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Resignation/Explanation Ovybia
Topic Started: Friday Sep 18 2015, 05:30 PM (216 Views)
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Unfortunately, I'm leaving Right to Life so I'll have to resign my position as news director. I hope someone will be able to finish the September newsletter. I think it's mostly complete.

I can tolerate being told I'm "anti-woman", "saboteur", "anti-christian", "judgmental" and "will end up jail" etc. I can tolerate being attacked personally and viciously in the RMB and consequently removed from office within 24 hours of my appointment. I can tolerate COL removing my political campaign interest group. Then, I can tolerate COL removing my campaign topic that I moved to general discussions, despite the fact general discussions says "feel free to discuss any topic." I can tolerate being banned from recruiting on RTL because of my opinions.

What I cannot tolerate is being treated like a troll and being banned from the offsite forum for a day. This indicates our relationship has reached the point of no return. I gave COL a chance to remove the ban and yet he refused. If I stay it'll only get worse from here.

For all I know, COL may even ban me again for something I posted here but I certainly hope he will respect my right to explain the reasons behind my decisions.
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You've been moved from the News Director group to the Former Citizen group.

I've unlocked this thread so that region members have a chance to respond to your resignation if they wish.

Ovybia
Friday Sep 18 2015, 05:30 PM
I gave COL a chance to remove the ban and yet he refused.
This was your main problem in Right to Life. You're not the one who makes threats and gives chances. You hardly made any efforts to persuade others pacifically; instead, you "gave citizens a chance" to change the regional constitution to your liking, actually sued senators, and threatened to sue me at least twice.
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'You hardly made any efforts to persuade others pacifically; instead, you "gave citizens a chance" to change the regional constitution to your liking, actually sued senators, and threatened to sue me at least twice.'
I have a feeling you are just making things up now. Most of this is false. When did I "give the citizens a chance to change the constitution to my liking"? If I didn't like the constitution I wouldn't have become a citizen of RTL in the first place.

Correction: I never sued any senators. (What are you talking about, COL?) I only threatened to sue you once after suppressing my freedom of speech. I think that is totally reasonable. The only other suing I did was when I sued the RTL government after they committed the aforementioned offenses against me (the government i.e. you).

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Saturday Sep 19 2015, 12:54 AM
'You hardly made any efforts to persuade others pacifically; instead, you "gave citizens a chance" to change the regional constitution to your liking, actually sued senators, and threatened to sue me at least twice.'
I have a feeling you are just making things up now. Most of this is false.
You can say that all you want, but it doesn't make it true.

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Saturday Sep 19 2015, 12:54 AM
When did I "give the citizens a chance to change the constitution to my liking"? If I didn't like the constitution I wouldn't have become a citizen of RTL in the first place.
When you moved to Right to Life, you refused to apply for citizenship until the Senate amended the Constitution to your liking. You were so rude at the start that nobody listened to you. You were asking the Senate to purge the citizenship list of moderate pro-lifers (players who make health, rape, incest, or fetal defects exceptions) before you would join. Let me quote a post that Phydios made at the time:
  • Here's something you must understand, Ovybia. You must learn to tolerate and work with people that hold views you disagree with. The pro-life movement is only as big as it is because the radical pro-lifers are willing to ally with the moderate pro-lifers. So we can make a statement that the region promotes the abolition of abortion in all cases, but we cannot become hostile to those who believe intentional abortion is sometimes OK. We can disagree with them, but we cannot shun them. Otherwise, the resulting exodus of members could kill the region.
Then, you moderated your request. The Senate didn't purge moderate pro-lifers as you wished, but it agreed to add a statement to the Constitution clarifying the region's position: "Right to Life, as a community, does not advocate induced abortion in any case." (But it still allows moderate pro-lifers to maintain their own views on the "hard cases.") Subsequently, you applied for citizenship and were accepted.

