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Oct 19 2013, 06:26 PM
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Oct 19 2013, 06:09 PM
why would cough syrup burn you ?
maybe prescription ones would but over the counter ? :confused
if you told them you has a scrip , is it still an issue ?
In Ohio, you can still get cough syrup that has some codeine in it, but you have to sign for it.
And, you can only get so much of it. No 'script needed.
You can only get some of this from a pharmacy that you regularly visit. In general.
So... I guess that would depend on how the politics revolve where one works.
yeah....
you can't get it over the counter here to my knowledge , which to me means it's on the shelves
I use cough drops or tussin.......rarely.......
I'd think if you were a driver or someone that deals with the public transportation , it wouldn't matter , you'd be in trouble......
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Considering how NASCAR has handed out season-long probations for drunk driving infractions on drivers for being crocked--even if it wasn't on NASCAR's time--I can see it happening, especially if Todd drank just before a test. It would help that, it if was alcohol, how much out of spec he was as to what happened. But with most if not all drug stuff, either you're legal or not as far as NASCAR's concerned here.

And even if it's a legit medicine being used on a legit prescription, there's reasons why such substances are still restricted--how many commercial ads say that you shouldn't drive or operate machinery until you know how certain medications can effect you? That could also be the case here.

Policy seems to be that if you're on something legit and you're open about it with NASCAR and provide proof of a legit prescription, NASCAR might give a bye, but it's still up to their discretion on if they'll let you race or not until you're off the medication. And if a substance abuse problem is suspected, they have the right to deny that person the right and privilege to participate until they get help and get straightened out.

This is one instance where a NASCAR policy has to protect drivers, team members, and even NASCAR and their officials from themselves.
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he could have smoked a couple joints one night in the past month... off the job... on his own free time
And he'd still be in violation of NASCAR's substance abuse policy.
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he could have smoked a couple joints one night in the past month... off the job... on his own free time
And he'd still be in violation of NASCAR's substance abuse policy.
Why would they care if a crew chief got high???

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It doesn't matter why they care.... :cheers
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he could have smoked a couple joints one night in the past month... off the job... on his own free time
And he'd still be in violation of NASCAR's substance abuse policy.
Why would they care if a crew chief got high???

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he could make a bad decision or omission that could cause a failure and hurt someone...

personally I'd put odds of that at about a zillion to 1, but I am biased... and experienced...
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he could have smoked a couple joints one night in the past month... off the job... on his own free time
And he'd still be in violation of NASCAR's substance abuse policy.
Why would they care if a crew chief got high???

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he could make a bad decision or omission that could cause a failure and hurt someone...

They don't have to be high to do that....

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^true that

it's part of concepts people have because "Reefer Madness" mis-informed the public horribly...
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Oct 19 2013, 06:44 PM
Considering how NASCAR has handed out season-long probations for drunk driving infractions on drivers for being crocked--even if it wasn't on NASCAR's time--I can see it happening, especially if Todd drank just before a test. It would help that, it if was alcohol, how much out of spec he was as to what happened. But with most if not all drug stuff, either you're legal or not as far as NASCAR's concerned here.

And even if it's a legit medicine being used on a legit prescription, there's reasons why such substances are still restricted--how many commercial ads say that you shouldn't drive or operate machinery until you know how certain medications can effect you? That could also be the case here.

Policy seems to be that if you're on something legit and you're open about it with NASCAR and provide proof of a legit prescription, NASCAR might give a bye, but it's still up to their discretion on if they'll let you race or not until you're off the medication. And if a substance abuse problem is suspected, they have the right to deny that person the right and privilege to participate until they get help and get straightened out.

This is one instance where a NASCAR policy has to protect drivers, team members, and even NASCAR and their officials from themselves.
when's the last Time Todd drove :laugh
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I expect to hear comments from Rusty tomorrow.... they used to be close friends, dunno about now, though... Todd was Rusty's tire specialist his championship year...
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Oct 19 2013, 07:42 PM
They don't have to be high to do that....

