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The Draft - June 4th. Who Will Mets Select?
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Jun 4 2018, 07:44 PM
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https://www.minorleagueball.com/2018/4/24/17273094/2018-mlb-draft-jarred-kelenic-of-waukesha-wisconsin
Another scouting report on Kelenic. Seems a lot of what is being said about the kid is consistent regardless to the source.
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Jun 4 2018, 08:04 PM
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Tol, this is for you since I know you like these kind of stats:
@genymets Jarred Kelenic’s numbers are crazy:
60 Time: 6.55 Outfield Velocity: 96-97 MPH Exit Velocity: 102 MPH
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Jun 4 2018, 09:52 PM
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So Braves select the pitcher who most interested me, Carter Stewart. Nasty stuff. I would rather the Mets picked him than Kelenic.
Kelenic is good prospect but Mets could have - and should have went for bigger fish.
Other than the Padres, the Mets played down. I'd put his ETA at 2021 or 2022. Mets will need stop gap after Cespedes, and Conforto could be heading to free agency by then - eligible after 2021.
Notice how #2 rated Brady Singer has slid and is still sliding. According to most scouts he has all the requisites for success. Though I don't know the slightest thing about the kid I was hoping the Mets would have plucked him at #6. Evidently Alderson and his minion didn't prioritize an older College athlete. Kelenic, 18 years of age, is yet another LH hitting outfielder albeit with a lot to like. If he chooses the Mets system over his commitment to Louisville, in all probability we're looking(hopefully I'll be able to see it) 4 or 5 years down the road. The way Conforto is performing there may be a position waiting for him.
I don't like Singer's arm slot - looks like injury waiting to happen and could be the issue. Carter Stewart looks like a beast. It will take forever for Kelenic to get here and he needs to grow into his body like Nimmo did. I also noticed Mets propensity for another left hand hitting outfield pick. Best case scenario for Kelenic is late 2021, 2022 more likely. By then we'll have a different looking team. Conforto out the door whenever, Nimmo a ear from free agency if not signed to extension. And basically, a rather different rotation with maybe Degrom and Noah still there on extension for the former.
Any of these kids will take a few years in the minors. So if 3-4 years is your projection, that's probably in-line with many others, including some college kids, and the HS pitcher you said you preferred, Carter Stewart. I would've preferred one of the top college bats but they were gone. One thing to keep in mind, which is probably not that big of a deal, is that he is an older HS senior, at 18 years 10 months. That's almost 2 years older than Dom Smith was when he was drafted. He's also 6'1 196lbs today. Nimmo is currently listed at 6'2 205lb. Kelenic isn't a string bean, but of course needs to mature his body as any 18-19 year old would need to do. That should happen pretty quickly I'd imagine once he enters the professional game. One thing I like abou Kelenic is he seems to have already done well playing young at a higher level. I posted this earlier but just in case it was missed: "When Kelenic was a junior he was the best producer at the plate for team USA U18 and won the MVP award in 2016 at the Pan American games." Doubtful but for all we know he emerges fast and is up in 2020. The more I'm reading the more I really like this kid... I don't dispute that Kelenic is good prospect. I view him like Nimmo but more dynamic in his throwing. I was just seeking a bigger bang at #6, someone likely to move faster through the system and be middle of the order type.
3 years for Kelenic is best case scenario and unlikely especially if doesn't debut till next season at Brooklyn. If he does, best case scenario is Brooklyn and Columbia in 2019. St. Lucie and Bingo in 2020. Vegas and Mets 2021 if stays healthy and develops well at every stop.
It took Nimmo and Smith 4 and 5 years respectively to reach the majors. Like Nimmo, Kelenic will have to develop as pro without high school baseball providing greater playing time. Nimmo also caught the attention of scouts playing well in major events, winning MVP. Ironically both showcased their skills at Wrigley tournaments.
Kelenic still has to grow into his body even at a current 6'1", 196. Looks like he needs it. Add more strength and endurance as a professional playing every day. I think his target may be 215 if corner outfielder. Less if stays in CF.
Carlos Beltran and Michael Conforto are both listed as 6'1" 215. Conforto was listed at 6'2" 217 when drafted.
It took a few years for Nimmo to grow into his body and then further enhance what it is today. A strong and fit 6'3" 207. That's his official listing. When drafted, he was 6'3" 185. A 22 pound gain.
