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Indigenous Armored Vehicle; indigenous armored vehicles, SRDP, MX8 Barako
Topic Started: Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:44 pm (250 Views)
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MX-8 Armored Escort Vehicle

The MX-8 Armored Escort Vehicle is an experimental armored vehicle currently under development by Philippine steelworks fabricator Steelcraft Industrial & Development Corporation, in collaboration with the Philippine Army, arising from a need by the latter for smaller, tougher armored vehicle that can fill an escort role larger armored vehicles cannot; a consideration confined Philippine jungles aggravated. MX-8 stands for "Military Experimental 8", following from a list of prototype vehicles developed by Steelcraft during the latter half of the 20th century. The Philippine Army has expressed significant interest in the project, helping to bankroll a few aspects of the prototypes, indicating intent to purchase a number units once the MX-8 has exited the development stage.
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1 Development
1.1 Engine
1.2 Armor
1.3 Armament
2 Variants
3 See also
4 References

Development

The first prototype of the MX-8 was manufactured by Steelcraft in 2005 under the Philippine's Self Reliant Defense Posture Law. Steelcraft also manufactured the first Philippine-made armored personnel carrier, the Hari-Digma (Filipino, "King of Battle") and also its variant, the MX-1 Kalakian. The MX-8 is to fulfill a role that the larger Cadillac Gage Commandos and LAV-300s in service with the Armed Forces of the Philippines could not, and that was to provide small, armored and armed escorts through rebel-infested jungles. Though not officially used by Steelcraft, or the Army, Barako ("Wild boar") is the nickname given to the vehicle by members of the Philippines Defense Forces' Forum. Designed to be low-cost, yet effectively durable for the price – protection is equivalent to that of a Simba – a single unit costs roughly Php 6.8 million, around USD 150,000.

Currently, the MX-8 is in its second prototype form after the first went through testing at the Light Armored Division's Research and Development Command with significant changes done to the frame and power train after the RDC's testing and evaluation found several potential problems arising from the prototype's design. The second prototype gets rid of these problems, and is currently awaiting to be transferred to the RDC for further testing and evaluation.
Engine

Taking into consideration low cost, yet making the MX-8 as reliable as possible, the designers incorporated an off-the-shelf engine and drivetrain from a Mitsubishi medium-duty truck, a 4-cylinder, 4.3 liter, turbocharged, intercooler engine giving the MX-8 150 horsepower. Running on a 5-speed manual transmission, the MX-8 gets a 35.9:1 power-to-weight ratio that is transmitted to a live-axle, semi-elliptical rear and double wishbone, coil suspension up front for its four wheel drive platform. The MX-8 gets 100–120 km/h on paved roads, presumably less on unpaved roads, though statistics are not quite clear on this issue.
Armor

The MX-8's monocoque hull is made from quarter-inch rolled steel plating and is resistant to 7.62 mm armor-piercing rounds from the front, rear and sides at point-blank range. Glancing shots from .50-caliber rounds will be deflected by the armor but will penetrate if shot head-on unto an armor panel. Building a monocoque body around the drive train and engine ensures maximum body rigidity and eases manufacturing constraints while allowing the incorporation of a semi-V shaped hull and blow-away wheel wells as measures against anti-vehicle mines and IEDs.

A 1-meter fully enclosed turret is situated on the top of the vehicle, allowing a variety of weapons configurations such as a 40 mm automatic grenade launcher or .50 cal heavy machine gun for fire-support roles. This enclosed turret may be replaced with an open turret ring mounting a simple heavy or general purpose machine gun and gunner shield.
Armament

Armament is limited by the vehicle's carrying capacity, similar to smaller armored vehicle standards, as well as what can dimensionally fit in the one-meter armored turret. The following may be the primary weapons outfitted on the MX-8:

7.62 mm machine gun
40 mm automatic grenade launcher
M2 .50 heavy machine gun
Remote controlled turret

The Philippine Army has been experimenting with a number of Humvees mounting an M134 Vulcan Minigun in place of the ring-mounted machine gun, and this kind of set-up has a good chance of being put in use on the MX-8.
Variants