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But if they are high and NASCAR basically "allows" it by not having these policies, NASCAR's culpability is magnified.
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Oct 19 2013, 03:17 PM
The sad thing is marijuana, which is a socially accepted relatively harmless "drug" is detected in your system up to 40 days after your last use (unless your hair is tested, in which case it's in there for years).... AND there is no test developed to determine how recently your last use was. Meanwhile the rest of the drugs are pretty much out of your system after a week at most, some as little as 24 hours. So it's pretty easy to tell when they were using those drugs.

So IF this ends up being about marijuana don't let it effect your judgment of the person, because he could have smoked a couple joints one night in the past month... off the job... on his own free time and failed the test.
Sounds to me like the only mature way to ensure an adult can continue to provide for their family is to not do any drugs. Sounds so simple but the simple minded drug addicted just can't understand it. Maybe it's the dope they do that makes them so stupid?
Well.....
Got a bad cough? Better just hack it up, since any decent cough syrup will burn you in a random test.
Crack some ribs? Suck it up buddy, cause any pain pills will burn you too.

Lumping everybody into the category of "drug addict" is kind of parochial.
And for the record, I can pass any test at any time, no matter what a certain member here thinks.
Said member can also kiss my ass. And he knows who he is.
(I'm not referring to you, Snuff)
Well I could always use the term juvenile irresponsible jackass. Dopes are dopes. Risking unemployment and public shame because one thinks it's ok to drink like a fish, smoke weed, snort coke or bang junk with no negative effects is mighty stupid.
Also I like using the term drug addict because it has the most negative stereotypes attached to it. Dumb enough to do it, you friggin deserve to be ashamed of yourself. Not ashamed, you're dumber than hell.

I'll bet Todd Parrot is pretty ashamed of himself right about now.
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Oct 19 2013, 03:17 PM
The sad thing is marijuana, which is a socially accepted relatively harmless "drug" is detected in your system up to 40 days after your last use (unless your hair is tested, in which case it's in there for years).... AND there is no test developed to determine how recently your last use was. Meanwhile the rest of the drugs are pretty much out of your system after a week at most, some as little as 24 hours. So it's pretty easy to tell when they were using those drugs.

So IF this ends up being about marijuana don't let it effect your judgment of the person, because he could have smoked a couple joints one night in the past month... off the job... on his own free time and failed the test.
89 days.... it can stay in your urine 89 days...

I know... from personal experience...

89 days...
damn, you beat my record of 45 days.
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Oct 19 2013, 09:18 PM
Well I could always use the term juvenile irresponsible jackass. Dopes are dopes. Risking unemployment and public shame because one thinks it's ok to drink like a fish, smoke weed, snort coke or bang junk with no negative effects is mighty stupid.
Also I like using the term drug addict because it has the most negative stereotypes attached to it. Dumb enough to do it, you friggin deserve to be ashamed of yourself. Not ashamed, you're dumber than hell.

I'll bet Todd Parrot is pretty ashamed of himself right about now.
Your horse needs to be drug tested, because it is obviously high.
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Well I could always use the term juvenile irresponsible jackass. Dopes are dopes. Risking unemployment and public shame because one thinks it's ok to drink like a fish, smoke weed, snort coke or bang junk with no negative effects is mighty stupid.
Also I like using the term drug addict because it has the most negative stereotypes attached to it. Dumb enough to do it, you friggin deserve to be ashamed of yourself. Not ashamed, you're dumber than hell.

I'll bet Todd Parrot is pretty ashamed of himself right about now.
Your horse needs to be drug tested, because it is obviously high.
I'm not weighing in on either side of the discussion. I'm just recognizing Dzufast's superb rejoinder.
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The sad thing is marijuana, which is a socially accepted relatively harmless "drug" is detected in your system up to 40 days after your last use (unless your hair is tested, in which case it's in there for years).... AND there is no test developed to determine how recently your last use was. Meanwhile the rest of the drugs are pretty much out of your system after a week at most, some as little as 24 hours. So it's pretty easy to tell when they were using those drugs.

