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Same-sex marriage
Topic Started: Dec 18 2012, 04:07 PM (513 Views)
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What is your opinion on same-sex marriage? Are you for it? Against it? Do you not really care either way? Are you happy how your countries government treats the situation? Are you yourself married to someone of the same gender? Discuss.
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Tadin
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I'm for gay marriage. I am gay myself. It seems absurd to me that this is even a debate. It's probably because I live in a very liberal city.

The best compromise is to divorce marriage all together from the government and leave it a religious institution. Then, have the government issue civil unions to everyone who wants legally recognized benefits and rights.
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Alancar
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Dec 18 2012, 04:07 PM
What is your opinion on same-sex marriage?
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Minister of Technologies Turrepture
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I'm all for LGBT rights. They're human rights, in my opinion.
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Sian
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I'm so happy for the people in the states that can now get married in certain places, not all the states sure but it's getting there!

I fully believe that everyone has the right to be recognised equally and not segregated. Marriage is ultimately a word, and no institution should claim ownership. By institution I mean like, a man and woman - if that makes sense?
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Akkadian Assyria
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Well it doesn't hurt anyone so I don't understand why it's illegal in so many areas
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Well, homo-sexuals are people too (Unlike Alanclar) and deserve the same rights as anybody else. It's like saying Black people should be slaves, or by saving women shouldn't be able to vote. But most people have outgrown those prejudices....
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Dec 23 2012, 02:03 AM
Well, homo-sexuals are people too (Unlike Alanclar) and deserve the same rights as anybody else. It's like saying Black people should be slaves, or by saving women shouldn't be able to vote. But most people have outgrown those prejudices....
It's just the latest stage of completing human rights and making people equal. It's hard to believe that only a hundred years a go you only had full rights if you were a heterosexual white man. Over time we had women's rights added, rights for ethnic people added, some gay rights such as it becoming legal added, but it's still not completed the gay rights as they can't marry etc (depending where you live of course). It's a shame and disgrace that there are still parts of the world where women and people of different skin colour are still treated like second class citizens.
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Jahmurai
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There are many unlogical reasons why people argue/use violence...
This is one of those reasons...
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Against. I believe Marriage is a Sacred union between a man and a woman. Call me what you will, that's my belief.
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Tadin
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My middle ground compromise to you, Hellbound would be, what if we separated "marriage" in the legal sense from "marriage" in the religious sense. This "religious marriage" would not carry any legal benefits, but would be completely celebrated within your religion. It could even hold a ban on same-sex marriage if their religion compels it.

Then, we could have a "civil marriage", which would be entirely secular and only recognized by the government and available to all. It would come along with all the legal benefits, without any religious strings attached.

If you are a heterosexual couple, you can have both. If you are homosexual, you are only entitled to one, but that one comes with all the legal benefits you would need in your union.
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Jan 18 2013, 11:01 PM
My middle ground compromise to you, Hellbound would be, what if we separated "marriage" in the legal sense from "marriage" in the religious sense..
That is not a compromise Tadin. The separation that you talk about already exists.

For example, the catholic church doesn't recognize divorce. That's why you can only marry once and as far as they are concerned you stay like that until either you or your spouse dies. But obviously the state recognizes divorce and second marriage.

It is a common misconception that legalizing gay marriage means churches have to recognize it. That is not the case. Churches have the discretion to marry whomever they please, using whatever standards they want, even if they conflict with those of the govermnent. The catholic church not marrying divorcees would be one example of that.
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That's a good point.

So if this separation already exists, then I assume then all we have to do is extend the rights of marriage in the eyes of the law to same sex couples and we will have this happy median that I outlined above. That will be a solution we all can swallow, right?

If this is already how it is structured and the debate still rages, then I assume not. The argument against gay marriage cannot be that religious freedom is being infringed. The argument becomes that they are showing disapproval for an act of government that they consider to be immoral and against their religion.

Well, that's a nice little opinion for them to hold and it certainly is their right to do so. For those of us who live in the US and many other places in the Western World, the secular government that we have would say, "yeah, so what if your religion says that?" I would ask those against gay marriage if they can construct a justification for banning gay marriage that is legally sound that does not use religion to justify it.
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The 'compromise' is in the form of Civil Unions. And while I cannot approve of homosexuality, it is not my place to judge. And I will not use "religion" to brow-beat anybody.
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Tadin
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Haradrim
So, it really comes down to the title of the union that is the sticking point?
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Hellhound
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Not for me, personally. I don't think either are right.
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Tadin
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Haradrim
Meaning that you don't think that either heterosexual or homosexual relationships are right?

Or you mean that neither civil union or marriage for same-sex couples are right?
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Hellhound
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Warg
My personal belief is neither civil union, or same-sex marriage are right.
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Tadin
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Is there any reason why if a civil marriage in the eyes of the law or a civil union neither infringe upon your religious convictions?

I'm trying to understand what underlying values bring you to this conclusion.
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The fact that I believe homosexuality to be sin.
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