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| The Draft - June 4th. Who Will Mets Select? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 25 2018, 02:49 AM (554 Views) | |
| Tolerance | May 25 2018, 02:49 AM Post #1 |
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Mets pick 6th. Unlike most seasons, I have no clear preference other than selecting position player - Third Base, Catcher, Outfield. The last two drafts, Met chose pitchers with first selection. Hope that's not the case again. We need impact multi-tooled position players. Georgia Tech Catcher Joey Bart, and Wichita State 3rd Baseman Alec Bohm, stand out as physical specimens who may be off the board before Mets select. Bart is big, strong and quick, and could be the next great 2-way college drafted catcher - Ranked 6th by MLB Pipeline https://www.mlb.com/video/2018-draft-joey-bart-c/c-1868827883?tid=262722544 Bohm, 6'5" 240 reminds me of Aaron Judge. Great power, imposing presence, long strides. Ranked 7th. https://www.mlb.com/video/2018-draft-alec-bohm-3b/c-1868832683?tid=262722544 Mets have been linked to all around third baseman Jonathon India who has above average tools on both sides of the ball. His swing reminds me of Peter Alonso's. 6'1". 185. Ranked 8th. https://www.mlb.com/video/2018-draft-india-3b/c-1974572483?tid=262722544 Normally I prefer college players for quicker trek to majors, but I really like high school third base prospect Nolan Gorman, love the bat speed, whip like follow through, build and power reportedly as good as anyone in the draft. Power 70/80. He's 6'1", 210. Ranked 12th. His swing and associated athleticism appeals most to me - just love it. https://www.mlb.com/video/2018-draft-nolan-gorman-3b/c-1868819283?tid=262722544 Another highly ranked position player at #3 - Nick Madrigal of Oregon State- is just 5'7" 160, but has the appeal of Jose Altuve. Speed, defense, hitting, and baseball instincts. https://www.mlb.com/video/top-100-draft-prospects-unveiled/c-1979284783?tid=262722544 I have a feeling he may drop in rank and get selected lower than anticipated. If so, could still be on the board at #6. With one exception. there isn't a college outfield bat in the Top 25. South Alabama's Travis Swaggerty, 5'11" 180 is ranked 11th, but doesn't interest me for #6 pick. https://www.mlb.com/video/2018-draft-travis-swaggerty-of/c-1868827483?tid=262722544 Edited by Tolerance, May 25 2018, 02:55 AM.
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| TuffleShuffle | May 25 2018, 12:47 PM Post #2 |
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They need talent everywhere. Whoever they select won't help for a few years anyway and who knows what develops until then. Take the best player available, don't reach for a current need. |
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| Tolerance | May 25 2018, 09:18 PM Post #3 |
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A lot of people agree go for best player - but I disagree with that approach for the Mets especially this year's MLB draft lacking clear distinction/separation between position player options in the Top 5 and 6-10. I believe Mets have to consider both short and long term needs in first round. If short term need, opt for college bat. If long term, opt for speedy, strong defensive, good hitting high school outfielder or Nolan Gordon. The Mets minors are basically devoid of high ceiling outfield prospects which they must absolutely address. I think the strategy of choosing the best available player really depends upon franchise circumstances which differs for each team. Good college position players can reach the majors in two seasons which, IMO - weighed with need in mind- is not long enough to kick the can down the road for the best available selection which may not fill a glaring void even if the best player remaining. Edited by Tolerance, May 25 2018, 09:26 PM.
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| Lucky | May 26 2018, 11:51 AM Post #4 |
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Earlier many draft gurus had the Mets taking Catcher Joey Bart. It appears since, he has moved up into the top five. I agree with Tuf. We need help everywhere if we are to upgrade the talent in the system. That said,starting pitching now appears to be a significant sore spot throughout. I wouldn't be surprised if we took another shot drafting and signing the kid LHP Shane McClanahan if he slides.
Edited by Lucky, May 26 2018, 12:22 PM.
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| Tolerance | May 26 2018, 12:28 PM Post #5 |
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He has really good arm but missed last season to TJ surgery and is very wild. MLB Pipeline ranks him 14th. Time for Mets to think outside the box. For instance, if still available at 6th, draft the all around athletic Jonathon India to develop at third, second and outfield. They can later narrow that to whichever position he's most needed. |
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| Lucky | May 26 2018, 01:16 PM Post #6 |
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I've seen at least one draft expert connecting India with Queens. Heck! He needs to look at a map!