So IF this ends up being about marijuana don't let it effect your judgment of the person, because he could have smoked a couple joints one night in the past month... off the job... on his own free time and failed the test.
89 days.... it can stay in your urine 89 days...

I know... from personal experience...

89 days...
damn, you beat my record of 45 days.
probably just improved testing...
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Oct 19 2013, 05:16 PM
...89 days.... it can stay in your urine 89 days...

I know... from personal experience...

89 days...
wait...... you went 89 days without a toke?



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actually almost 2 years... 89 to get clean...

legal system and job search took priority, LOL...
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Oct 19 2013, 06:44 PM
Considering how NASCAR has handed out season-long probations for drunk driving infractions on drivers for being crocked--even if it wasn't on NASCAR's time--I can see it happening, especially if Todd drank just before a test. It would help that, it if was alcohol, how much out of spec he was as to what happened. But with most if not all drug stuff, either you're legal or not as far as NASCAR's concerned here.

And even if it's a legit medicine being used on a legit prescription, there's reasons why such substances are still restricted--how many commercial ads say that you shouldn't drive or operate machinery until you know how certain medications can effect you? That could also be the case here.

Policy seems to be that if you're on something legit and you're open about it with NASCAR and provide proof of a legit prescription, NASCAR might give a bye, but it's still up to their discretion on if they'll let you race or not until you're off the medication. And if a substance abuse problem is suspected, they have the right to deny that person the right and privilege to participate until they get help and get straightened out.

This is one instance where a NASCAR policy has to protect drivers, team members, and even NASCAR and their officials from themselves.
when's the last Time Todd drove :laugh
Rule applies equally to mechanics, other team members, or NASCAR officials. Last things that teams need is a mechanic or crew chief who's high, crocked, or otherwise off his rocker at the shop or track, even if it's a legitimate medication, and the same for NASCAR's officials.

It's not just drivers who've been sat down for this--it's mostly been crew members, and I think even a couple of officials may've gotten nailed, too.

NASCAR's stance is that if you work for a team or us, lay off the sauce and drugs, and if you're on meds, clear it with us, knowing that we may sit you down for something legit until you can get off the meds because of how they may effect you.
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Considering how NASCAR has handed out season-long probations for drunk driving infractions on drivers for being crocked--even if it wasn't on NASCAR's time

who got suspended for this :confused ?
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Probation is different from suspension. Allmendinger, and Annett were put on probation for the rest of the 2010 and 2011 seasons when they got pinged for drunk driving, as did Scott Wimmer in '04. No other penalties were enacted by NASCAR, aside from them insisting that the pinged drivers perform community service on NASCAR's behalf equal to what the state criminal courts sentenced them to. However, NASCAR did say that other penalties, including suspensions, could be enacted if they did violate their probation before the end of those seasons.
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I personally know two people who have run afoul of the NASCAR drug rules. One was a crew chief at the time, and did much of the fab work on the underfunded team he was with. I felt it was a justifiable suspension as he could be a liability. The other is a bodyman whose job of track for the team is body and paint, and at the track he creates wheelwell clearances in case of a fender bender... nothing that is life threatening, so in my opinion, his one year suspension was a bit overkill.
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Problem is that anyone who touches these cars can be potential liabilities. Even if Todd was taking something that was restricted under the policy, especially if he didn't try to clear it with NASCAR first, it doesn't matter if he has a legit prescription, NASCAR does have the right to suspend him for not being open with NASCAR about it. And in either case, for not being open or even if he was, it being a medication that has potential adverse side effects, they can temporarily bar him from the track until he's off meds or it becomes clear how the meds would effect him.

