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[VOTE 18-2] Subversive Organizations; Passed 3 to 0 on May 21, 2017
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Topic Started: Friday Mar 24 2017, 03:09 PM (93 Views)
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United Massachusetts
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Friday Mar 24 2017, 03:09 PM
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Archbishop Óscar Romero
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Each member of the Senate shall declare one of the following: Yea, Nay, or Present.
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LAW 12 - SUBVERSIVE ORGANIZATIONS Enacted Month Day, 2017SECTION 1. A subversive organization shall be defined as a region, alliance, or group promoting the overthrow of the Right to Life government. The following shall be considered a subversive organization in Right to Life: - The Red Fleet
Except as provided in this law, no person, merely for holding membership in a subversive organization, shall be denied or deprived of his regional citizenship or his rights under regional law. SECTION 2. The government of Right to Life officially expresses its condemnation of all persons who hold positions of leadership in a subversive organization, exempting those persons who either publicly renounce their organization's desire to overthrow the legitimate governing authorities of Right to Life or those unaware of these intentions. SECTION 3. No citizen, having been made aware of this law, shall maintain membership in a subversive organization for more than three days, unless he publicly or privately notifies the Supreme Commander of the Army of said membership and receives said Commander's explicit, written permission. SECTION 4. In applications for governmental employment and in declarations of candidacy to be the President or a senator, the regional government may ask citizens the following question: - If you are a member, have ever been a member, or ever become a member of a subversive organization, as determined by the regional code of laws, have you notified or will you immediately notify the Supreme Commander of the Army of said membership?
Any citizen who answers in the negative shall be denied governmental employment for the particular application or the right to be a candidate in the particular election in which he is attempting to run. Membership in a subversive organization, as not equivalent to endorsing the actions of the region, is never to be considered sufficient cause to deny a citizen an application or the right to be a candidate in an election. SECTION 5. Any person who violates Section 3 or who falsely answers Subsection 4(a) shall have his citizenship temporarily suspended. Then, he shall be tried in regional court and, if determined to be guilty, shall be deprived of citizenship. If determined not guilty, citizenship shall be restored. SECTION 6. In the NationStates Security Council, any citizen or group of citizens that authors or coauthors either a resolution to condemn the home region of a subversive organization or a resolution to repeal the commendation of the home region of a subversive organization shall be awarded ₤120, to be paid by the Bank of Right to Life and to be divided evenly among them. SECTION 7. No action that the government of Right to Life takes against a subversive organization shall be construed as disapproval of the allies of that organization. Allies shall be held blameless. SECTION 8. The Minister of Foreign Affairs or their designee shall alert all regions in Pro-Life International or with forum embassies in Right to Life of new additions or subtractions from the list of subversive organizations, as well as the reasons for this. Furthermore, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs shall be responsible for informing any publicly pro-life members of subversive organizations of the threat the group poses to Right to Life's government. The Minister of Internal Affairs, in cooperation with the Global Moderator, shall be responsible for informing all Right to Life citizens of the actions of subversive regions. SECTION 9. The Justice Court of Right to Life may, after trial, remove a group from the list of subversive organizations, as may the Senate by a majority vote. A supermajority vote is required to add a organization to the list. In times in which the security of the region is in grave jeopardy, the Founder may adjust the list of subversive regions by Decree, thereby surpassing the Senate.
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United Massachusetts Former Foreign Minister and Senator, Current Director of News Proud Member of the Liberals for Life Coalition A Believer in the Consistent Life Ethic But Most Importantly, A Catholic Christian We are still stronger together
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. -Dwight Eisenhower
The greatest destroyer of peace is abortion because if a mother can kill her own child, what is left for me to kill you and you to kill me? There is nothing between. -Mother Theresa
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United Massachusetts
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Friday Mar 24 2017, 03:10 PM
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Archbishop Óscar Romero
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Yea
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United Massachusetts Former Foreign Minister and Senator, Current Director of News Proud Member of the Liberals for Life Coalition A Believer in the Consistent Life Ethic But Most Importantly, A Catholic Christian We are still stronger together
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. -Dwight Eisenhower
The greatest destroyer of peace is abortion because if a mother can kill her own child, what is left for me to kill you and you to kill me? There is nothing between. -Mother Theresa
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New Missouri
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Friday Mar 24 2017, 06:43 PM
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The United Empire of New Missouri
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Yea
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Roman Catholic Federation
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Sunday Mar 26 2017, 01:42 PM
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Ngô Đình Diệm
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Yea
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Culture of Life
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Sunday May 21 2017, 02:09 AM
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William F. Buckley
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The Subversive Organizations Act has passed 3-0, and I hereby sign it into law:
http://w11.zetaboards.com/NS_Right_to_Life/topic/30247937/1/
It has also been indexed here:
http://w11.zetaboards.com/NS_Right_to_Life/topic/11346922/1/
That said, I do hope that the next Senate considers making a few changes to the law:
Spoiler: click to toggle LAW 12 - SUBVERSIVE ORGANIZATIONS Enacted May 21, 2017SECTION 1. A subversive organization shall be defined as a region, alliance, or group promoting the overthrow of the Right to Life government. The following shall be considered a subversive organization in Right to Life: - [region]The Red Fleet[/region]
Except as provided in this law, no person, merely for holding membership in a subversive organization, shall be denied or deprived of his regional citizenship or his rights under regional law. SECTION 2. The government of Right to Life officially expresses its condemnation of all persons who hold positions of leadership in a subversive organization, exempting those persons who either publicly renounce their organization's desire to overthrow the legitimate governing authorities of Right to Life or those are unaware of these intentions. SECTION 3. No citizen, having been made aware of this law, shall maintain membership in a subversive organization for more than three days, unless he publicly or privately notifies the Supreme Commander of the Army of said membership and receives said Commander's explicit, written permission. SECTION 4. In applications for governmental employment and in declarations of candidacy to be the President or a senator, the regional government may ask citizens the following question: - If you are a member, have ever been a member, or ever become a member of a subversive organization, as determined by the regional code of laws, have you notified or will you immediately notify the Supreme Commander of the Army of said membership?