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| Tolerance | May 27 2018, 01:50 PM Post #7 |
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He has indeed been connected to Queens but I've also read India's moved up the charts of another team who picks before Mets. At #6 however, it's unlikely that every Mets desired position player first pick would be selected by the 5 teams ahead. Someone will select pitching including the projected first pick Mize. If at least one more team opts for pitching, one of India, Bart, Bohm, Madrigal would be available. From team standpoint of making quick big league impact, i.e, 2020 call up, one of these 4 position players makes sense. But for me, on purely baseball perspective, I would be thrilled with 18 y.o. 3rd baseman Nolan Gorman. I really, really love the bat speed, swing and build and see no reason he couldn't learn a new position if needed for good of the team. Look at this swing, Lucky - it's beautiful and some say it's a 70/80 power bat, perhaps the most raw power in the 2018 draft class. https://www.mlb.com/video/2018-draft-nolan-gorman-3b/c-1868819283?tid=262722544 It's also my belief that initial foot speed rating can improve by at least a factor of 10. So if drafted at 40, it can increase to 50 or more such as we saw with Conforto. Gorman's listed at 40. Actually, I'm looking at his Perfect Game scouting profile and he's listed as Premium Level SS. He also plays 3rd and 2nd. 2017 National Showcase Jun 16, 2017 PG Grade: 10 "Nolan Gorman is a 2018 SS/3B/2B with a 6-1 210 lb. frame from Glendale, AZ who attends Sandra Day O'Connor HS. Strong athletic build, pretty mature physically. 7.12 runner, has smooth footwork in the infield and plays relaxed and confidently on defense, has soft hands and gathers the ball well, very under control and clean in his actions, throws have plenty of carry. Solid at shortstop at present, have also seen at third and he has plus defensive potential there. Left handed hitter, low hand load, very quick and strong hands, has an uphill path and big power present and future, has been one of the top hitters in the 2018 class for some time. Verbal commitment to Arizona. Selected for the 2017 Perfect Game All-American Classic." https://www.perfectgame.org/Players/PlayerProfile.aspx?ID=378823 https://www.perfectgame.org/Players/PlayerProfile_Videos.aspx?ID=378823 Perhaps he'll be quick riser once drafted. I'm hopeful with Minaya back in the fold, he recognizes this kid's talent and has influence in who Mets ultimately pick. Edited by Tolerance, May 27 2018, 02:04 PM.
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| Lucky | May 27 2018, 05:05 PM Post #8 |
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Not a mention of the Organization's most significant weakness,Tol? Pitching,pitching and more pitching is the greatest need to inject throughout the system here! While I'm an advocate of choosing the best player available in any draft, if a pitcher is there for the taking with a grade close to the position player, given our need, I'd prefer going in that direction thus strengthening the pitching here. With the exception of David Peterson and perhaps a couple of kids recovering from TJ surgery there doesn't appear to be anything special in our system. Much has been made of Justin Dunn and Anthony Kay(yet another TJ victim)but they have not displayed any dominance whatsoever thus far in their prof careers. Pitching still ultimately wins in Baseball. Over time you cannot consistently depend on overtaking the opposition by way of the slugfest. Even the best offense only succeeds 30-35% of the time. |
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| joedabum | May 27 2018, 07:33 PM Post #9 |
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I know this sounds rash, and it is, but I'd trade Rosario (in a package) for one really good player (name your position, there are so many options), and I'd put Guillorme at SS. I have watched Rosario, and I don't like the hitch he has: after he catches the ball, (I can't say always), he'll transfer it to his throwing hand, tap it into the glove, and then throw. I don't like that. I don't know why that wasn't trained out of him before he got to the majors. For all the hype, I'm wondering if he's just not the wonder that we think he is, and I wonder if Guillorme might not be better suited. Rosario has shown pop, and he's a free swinger, but his discipline as improved, so I think another club would see all these as major pluses. I think, in the right package, he could bring something pretty good back. Of course, I'm saying all this in the wake of losing 3 of 4 to the BrewCrew, giving up leads, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, etc. So, when you feel like this, better to do nothing, because right now I'd like to take the team apart and start all over again. Then, if you really want to have the fantasy league team, it goes like this: Alonso 1b Cabrera 2b Guillorme SS Frazier 3b Evans 3b of the future? Bautista/Cespedes Conforto Nimmo Maybe put Bruce in the trade with Rosario, although I think Tol made a comment that trading Bruce isn't an option. Oh, well, just some thoughts before the next whistle stop (Atlanta). Wonder who the heck is pitching game 2 tomorrow. Maybe mother nature takes over, it rains, and it's all washed away. Edited by joedabum, May 27 2018, 07:38 PM.
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| Lucky | May 27 2018, 08:03 PM Post #10 |
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Though I'd be hesitant to make Rosario available I also have been disappointed with his overall defense. His arm isn't all that impressive and his reaction time off the sound of the bat is abit slow. That has compromised his natural quickness and range. His bat speed gives me hope for the future but his approach and impatience needs plenty of work. I am concerned with his struggle to make contact with a fastball between the belt and the letters however. Amed at this point of his career is a one zone low ball hitter. Luis Guillorme is in Iglesias territory defensively and probably is significantly better defensively than Rosario currently but surprisingly has not been the contact hitter I expected him to be at the MLB level thus far. All this being said I sense Amed possesses the proverbial 'IT' factor. So its a good bet he'll figure it out. Considering the enormous growth factor and ceiling yet to be realized it would be wise to see it thru and see what we have. Edited by Lucky, May 27 2018, 08:04 PM.