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Jun 4 2018, 10:14 PM
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So Braves select the pitcher who most interested me, Carter Stewart. Nasty stuff. I would rather the Mets picked him than Kelenic.
Kelenic is good prospect but Mets could have - and should have went for bigger fish.
Other than the Padres, the Mets played down. I'd put his ETA at 2021 or 2022. Mets will need stop gap after Cespedes, and Conforto could be heading to free agency by then - eligible after 2021.
Notice how #2 rated Brady Singer has slid and is still sliding. According to most scouts he has all the requisites for success. Though I don't know the slightest thing about the kid I was hoping the Mets would have plucked him at #6. Evidently Alderson and his minion didn't prioritize an older College athlete. Kelenic, 18 years of age, is yet another LH hitting outfielder albeit with a lot to like. If he chooses the Mets system over his commitment to Louisville, in all probability we're looking(hopefully I'll be able to see it) 4 or 5 years down the road. The way Conforto is performing there may be a position waiting for him.
I don't like Singer's arm slot - looks like injury waiting to happen and could be the issue. Carter Stewart looks like a beast. It will take forever for Kelenic to get here and he needs to grow into his body like Nimmo did. I also noticed Mets propensity for another left hand hitting outfield pick. Best case scenario for Kelenic is late 2021, 2022 more likely. By then we'll have a different looking team. Conforto out the door whenever, Nimmo a ear from free agency if not signed to extension. And basically, a rather different rotation with maybe Degrom and Noah still there on extension for the former.
Any of these kids will take a few years in the minors. So if 3-4 years is your projection, that's probably in-line with many others, including some college kids, and the HS pitcher you said you preferred, Carter Stewart. I would've preferred one of the top college bats but they were gone. One thing to keep in mind, which is probably not that big of a deal, is that he is an older HS senior, at 18 years 10 months. That's almost 2 years older than Dom Smith was when he was drafted. He's also 6'1 196lbs today. Nimmo is currently listed at 6'2 205lb. Kelenic isn't a string bean, but of course needs to mature his body as any 18-19 year old would need to do. That should happen pretty quickly I'd imagine once he enters the professional game. One thing I like abou Kelenic is he seems to have already done well playing young at a higher level. I posted this earlier but just in case it was missed: "When Kelenic was a junior he was the best producer at the plate for team USA U18 and won the MVP award in 2016 at the Pan American games." Doubtful but for all we know he emerges fast and is up in 2020. The more I'm reading the more I really like this kid...
I don't dispute that Kelenic is good prospect. I view him like Nimmo but more dynamic in his throwing. I was just seeking a bigger bang at #6, someone likely to move faster through the system and be middle of the order type. 3 years for Kelenic is best case scenario and unlikely especially if doesn't debut till next season at Brooklyn. If he does, best case scenario is Brooklyn and Columbia in 2019. St. Lucie and Bingo in 2020. Vegas and Mets 2021 if stays healthy and develops well at every stop. It took Nimmo and Smith 4 and 5 years respectively to reach the majors. Like Nimmo, Kelenic will have to develop as pro without high school baseball providing greater playing time. Nimmo also caught the attention of scouts playing well in major events, winning MVP. Ironically both showcased their skills at Wrigley tournaments. Kelenic still has to grow into his body even at a current 6'1", 196. Looks like he needs it. Add more strength and endurance as a professional playing every day. I think his target may be 215 if corner outfielder. Less if stays in CF. Carlos Beltran and Michael Conforto are both listed as 6'1" 215. Conforto was listed at 6'2" 217 when drafted. It took a few years for Nimmo to grow into his body and then further enhance what it is today. A strong and fit 6'3" 207. That's his official listing. When drafted, he was 6'3" 185. A 22 pound gain. A more athletic Mark Kotsay is basically what people are saying.
He was a fine player but not 6 overall pick good.
Also it'll be Buffalo by 2022 so his stats wont be inflated which will also be good.
if they get good picks the rest of the draft then things could look good soon, baseball is the one sport where the position in which you draft means very little.
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Jun 4 2018, 10:24 PM
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So Braves select the pitcher who most interested me, Carter Stewart. Nasty stuff. I would rather the Mets picked him than Kelenic.
Kelenic is good prospect but Mets could have - and should have went for bigger fish.