Any citizen who answers in the negative shall be denied governmental employment for the particular application or the right to be a candidate in the particular election in which he is attempting to run. Membership in a subversive organization, as not equivalent to endorsing the actions of the region, is never to be considered sufficient cause to deny a citizen an application or the right to be a candidate in an election. SECTION 5. Any person who violates Section 3 or who falsely answers Subsection 4(a) shall have his citizenship temporarily suspended. Then, he shall be tried in regional court and, if determined to be guilty, shall be deprived of citizenship. If determined not guilty, citizenship shall be restored. SECTION 6. In the NationStates Security Council, any citizen or group of citizens that authors or coauthors either a resolution to condemn the home region of a subversive organization or a resolution to repeal the commendation of the home region of a subversive organization shall be awarded ₤120, to be paid by the Bank of Right to Life and to be divided evenly among them. SECTION 7. No action that the government of Right to Life takes against a subversive organization shall be construed as disapproval of the allies of that organization. Allies shall be held blameless. SECTION 8. The Minister of Foreign Affairs or their designee shall alert all regions in Pro-Life International or with forum embassies in Right to Life of new additions or subtractions from the list of subversive organizations, as well as the reasons for this. Furthermore, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs shall be responsible for informing any publicly pro-life members of subversive organizations of the threat the group poses to Right to Life's government. The Minister of Internal Affairs, in cooperation with the Global Moderator, shall be responsible for informing all Right to Life citizens of the actions of subversive regions.[I think this section could be replaced with a much simpler requirement: a mandate on the Regional News Bureau to announce all additions and removals in the regional newsletter.]SECTION 9. The Justice Court of Right to Life may, after trial, remove a group from the list of subversive organizations, as may the Senate by a majority vote. A supermajority vote is required to add a n organization to the list. In times in which the security of the region is in grave jeopardy, the Founder may adjust the list of subversive regions organizations by Decree, thereby surpassing the Senate. [I'm not sure that the Justice Court should have this authority. How is the Justice of the Peace more qualified than the Senate and Founder to determine whether "a region, alliance, or group [is] promoting the overthrow of the Right to Life government"?]
[It might be a good idea to remove this section entirely. Apparently, the Senate may add subversive organizations on its own; and the Founder may add subversive organizations on his own. Can't we just rely on the ordinary legislative process: the Senate and Founder working in concert?] Also, I see that the flag ban that I proposed in private was rejected.* Therefore, it is currently legal in Right to Life to fly the flag of a subversive organization with the intent to promote that organization.
 Flag of the Red Fleet
* SECTION X. In Right to Life, it shall be illegal to fly the flag of a subversive organization with the intent to promote that organization, unless the person receives special permission from the President.
- On the regional forums, the first violation of this section shall result in a warning and the deletion of one's forum avatar. Subsequent violations shall result in the deletion of one's forum avatar and in temporary forum bans of increasing length.
- On NationStates, the first violation of this section shall result in a warning. Subsequent violations shall result in the suppression of one's regional message board posts regardless of their content.
This section does not apply to non-citizens who are posting on the regional message board through embassies; and it does not apply to the forums of Pro-Life International, hosted by Right to Life.