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| Tolerance | May 27 2018, 09:06 PM Post #11 |
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Pitching matters - I don't dispute that, but Mets have emphasized pitching in the two most recent drafts. 2016: 23 out of 41 selections https://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/?team_ID=NYM&year_ID=2016&query_type=franch_year&from_type_jc=0&from_type_hs=0&from_type_4y=0&from_type_unk=0 2017: 27 out of 40 https://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/?team_ID=NYM&year_ID=2017&draft_type=junreg&query_type=franch_year While the 2016 and 2017 pitching selections work their way up - and TJ surgery prospects return to the mound - Szapucki, Kay, Humphreys - IMO, time now to focus on multi-tooled position players in this draft and then opt to obtain starting pitching through trades and free agency. Provided the Mets continue to struggle, Familia and Cabrera should bring back good returns in July. Both are free agents after this season. Adrian Gonzalez could probably net a minor league relief pitcher in August. Flores and Wheeler will be free agents after 2019. Can try to trade them this offseason or perhaps sooner. A healthy TJ Rivera is good replacement for Flores. Lugo can replace Wheeler in the rotation. Leaving one or two open spots plus developing good starting depth in AAA which could come from good trades this July and offseason. Mets can then emphasize pitching acquisitions this offseason and perhaps one big bat such as Machado and one moderate one. It will take years for any premium pitchers drafted in 2018 to reach the majors. That's how Mets operate with these pitching draft picks. They either get hurt or move rather slowly through the system. Edited by Tolerance, May 27 2018, 09:12 PM.
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| Tolerance | May 27 2018, 09:51 PM Post #12 |
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Don't forget Rosario has tremendous foot speed on a team lacking good wheels. That's an ability we can ill afford to lose especially as his OBP and base stealing skills increase. Mets haven't been developing minor league position player talent well for some time. Rosario is among the talented players Mets poorly developed and we see that at the major league level like you mentioned. But this season Mets are doing better job developing through some changes they made this past offseason. Peter Alonso and Jeff McNeil really stand out having big seasons. McNeil could end up being in-house second or third base option should power become permanent part of his game. High OBP, B.A. and low K's has been his calling card since drafted - but this season, he's slugging the heck out of the ball. He's been injury prone but this season is healthy. I'm keeping eye on first base prospect, left hand hitting 21 y.o Jeremy Vasquez, good hitter - a smart hitter with nice swing. In Columbia now, probably finishes in St. Lucie this season, and then begins next in AA. he got my attention last season for a professional plate approach and smooth swing at Brooklyn. https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=vasque002jer I think PJ Conlon is starting Game 2 tomorrow. Edited by Tolerance, May 27 2018, 09:52 PM.
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| joedabum | May 28 2018, 10:11 AM Post #13 |
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To your point about Flores being a free agent at the end of 2019, during yesterday's game, the Mets announcers were completely miffed as to why he had been pulled from the game. Cohen did wonder if he had suffered some kind of injury that led to his erratic throws to first, but he didn't think there was any obvious injury. When I heard all this, I seriously wondered if Flores had been part of a package that had been traded. But of course, that's too proactive for the Mets. As you've said, they'll play out the string until the end of July, then trade their chips. |
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| Tolerance | Jun 3 2018, 04:32 PM Post #14 |
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Draft day is tomorrow. The most recent Mock Draft from MLB Pipeline, May 31, still has Mets inclined to select college position player - 3rd baseman Bohm if still available - with H.S. outfield Kelenic or lefty prep pitcher Liberatore in the mix. https://www.mlb.com/news/mock-draft-jonathan-mayo-predicts-1st-round/c-279050910?tid=167757330 They say the Braves (#8) are heavily associated with High School 3rd baseman Nolan Gorman if they choose position player. That's who I have my eye on and has become my top choice. I think it would be mistake to pass him up although I won't be too upset if it's for 3rd base college options India or Bohm. Will be very if for pitcher and especially if Gorman goes to Braves. In my mind, the danger there of another all around hitter, power bat, excellent defense in the potential second coming of Chipper Jones. That the Braves are strongly interested tells you how good he is and confirms my viewpoint. Gorman has all around hitting tools with power potential off the charts and scouting reports tout his defense as gold glove potential. Bohm has big power and big physical presence but not the defense. India is all around above average without a mega carrying tool. Edited by Tolerance, Jun 3 2018, 04:33 PM.
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| TuffleShuffle | Jun 4 2018, 02:40 PM Post #15 |
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I previously said take the best player available, and I would still do that. The decision to be made is do they want a college player who can help with this current group, or will they be looking ahead to the future and take a HS kid, with a rebuild at the MLB level coming soon? I haven't done enough research to have a real opinion on any of the kids but I like what I've read so far on Bohm. The only concern I have is that some think he may be a future 1B due to his defense and body type. But that wouldn't turn me off from taking him if they believe he's the best pick when it's their turn. There's probably no chance (at best) that Joey Bart falls to the Mets, but that'd be an amazing steal if he did. He probably won't get past #2 though. Madrigal and India seem like good prospects as well. |
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