Proposed variants rumored to be in the pipeline as soon as production officially starts, though nothing final has come from Steelcraft, include:

Armored personnel carrier
Amphibious assault vehicle

Source: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MX-8_Armored_Escort_Vehicle



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The one leading the line is the MX8 Armored Escort Vehicle that was designed to relieve the Simba and V150 Armored Personnel Carrier from the simpler roles like escorting convoys.

photo courtesy:Armed Forces of the Philippines page

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MX8 Mk1 (1st prototype)

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MX8 Mk2 (2nd prototype)

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MX8 Mk3 (3rd prototype)

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MK8 Mk3 back

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MK8 Mk3 actual deployment in Sulu

2 MK8 were purchased by the Sulu govt for its police units.


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MX-8 Armored Escort Vehicle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MX-8_Armored_Escort_Vehicle




For those who don't know yet, the MX8 was a product of the AFP's R&D team and a civilian contractor named STEELCRAFT, with it's representative (call sign "Steelcraft" in the defense forums) constantly and patiently interacting with military analysts and researchers, which helped refine the design for survivability and performance.

I was among those who provided inputs in the refinements. We focused on how the vehicle can be crippled and find a way to fix it. So, when you are inside this vehicle, rest assured you are well protected from the usual threats.

The discussion took years and it gave the manufacturer so much inputs on survivability and performance.

But definitely, not all the suggestions can be accommodated due to cost considerations but the basic frame and features have been steadily improved to effect the new suggestions.

This MX8 platform will achieve a lot, but only if the needed support is provided.
Edited by Flipzi, Sat Feb 14, 2015 2:11 am.
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Armored Escort Vehicle

Another Armored Security Vehicle being evaluated by the Army.


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The Turkish Otokar Cobra

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This is the platform the AFP should consider heavily.

- fully armored
- fast
- amphibious
- remote-operated turret
- nigh operations capable

Cobra has been developed by Otokar's research and development team to provide the best solution for the need of the armed forced for wheeled armored vehicles. Cobra attracts interest with its superior maneuvering capability and its high level of ballistic protection as well as its feature of adjustability of the same platform for diverse functions. It provides great facilities in maintenance and service as it is designed on the same framework and infrastructure and it can be manufactured in many models and types. The fact that the infrastructure remains the same even in diverse Cobras manufactured for different realms, which, in turn, saves from maintenance and repair works and spare parts, makes Cobra an armored vehicle preferred by many armies.
Rubber tire-wheeled 4 x 4 Cobra Armored Vehicle capable of carrying 1+8 personnel is manufactured with the following types. Moreover, it has an amphibious version as well.
Export of all armoured vehicles subject to requirements of related governments' export licence regulations
Armored Personnel Carrier Vehicle
Armored NBC Reconnaissance Vehicle
Armored Reconnaissance Vehicle
Armored Command and Control Vehicle
Armored Communication Vehicle
Armored EOD Vehicle
Armored Ambulance
Armored 12,7/40 mm Weapon Platform

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otokar_Cobra

Source: http://www.otokar.com/en/products/


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Video 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWMh2rsqUqg
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The MX-8 Barako is a locally-built armored escort vehicle developed by Steelcraft for the Philippine Army.

The MX-8 Barako armored vehicles were manufactured by Steelcraft Military Land Defense firm based in Balintawak, Quezon City.

The project was the brainchild of a retired Army chief and was developed by the Philippine Research and Development Branch. The MX-8 prototype project started in 2005 and was carried out under the Self Reliant Defense Posture Law. Costing P6 million each, an MX-8 Barako has an armor level equivalent to the military’s Simba armored personnel carrier (APC) and mobility equal to a Humvee with short turning radius.