Other than the Padres, the Mets played down. I'd put his ETA at 2021 or 2022. Mets will need stop gap after Cespedes, and Conforto could be heading to free agency by then - eligible after 2021.
Notice how #2 rated Brady Singer has slid and is still sliding. According to most scouts he has all the requisites for success. Though I don't know the slightest thing about the kid I was hoping the Mets would have plucked him at #6. Evidently Alderson and his minion didn't prioritize an older College athlete. Kelenic, 18 years of age, is yet another LH hitting outfielder albeit with a lot to like. If he chooses the Mets system over his commitment to Louisville, in all probability we're looking(hopefully I'll be able to see it) 4 or 5 years down the road. The way Conforto is performing there may be a position waiting for him.
I don't like Singer's arm slot - looks like injury waiting to happen and could be the issue. Carter Stewart looks like a beast. It will take forever for Kelenic to get here and he needs to grow into his body like Nimmo did. I also noticed Mets propensity for another left hand hitting outfield pick. Best case scenario for Kelenic is late 2021, 2022 more likely. By then we'll have a different looking team. Conforto out the door whenever, Nimmo a ear from free agency if not signed to extension. And basically, a rather different rotation with maybe Degrom and Noah still there on extension for the former.
Any of these kids will take a few years in the minors. So if 3-4 years is your projection, that's probably in-line with many others, including some college kids, and the HS pitcher you said you preferred, Carter Stewart. I would've preferred one of the top college bats but they were gone. One thing to keep in mind, which is probably not that big of a deal, is that he is an older HS senior, at 18 years 10 months. That's almost 2 years older than Dom Smith was when he was drafted. He's also 6'1 196lbs today. Nimmo is currently listed at 6'2 205lb. Kelenic isn't a string bean, but of course needs to mature his body as any 18-19 year old would need to do. That should happen pretty quickly I'd imagine once he enters the professional game. One thing I like abou Kelenic is he seems to have already done well playing young at a higher level. I posted this earlier but just in case it was missed: "When Kelenic was a junior he was the best producer at the plate for team USA U18 and won the MVP award in 2016 at the Pan American games." Doubtful but for all we know he emerges fast and is up in 2020. The more I'm reading the more I really like this kid... According to reports Kelenic is the best prep hitting prospect in the draft. So if you choose its easy to find solace in that. By the time he reaches the Bigs if he ever does I'll be past the mid point of the 70's. I hope I get to see the kid's arrival.
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Hey Lucky.
He was born in 1999. How’s that make you feel? :)
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Jun 4 2018, 10:36 PM
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So Braves select the pitcher who most interested me, Carter Stewart. Nasty stuff. I would rather the Mets picked him than Kelenic.
Kelenic is good prospect but Mets could have - and should have went for bigger fish.
Other than the Padres, the Mets played down. I'd put his ETA at 2021 or 2022. Mets will need stop gap after Cespedes, and Conforto could be heading to free agency by then - eligible after 2021.
Notice how #2 rated Brady Singer has slid and is still sliding. According to most scouts he has all the requisites for success. Though I don't know the slightest thing about the kid I was hoping the Mets would have plucked him at #6. Evidently Alderson and his minion didn't prioritize an older College athlete. Kelenic, 18 years of age, is yet another LH hitting outfielder albeit with a lot to like. If he chooses the Mets system over his commitment to Louisville, in all probability we're looking(hopefully I'll be able to see it) 4 or 5 years down the road. The way Conforto is performing there may be a position waiting for him.
I don't like Singer's arm slot - looks like injury waiting to happen and could be the issue. Carter Stewart looks like a beast. It will take forever for Kelenic to get here and he needs to grow into his body like Nimmo did. I also noticed Mets propensity for another left hand hitting outfield pick. Best case scenario for Kelenic is late 2021, 2022 more likely. By then we'll have a different looking team. Conforto out the door whenever, Nimmo a ear from free agency if not signed to extension. And basically, a rather different rotation with maybe Degrom and Noah still there on extension for the former.