That's why Jon Wood no longer races in NASCAR--he was on a med that NASCAR was concerned could impair his judgement, and asked him not to race until he could get off that medication or switch to something with lesser effects. I also don't think that NASCAR would willingly allow a driver on blood thinners to race, which is why Vickers is out until the end of the season on the advice of both his and NASCAR's doctors.
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Probation is different from suspension. Allmendinger, and Annett were put on probation for the rest of the 2010 and 2011 seasons when they got pinged for drunk driving, as did Scott Wimmer in '04. No other penalties were enacted by NASCAR, aside from them insisting that the pinged drivers perform community service on NASCAR's behalf equal to what the state criminal courts sentenced them to. However, NASCAR did say that other penalties, including suspensions, could be enacted if they did violate their probation before the end of those seasons.


point taken....see....answers don't need to take a 1000 words :laugh :laugh :laugh
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In short: probation--we caught you, you're reprimanded, don't do this again, at least until you're off probation.

Suspension--action taken to bar someone from participating as immediate punishment for an offense, or violating probation.

Big reason why the drunk driving probably didn't get any of those guys suspended was because it wasn't on NASCAR's time, and probation is very easy to enforce by both NASCAR and the driver's team. Annett was routinely breathalyzed by NASCAR and team owner Rusty Wallace, who had Annett on probation for a season in a half himself.
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I was recently called for a random test under my companies policy (required by most of our clients). This is a new service for us, but they have been in the business for a long time. The surprise for me was they did not prepare a split sample. I didn't ask, but I get the sense that retests are so rarely needed and have such a very low history of overturning the result of the first test, that they just don't bother anymore. More shocking to me is the new alcohol policy. If you are over 0.04% you are busted and immediately denied access to any client sites. You then must enter a "program". If you are under 0.02% you go back to work with no problem. If you are in between 0.02% and 0.04%, you are allowed to sit in the waiting area and be retested every half hour until you test under 0.02% and then, that's right, you go back to work. Having a beer with lunch is back in play, if you dare.
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I was recently called for a random test under my companies policy (required by most of our clients). This is a new service for us, but they have been in the business for a long time. The surprise for me was they did not prepare a split sample. I didn't ask, but I get the sense that retests are so rarely needed and have such a very low history of overturning the result of the first test, that they just don't bother anymore. More shocking to me is the new alcohol policy. If you are over 0.04% you are busted and immediately denied access to any client sites. You then must enter a "program". If you are under 0.02% you go back to work with no problem. If you are in between 0.02% and 0.04%, you are allowed to sit in the waiting area and be retested every half hour until you test under 0.02% and then, that's right, you go back to work. Having a beer with lunch is back in play, if you dare.
Last time I was checked I went to the men's room and peed, took the cup back to the front desk, and the results were already displayed...
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RPM released Todd, Forget his name, but the car chief will be on the box for the rest of the year.
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OMG! NASCAR like totally ruined his life!
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“I was in a dark moment, and it happened,” Parrott said. “The next morning when I woke up, I just couldn’t believe what I’d done and beat myself up pretty bad about it. I had to go face the truth.”
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his first step should be admitting what he took
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He was snortin blow off a naked hooker's ass. Satisfied?
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Oct 22 2013, 08:46 PM
He was snortin blow off a naked hooker's ass. Satisfied?


She was wearing a hat.

This kind of inaccurate posting causes nothing but trouble.

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what happened to "innocent until proven guilty" or does that only apply to beating up a woman?
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Correct me if I am wrong but I have not seen any mention of the NASCAR road to recovery program. Did I miss something?
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Correct me if I am wrong but I have not seen any mention of the NASCAR road to recovery program. Did I miss something?
Richard Petty has a zero tolerance policy so he got fired.
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Correct me if I am wrong but I have not seen any mention of the NASCAR road to recovery program. Did I miss something?
Richard Petty has a zero tolerance policy so he got fired.


He'll have to deal with the program before he can go to work for any other team.

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Correct me if I am wrong but I have not seen any mention of the NASCAR road to recovery program. Did I miss something?
Richard Petty has a zero tolerance policy so he got fired.


He'll have to deal with the program before he can go to work for any other team.

Well that was my point. Parrott does not seem to be headed to the program...
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what happened to "innocent until proven guilty" or does that only apply to beating up a woman?
apples and oranges
he admitted he screwed up , not what drug he did
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what happened to "innocent until proven guilty" or does that only apply to beating up a woman?
A hot drug test pretty much proves guilt.
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