Ovybia
Saturday Sep 19 2015, 12:54 AM
I never sued any senators. (What are you talking about, COL?) I only threatened to sue you once after suppressing my freedom of speech. I think that is totally reasonable. The only other suing I did was when I sued the RTL government after they committed the aforementioned offenses against me (the government i.e. you).
1. You sued the government (i.e., the Senate) because you were dismissed as Bank Director in a 2-0 vote. I defended the government against your (absurd) attack, but that lawsuit had almost nothing to do with me because I have no control over the appointment and removal of Bank Directors. It's a senatorial duty.

2. You threatened to sue me over my management of regional recruitment.

3. You threatened to sue me because I gave you a one-day forum ban. You opened a thread in the wrong forum, I warned you and told you that we didn't have a forum for those kinds of threads, you challenged my determination, the Justice Court agreed with me, and you chose to open a similar thread anyway in spite of my warning and the Justice of the Peace's decision, so I disciplined you appropriately. I don't regret my decision at all. You're a miscreant. You have no right to violate the forum administration and the regional judiciary. Despite your inflated ego, you're not above the law. I put you in your place, and you quit upon your realization that you're not special.
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I'll be honest your comment was interesting here:
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I also don't like the way most of the elite (I really hate to use that word but it was the best one I could think) of RTL thinks COL is impeccable and everything he does is automatically right. The elite doesn't care if he violates the constitution or the bill of rights because he is a "dictator". (no offense to anyone in particular)


First off my status as "elite" is determined by what exactly? (I assume you lumped me into that imaginary group as it was in a reply to my comment) I have little popular support as demonstrated by the failure of the senate expansion bill I fully endorsed and campaigned for in a sense. I also have no political power as I chose to withdraw from politics as new blood takes over.

Second I love how you assume we are "blindly" following CoL; taking this logic to other extreme are those who support your view blindly following you, and think you are "impeccable?" Is it possible that we thought for ourselves on the issue and simply came to the same conclusions as CoL, or is that impossible as you are always objectively right?

That may sound harsh but it is to highlight an important thing, you seem to believe you are always right and understanding that in life one will and often be wrong is very important to learning and growth. The point of my comment was for you to understand that you have been wrong often here and have never admitted it and I think that also led to a lot of issues for you here and I'm sorry for that. I think being more humble would've helped you a lot and actually carried you farther with your views.

Also, again by my understanding CoL never did violate any of those things and rather enforced a court ruling.

But the time for these arguments has passed, it was a pleasure being in the region with you and I wish you had left on a better note.
Edited by aawia, Saturday Sep 19 2015, 04:08 PM.
I apologize for my lack of punctuation and poor spelling/writing in general it's bad, I'll get there someday :P

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Saturday Sep 19 2015, 02:27 PM
You can say that all you want, but it doesn't make it true.
Likewise to you COL.

Whether or not what I did was "legal" (according to COL) is irrelevant. The point is that I was right. I was dismissed by the senate only 24 hours after being appointed for no real reason and they didn't even tell me they were going to remove me. I had a total moral right as well as a "legal" right to sue.

I only sued once in my entire stay in right to life. End of story. Despite all the rude things people said about me (I have to give Aawia credit because he never attacked me personally.)

COL, you called me a saboteur. You even had a nice "dictionary definition" that "proved" I was a "saboteur". And the reason I was a "saboteur" is because I was recruiting members for RTL (and successfully, by the way).

Phydios told me that "I would end up in jail." And yet I tolerated all of those remarks. I didn't like them and yet I tolerated them. Intolerant am I? It's interesting how that word only applies to politically incorrect people.

I really have to laugh when people start using the argument "you're not perfect." I would like to remind you, Aawia that the same thing applies to yourself so maybe your argument is wrong since you're not perfect.

Aawia, I don't think I called you an elite. I don't want to specifically name any person as an elite.

I am proud of everything I stood for. I am proud that I didn't become a citizen until all unborn children were protected by "Right to Life". COL, do you really hold oaths so leisurely as to promise to one you disagree with. Personally, I could never do take an oath unless I totally was willing to accept it and therefore I could never become a citizen until all unborn children were protected by Right to Life and I'm proud of that.

