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Atheists and Morality
Topic Started: Nov 14 2012, 10:40 AM (284 Views)
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so iwas immediately shocked what I'f ud been a nice person all your life would u just go to hell for not believing? I hated the idea that someone so unselfish as jesus woul give endless torment to people who didn't believe my second shock came when I met a lesbian couple I didn't know they were lesbian they acted so normal and they were really nice I was saddened to think they woul go to hell just from their sexual orientation
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this is when i was saddened at how close minded Christians and other religions were so I was confused for a time I've since come to the conclusion that there is a god but he's not a specific one like Zeus or Jesus Chris or vish and that he's always in your heart and as long as your a good person you will go to a good place after death I think all people inherently believe in god in some shape or form even atheists
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I'm an Atheist and take offence to that.

Of course not all of us do, nor do all Christians, or Muslims, Scientologists, Hindus and so on. The fact is, if you believe in something it may affect your actions but doesn't dictate them, as well Morality can be found in several ways other than religion and affect your choices. Such as, I'm an Atheist but I still have morals and wouldn't do something like theft or murder, but Christians might and have. You can't base morals from what you believe in (Or claim to), but on their personality, memory, mental problems etc.. So...Your question is invalid. Furthermore, you stated "Have nothing to base their beliefs on" but the problem with that is, look at cults. The Cult of Cthulhu (Recognized as an actual religion) bases their believes on the book, The Necronomicon, a book supporting...You guessed it! Necromancy...A form of magic, that specializes in killing people and reanimated their corpses. So...Yeah...That's totally not morally bankrupt.
Edited by Beian, Dec 21 2012, 10:48 PM.
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The Cult of Cthulhu (Recognized as an actual religion) bases their believes on the book, The Necronomicon, a book supporting...You guessed it! Necromancy...A form of magic, that specializes in killing people and reanimated their corpses. So...Yeah...That's totally not morally bankrupt.

Hey, don't judge.... or Cthulhu will devour your soul >:D
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Beian
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...No...Not unless BP drills on the moon, awakening him from his 1,000 year slumber!
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Lemon
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R'lyeh is actually located in the south of the Pacific ocean, and not on the moon, but I can see how someone could mistake those two.
Edited by Lemon, Dec 23 2012, 02:45 PM.
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Hmm?
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/360442/drill-the-moon (This place really needs HTML support)
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R'lyeh is a fictional city created by H. P. Lovecraft, which makes its first appearance in the 1928 short story "The Call of Cthulhu". R'lyeh is also referred to in Lovecraft's "The Mound" as Relex. R'lyeh is a sunken city located deep under the Pacific Ocean and is where the godlike being Cthulhu is buried. R'lyeh's bizarre architecture is characterized by its non-Euclidean geometry.
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In his house at R'yleh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming

ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Edited by DaBigWilliG, Mar 13 2013, 01:11 AM.
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Also as a good old British chap it is my duty to inform people that we here in the UK take almost no care in religion as a whole since we see it as more of a large cult than anything important, but I will inform you that crime rates per capa are down when compared to our much more religious brother in the good old USA. so ye looking at it in that way religion is not the source of good morals seeing how religion down in UK crime is also down, while religion is up in the USA and crime is also up in the USA. I would argue that a good government that help the people not the companies is key to good morals as, this then leads to people being able to act as the want to which is to be a decent and kind. To many people don't trust the common man and woman to do the right thing, people want to be good and a government which helps you if you fall, to get back up when you're ready is important to allowing people to do that.
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Also I'm only speaking as a general concerns is from what I know in my life I live in Scotland and at least up here we could not give a flying shit what some magical man in the sky thinks what we do care about is how we can make the world a better place for everyone and I do believe I can speak for England Wales and Northern Ireland when I say that since we are all together like it or not. (Also vote NO for Scottish independence)
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If I could comment on the initial topic of the thread; In my opinion Atheists are more morally secure than theists. I believe this because, in my opinion, humanity knows what constitutes wrong and right. We have a moral compass. And if you require the fear of an eternity roasting in the fires of the worst comprehensible hell in the universe to know not to steal and cheat on your partner, you're probably a really sh*tty person.
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Some 'religious' people can be so morally corrupt that I think it's not connected to faith or Atheism.

It's more about universal ethics, regardless of religions. Some of them produced even more violence instead of limiting it.
Edited by Samara Morgan, Nov 22 2013, 09:26 PM.
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IH
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I do not believe there is such a thing as 'universal ethics', the idea that ethics predate mankind and would exist without it. The idea alludes to the idea that there is such a thing as 'the good' and that we should all be striving for it.

I would consider myself an Atheist and I take a rather existential view to ethics and morality. I believe that humans are free to make there own choices in life with no reference to a universal 'good' (of which I believe there is no such thing) so long as they would be happy for the rest of mankind to also commit the same actions. Everyone, in my opinion, should act within a set of parameters within which they would deem acceptable for the rest of humanity to also follow; if a person does something which they would not be happy for the rest of humanity to do, they would be committing a hypocrisy and a moral violation.

In short, I do not believe there to be a universal ethical or moral code, merely the rules we set ourselves for all of mankind is free to make their own decisions.
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So what about killing innocent people? It's universally a crime. It's some kind of moral code here, not to mention the common sense. But here we go to define what's a common sense... It's not a task for me :P
Edited by Samara Morgan, Nov 22 2013, 10:28 PM.
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As a living being, I accept that I want freedom and life for myself. As I would consider it an affront for someone to take either of these from me and I think in the existentialist mode, I must apply what I want to the rest of humanity, I can only act in a way that would prevent me from harming/killing/revoking the freedom of others. This doesn't relate to a universal 'the good' as it only exists in our time period and to ourselves, this thought process would change depending on what culture it is used in and disappear completely without humanity to think it up.

Common sense isn't all that common or easy to define. :P
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Hmmm, well said :)
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Samara Morgan
Nov 22 2013, 10:18 PM
So what about killing innocent people? It's universally a crime.
The definition of innocent isn't though.
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There is no such thing as universal ethics. However, cultures- separate from the religions attached to or existing within them- have laws and generally agreed-upon ethics. You can believe there is no God and still have strong moral fiber; your morals simply come from your culture and personal ideals rather than religion, which is just as good.

I thought this was a perfect example of morality without belief in a higher power:
"If there is nothing but what we make in this world, brothers... let us make good." -Beta Ray Bill, Marvel Comics
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