The “Steelcraft Military Land Defense” agreement allowed 2 units of the MX-8 Barako armored vehicles, each mounted with a .50 caliber machinegun, to be purchased by a provincial government official. The armed vehicle consumes less fuel and is easy to maintain. The Army can buy spare parts from any auto supply store. Tune up and change oil would cost around P2,500, compared to the Simba. The prototype military vehicle would cost only some P6 million, which is more than 80 percent of the price of the British made Simba armored personnel carrier.
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Just "porma"?

a fellow poster said that the MX8 is just "porma" but i said that it's not just porma.

"SGTBILKO", the guy from Steelcraft who was building this vehicle and the forums helped build this by giving inputs.

the forum members tried to break the MX8 at all possible aspects from IED to even RPG attacks.

So, that porma is not just porma. And if you ask me to choose between riding the MX8 and that bank's armored vehicle-looking SEAV, i will prefer the MX8 because i know some of its security features.

LET'S HOPE THE AFP SRDP TEAM WILL NOT WASTE THOSE INFOS. As i have said, 'get the good inputs and reject the rest including the Barako name.
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LET'S HOPE THE AFP SRDP TEAM WILL NOT WASTE THE ARMORED ESCORT VEHICLE PROJECT

This project was eventually replaced with the Security Armored Escort Vehicle (SAEV) project due to some issues such as being considered as a "pet project" of the Army chief and allegedly did not conform to the specs provided by the AFP. With the retirement of this Army chief, the MX8 project was shelved and was replaced by the SAEV project.

In a defense forum, "SGTBILKO", the guy from Steelcraft who was building this vehicle and the other forum members helped build this MX8 by giving inputs. The forum members tried to break the MX8 at all possible aspects from IED to even RPG attacks.

So, that formidable look is not just "porma". And if you ask me to choose between riding the MX8 and that bank's armored vehicle-looking SEAV, i will prefer the MX8 because i know some of its security features.

May junior officers and even PNP troopers have died due to ambush. If only they have this MX8, they could have survived the ambush and even turn the tide against the attackers.

LET'S HOPE THE AFP SRDP TEAM WILL NOT WASTE THOSE INFOS. As i have said, 'get the good inputs and reject the rest including the Barako name' and provide the AFP the needed armored security escort vehicle now.
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btw, the MX8 has this "tire inserts", which allows the MX8 to run even on flat tire

also, the MX can be developed to become an Anti-Aircraft/Anti-Tank vehicle carrying Helfires and other SAMs. it can also be used as a scout car.

The Turkish Otokar Cobra is an amphibious vehicle, by the way. With our MX8 this suits marshy or mangrove areas.

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Interesting post of SgtBilko, the representative from Steelcraft, the maker of MX8. This reply was made by him in Timawa forum;

http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=7205.570

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... i would just like to share my comments on your post in behalf of the manufacturer.

- The Army has no need for it.

Has anybody here actually seen the AEV in action? The prototype in Sulu have survived various ambushes already with zero casualties.
If the army has no need for it, somebody definitely does.

- The Army paid for those prototypes

Yes, even the manufacturer acknowledged this.

- The Army used their own materials on these prototypes

Where did you get this idea? only the armament was supplied to the manufacturer. nothing else.

- Testing wasnt documented

First unit was test by LAD and the second unit was tested by PA-RDC. All properly documented.

- Second prototype was done without Army inputs

Maybe no input from YOUR source. but the manufacturer has photographs of at least 20 officers inspecting the unit as it was
being built. from Mechanics to commanding officers. all of which had their fair share of inputs.

Steelcraft has already conceded defeat in this project. Please check your sources, there are SOME people who would want nothing but to stop this project. maybe out of hatred or of self-interest. Please be fair in your statements.

If the army has no need for it. Fine! but it wasn't due to all the reasons you mentioned.
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Encounter in Sulu between Abu Sayaff and Police forces
undated video / uploaded into Youtube on Feb 5, 2015

- Police-SAF truck was ambushed initially (dead policemen on truck)
- Several ASG teros dead
- One ASG terrorist injured and being treated
- MX-8 'BARAKO' Armored Escort Vehicle seen as armored support

Video;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky3AkfJ5kLI
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Otokas Cobra II

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this is another worthy enhancement for the MX8


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