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The Christian Democratic Nation of Culture of Life ------------------------------------------- Pope Saint John Paul II
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United Massachusetts
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Sunday May 21 2017, 08:29 AM
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Archbishop Óscar Romero
- Posts:
- 1,105
- Group:
- Right to Life Army
- Member
- #225
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- United States
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- United Massachusetts
- Party Affiliation:
- Liberals for Life Coalition
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- Culture of Life
- Sunday May 21 2017, 02:09 AM
The Subversive Organizations Act has passed 3-0, and I hereby sign it into law: http://w11.zetaboards.com/NS_Right_to_Life/topic/30247937/1/It has also been indexed here: http://w11.zetaboards.com/NS_Right_to_Life/topic/11346922/1/That said, I do hope that the next Senate considers making a few changes to the law: Spoiler: click to toggle LAW 12 - SUBVERSIVE ORGANIZATIONS Enacted May 21, 2017SECTION 1. A subversive organization shall be defined as a region, alliance, or group promoting the overthrow of the Right to Life government. The following shall be considered a subversive organization in Right to Life: - [region]The Red Fleet[/region]
Except as provided in this law, no person, merely for holding membership in a subversive organization, shall be denied or deprived of his regional citizenship or his rights under regional law. SECTION 2. The government of Right to Life officially expresses its condemnation of all persons who hold positions of leadership in a subversive organization, exempting those persons who either publicly renounce their organization's desire to overthrow the legitimate governing authorities of Right to Life or those are unaware of these intentions. SECTION 3. No citizen, having been made aware of this law, shall maintain membership in a subversive organization for more than three days, unless he publicly or privately notifies the Supreme Commander of the Army of said membership and receives said Commander's explicit, written permission. SECTION 4. In applications for governmental employment and in declarations of candidacy to be the President or a senator, the regional government may ask citizens the following question: - If you are a member, have ever been a member, or ever become a member of a subversive organization, as determined by the regional code of laws, have you notified or will you immediately notify the Supreme Commander of the Army of said membership?
Any citizen who answers in the negative shall be denied governmental employment for the particular application or the right to be a candidate in the particular election in which he is attempting to run. Membership in a subversive organization, as not equivalent to endorsing the actions of the region, is never to be considered sufficient cause to deny a citizen an application or the right to be a candidate in an election. SECTION 5. Any person who violates Section 3 or who falsely answers Subsection 4(a) shall have his citizenship temporarily suspended. Then, he shall be tried in regional court and, if determined to be guilty, shall be deprived of citizenship. If determined not guilty, citizenship shall be restored. SECTION 6. In the NationStates Security Council, any citizen or group of citizens that authors or coauthors either a resolution to condemn the home region of a subversive organization or a resolution to repeal the commendation of the home region of a subversive organization shall be awarded ₤120, to be paid by the Bank of Right to Life and to be divided evenly among them. SECTION 7. No action that the government of Right to Life takes against a subversive organization shall be construed as disapproval of the allies of that organization. Allies shall be held blameless. SECTION 8. The Minister of Foreign Affairs or their designee shall alert all regions in Pro-Life International or with forum embassies in Right to Life of new additions or subtractions from the list of subversive organizations, as well as the reasons for this. Furthermore, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs shall be responsible for informing any publicly pro-life members of subversive organizations of the threat the group poses to Right to Life's government. The Minister of Internal Affairs, in cooperation with the Global Moderator, shall be responsible for informing all Right to Life citizens of the actions of subversive regions.[I think this section could be replaced with a much simpler requirement: a mandate on the Regional News Bureau to announce all additions and removals in the regional newsletter.]SECTION 9. The Justice Court of Right to Life may, after trial, remove a group from the list of subversive organizations, as may the Senate by a majority vote. A supermajority vote is required to add a n organization to the list. In times in which the security of the region is in grave jeopardy, the Founder may adjust the list of subversive regions organizations by Decree, thereby surpassing the Senate. [I'm not sure that the Justice Court should have this authority. How is the Justice of the Peace more qualified than the Senate and Founder to determine whether "a region, alliance, or group [is] promoting the overthrow of the Right to Life government"?]
[It might be a good idea to remove this section entirely. Apparently, the Senate may add subversive organizations on its own; and the Founder may add subversive organizations on his own. Can't we just rely on the ordinary legislative process: the Senate and Founder working in concert?] Also, I see that the flag ban that I proposed in private was rejected.* Therefore, it is currently legal in Right to Life to fly the flag of a subversive organization with the intent to promote that organization.  Flag of the Red Fleet * SECTION X. In Right to Life, it shall be illegal to fly the flag of a subversive organization with the intent to promote that organization, unless the person receives special permission from the President.
- On the regional forums, the first violation of this section shall result in a warning and the deletion of one's forum avatar. Subsequent violations shall result in the deletion of one's forum avatar and in temporary forum bans of increasing length.
