support nonprofit agricultural organizations to promote NAIS, and specifically, to increase participation in premises registration. USDA has awarded funding to the National Pork Board and is reviewing additional applications. http://www.aphis.usda.gov/newsroom/content...6/naisffa.shtml |
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| msequine | Tuesday, 8. January 2008, 07:40 Post #110 |
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Lovely. So they're using our tax $$$ to promote something we don't want! |
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| msequine | Monday, 14. January 2008, 09:54 Post #111 |
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Op-Ed article: Animal owners treated like sex offenders
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| msequine | Monday, 14. January 2008, 10:06 Post #112 |
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From LibertyArk.net USDA Plans to Use Breed Registries to Implement NAIS
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| msequine | Monday, 28. January 2008, 07:13 Post #113 |
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Here are some interesting observations/forecasts by Juli Thorson: http://special.equisearch.com/blog/horseta...see-coming.html Juli Thorson is Horse & Rider's lifestyle editor and has been involved in the horse industry for over 30 years IIRC. Below are a few quotes from her blog:
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| msequine | Wednesday, 13. February 2008, 10:07 Post #114 |
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http://farmandranchfreedom.org/content/association-positions Registries that currently (subject to change)do not intend to require NAIS registration:
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| msequine | Friday, 14. March 2008, 19:31 Post #115 |
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The Cart & The Horse – The Controversy Behind NAIS http://www.cattlenetwork.com/content.asp?contentid=205300
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| msequine | Tuesday, 10. June 2008, 05:25 Post #116 |
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http://www.aaep.org/health_articles_view.php?id=103 Looks like AAEP is espousing the party line. |
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| msequine | Friday, 20. June 2008, 05:49 Post #117 |
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http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=12068 Industry Debates Animal Identification System's Impact on Horses
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| msequine | Thursday, 10. July 2008, 04:28 Post #118 |
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http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=12239 USDA Ordered to Release NAIS Data
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| grannycowgirl | Thursday, 24. July 2008, 23:18 Post #119 |
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Groups Urge Congress to Immediately Halt Any Further Advancement of NAIS; Also Request Oversight Hearing to Investigate NAIS Activities http://www.cattlenetwork.com/Content.asp?ContentID=228926 |
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| msequine | Friday, 25. July 2008, 08:12 Post #120 |
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Thanks for posting GC!
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