"Moderate pro-lifers" are not pro-life at all. One either is pro-life or he isn't, there isn't any in between. If I advocated for most of the Nazi concentration camps to end (all of them except the ones who had Jews over 80 years old), I would not be "moderately pro-life", I would be pro-death. Just because someone advocates more murder than someone else doesn't make the man who advocates less murder any more pro-life.
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In my book, the only reasons someone should be banned is if he is acting maliciously.
So, I either was acting maliciously, in which case COL is calling me a liar. Hence, I had reason to leave RTL.
Or I wasn't acting maliciously, in which case COL had no right to ban me. Hence, I had reason to leave RTL.

I like how people are pulling things out of a basket from some time ago hoping that a bunch of controversial things add up to a bad thing.

But the final stepping stone for me, was how rude COL was when he banned and this is the blind following I'm talking about. COL put a smiley face after banning me and said "congratulations."

And yet name me one person who stood up against that and demanded COL apologize to me. No one.

I do want to apologize for the times when I was overly angry. That was my fault and I'm sorry. But blaming it entirely on me is wrong, the others involved in the argument were just as overly angry and mad as I was.

Anyway, I'm sorry I had to get into all that again. I was really hoping my departure could be more friendly but I still respect all of you (including COL) and I thank you all for being pro-life and standing up to this brutal cold-blooded murder called abortion.
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Your problems, Ovybia, all boiled down to two things.

1. You are more concerned with name-calling than cooperation. If you think someone's views are wrong, you resort to personal attacks. You have no interest in working together for the common good, and seem to have accepted the two huge lies listed by Phil Robertson, and Rick Warren before him.
2. You believe that no one (on the Internet, at least) has the right to tell you what to do. You're wrong. There are authority figures on the Internet, just like in real life.
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Saturday Sep 19 2015, 06:54 PM
Whether or not what I did was "legal" (according to COL) is irrelevant. The point is that I was right.
I doubt you'll find many regions that are so cavalier about legality. This defense did not stand up in Right to Life when the executive and judiciary said the opposite, and it would never stand up in the real world. Your "righteousness," furthermore, was over the most routine issues of regional administration.

Ovybia
Saturday Sep 19 2015, 06:54 PM
COL, do you really hold oaths so leisurely as to promise to one you disagree with. Personally, I could never do take an oath unless I totally was willing to accept it.
In the oath you protested, there was nothing unacceptable to you. The oath asks a person to pledge that he is opposed to abortion in "all or most cases." Are you opposed to abortion in all or most cases? Yes.

Ovybia
Saturday Sep 19 2015, 06:54 PM
"Moderate pro-lifers" are not pro-life at all. One either is pro-life or he isn't, there isn't any in between. If I advocated for most of the Nazi concentration camps to end (all of them except the ones who had Jews over 80 years old), I would not be "moderately pro-life", I would be pro-death. Just because someone advocates more murder than someone else doesn't make the man who advocates less murder any more pro-life.
There's no need for me to give a lengthy argument against your stance yet again. You've obviously ignored my past posts. In short, your position [wiki]begs the question[/wiki]. It assumes that abortion in the "hard cases" is murder for the sake of "proving" that moderate pro-lifers are pro-death, which is not their view.

Reread your argument while thinking about the issue of capital punishment:

"If I advocated for most of the Nazi concentration camps to end (all of them except the ones who had Jews over 80 years old), I would not be 'moderately pro-life,' I would be pro-death. Just because someone advocates more murder than someone else doesn't make the man who advocates less murder any more pro-life."

Then, think about the fallacy that you've committed. It presupposes that the death penalty is a form of murder.
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I understand it is not "their view" but their view makes no difference. It either is murder or it isn't. Fact is fact. There view will not change the murder of these innocent children. They are pro-death in the same way those who hold their view is to murder some Jews but not all.[/u]
Edited by Ovybia, Sunday Sep 20 2015, 08:57 PM.
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