- On NationStates, the first violation of this section shall result in a warning. Subsequent violations shall result in the suppression of one's regional message board posts regardless of their content.
This section does not apply to non-citizens who are posting on the regional message board through embassies; and it does not apply to the forums of Pro-Life International, hosted by Right to Life. Sorry, Culture of Life. I refuse to mimic 1910s Red Scare California. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stromberg_v._California
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United Massachusetts Former Foreign Minister and Senator, Current Director of News Proud Member of the Liberals for Life Coalition A Believer in the Consistent Life Ethic But Most Importantly, A Catholic Christian We are still stronger together
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. -Dwight Eisenhower
The greatest destroyer of peace is abortion because if a mother can kill her own child, what is left for me to kill you and you to kill me? There is nothing between. -Mother Theresa
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Culture of Life
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Sunday May 21 2017, 08:56 PM
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William F. Buckley
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- United Massachusetts
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- Culture of Life
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Also, I see that the flag ban that I proposed in private was rejected.* Therefore, it is currently legal in Right to Life to fly the flag of a subversive organization with the intent to promote that organization.  Flag of the Red Fleet * SECTION X. In Right to Life, it shall be illegal to fly the flag of a subversive organization with the intent to promote that organization, unless the person receives special permission from the President.
- On the regional forums, the first violation of this section shall result in a warning and the deletion of one's forum avatar. Subsequent violations shall result in the deletion of one's forum avatar and in temporary forum bans of increasing length.
- On NationStates, the first violation of this section shall result in a warning. Subsequent violations shall result in the suppression of one's regional message board posts regardless of their content.
This section does not apply to non-citizens who are posting on the regional message board through embassies; and it does not apply to the forums of Pro-Life International, hosted by Right to Life.
Sorry, Culture of Life. I refuse to mimic 1910s Red Scare California. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stromberg_v._California In Stromberg v. California (1931), the U.S. Supreme Court struck down California's ban on red flags because it found that the ban was "so vague and indefinite" that it could be "'construed to include peaceful and orderly opposition to government.'"
The language above would make it "illegal to fly the flag of a subversive organization with the intent to promote that organization," and "subversive organization" is defined as "a region, alliance, or group promoting the overthrow of the Right to Life government."
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The Christian Democratic Nation of Culture of Life ------------------------------------------- Pope Saint John Paul II
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United Massachusetts
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Thursday May 25 2017, 07:42 PM
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Archbishop Óscar Romero
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- Culture of Life
- Sunday May 21 2017, 08:56 PM
- United Massachusetts
- Sunday May 21 2017, 08:29 AM
- Culture of Life
- Sunday May 21 2017, 02:09 AM
Also, I see that the flag ban that I proposed in private was rejected.* Therefore, it is currently legal in Right to Life to fly the flag of a subversive organization with the intent to promote that organization.  Flag of the Red Fleet * SECTION X. In Right to Life, it shall be illegal to fly the flag of a subversive organization with the intent to promote that organization, unless the person receives special permission from the President.
- On the regional forums, the first violation of this section shall result in a warning and the deletion of one's forum avatar. Subsequent violations shall result in the deletion of one's forum avatar and in temporary forum bans of increasing length.
- On NationStates, the first violation of this section shall result in a warning. Subsequent violations shall result in the suppression of one's regional message board posts regardless of their content.
This section does not apply to non-citizens who are posting on the regional message board through embassies; and it does not apply to the forums of Pro-Life International, hosted by Right to Life.
Sorry, Culture of Life. I refuse to mimic 1910s Red Scare California. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stromberg_v._California
In Stromberg v. California (1931), the U.S. Supreme Court struck down California's ban on red flags because it found that the ban was "so vague and indefinite" that it could be "'construed to include peaceful and orderly opposition to government.'" The language above would make it "illegal to fly the flag of a subversive organization with the intent to promote that organization," and "subversive organization" is defined as "a region, alliance, or group promoting the overthrow of the Right to Life government." The intent of flying TRF's flag is incredibly hard to decipher. In fact, I don't know if we can ever truly speak of someone's intent in such a manner with certainty. This could just as easily be used to promote "peaceful and orderly opposition." For example, communist governments worldwide advocate the overthrow of the United States government. Having said this, it is not illegal to fly the flag of communism: a hammer and sickle, as some do so for peaceful causes. I could see someone doing the same with a flag of TRF, which is effectively the NS-wide banner for communism
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United Massachusetts Former Foreign Minister and Senator, Current Director of News Proud Member of the Liberals for Life Coalition A Believer in the Consistent Life Ethic But Most Importantly, A Catholic Christian We are still stronger together
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. -Dwight Eisenhower
The greatest destroyer of peace is abortion because if a mother can kill her own child, what is left for me to kill you and you to kill me? There is nothing between. -Mother Theresa
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