Any of these kids will take a few years in the minors. So if 3-4 years is your projection, that's probably in-line with many others, including some college kids, and the HS pitcher you said you preferred, Carter Stewart. I would've preferred one of the top college bats but they were gone. One thing to keep in mind, which is probably not that big of a deal, is that he is an older HS senior, at 18 years 10 months. That's almost 2 years older than Dom Smith was when he was drafted. He's also 6'1 196lbs today. Nimmo is currently listed at 6'2 205lb. Kelenic isn't a string bean, but of course needs to mature his body as any 18-19 year old would need to do. That should happen pretty quickly I'd imagine once he enters the professional game. One thing I like abou Kelenic is he seems to have already done well playing young at a higher level. I posted this earlier but just in case it was missed: "When Kelenic was a junior he was the best producer at the plate for team USA U18 and won the MVP award in 2016 at the Pan American games." Doubtful but for all we know he emerges fast and is up in 2020. The more I'm reading the more I really like this kid...
According to reports Kelenic is the best prep hitting prospect in the draft. So if you choose its easy to find solace in that. By the time he reaches the Bigs if he ever does I'll be past the mid point of the 70's. I hope I get to see the kid's arrival. Whats up with the 2nd round choice? They chose the 160th rated prospect with the 48th pick. That's quite a reach for a kid with luke warm reviews. Perhaps our scouts saw something others didn't in this 17 year old. Hopefully his growth potential is a hidden pearl in an oyster. This RHP is yet another peach fuzzed young man who is half a decade away if ever. Being committed to the Longhorns of Texas it might behoove him to improve his stock at the College level. When all is said and done I hope I'm proven wrong,but given the kids situation and where he was rated this pick made little sense to me.
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Jun 4 2018, 10:39 PM
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Hey Lucky.
He was born in 1999. How’s that make you feel? :) Near death!
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Tol, this is for you since I know you like these kind of stats:
@genymets Jarred Kelenic’s numbers are crazy:
60 Time: 6.55 Outfield Velocity: 96-97 MPH Exit Velocity: 102 MPH
#LGM Thanks. Very impressive. I've seen his good outfield arm, good technique, aggressive charging and scooping. Crow hopping. Definitely better than Nimmo in that capacity. Nimmo is still trying to figure it out.
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Mixed reviews on the 2nd rd pick Simeon Woods-Richardson.
A HS starter who is 6’4 200lbs and has hit 95 but may end up as a RP.
Only 17 years old though...
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Jun 5 2018, 10:50 AM
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Hey Lucky.
He was born in 1999. How’s that make you feel? :)
Near death! And how in the hell Do you think that makes me feel?Freaking kids...🙄
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Jun 5 2018, 12:01 PM
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Hey Lucky.
He was born in 1999. How’s that make you feel? :)
Near death! And how in the hell Do you think that makes me feel?Freaking kids...🙄 Hey pal,no worries. You've already been reborn and good to go for the next millennium. You gonna be pick'n daises not push'n em for a very loooong time! G-d Bless!!!!
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Third round: 5'7" 197 lb 2b/OF Carlos Cortes. Though the kid evidently has an idea when approaching the plate you'd think it mandatory that a diminuitive sort such as this presents running speed. On the contrary he's rated a 40 in that area. While his K zone is short and narrow and he in fact does draw BB'S Jose Altuve he ain't if a college BA of .286 is any indication.
Again I have no idea what Cortes can become in MLB let alone MILB but this young man cannot even be found amongst the top 200 draft prospects. Like the second round selection is this yet another indication of the lingering 'moneyball' philosophy(drifting off the crowded scouting trail and discovering a kid nobody else valued)Alderson brought with him to Queens? To say this Organization 'reached' is an understatement. There aren't arms long enough to reach for such a potential undervalued prospect or should I say suspect? I'll give the brass this much. Cortes is a re-drafted player who the Mets plucked in a previous year but he chose the NCAA SC Gamecocks at the time.
Though the glowing reports of the Kelenic kid is growing on me,overall the drafting of this Organization thus far in 2018 has been like watching their games of late.
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The third pick, Carlos Cortes is very interesting. 5'7", infielder and outfielder who throws with both arms. He's natural lefty who throws that way in outfield, but taught himself to throw righty to play anywhere on infield.
Mets previously drafted him in 20th round but he opted for college.
I haven't yet read much scouting reports or searched for video but am very intrigued. Haven't yet read much on 2nd rounder either but know the Mets really liked him to use the 48th pick to draft a 160th rated prospect.
IMO, that and/or to save slot money to use for others.
But at least Omar Minaya's in the fold helping with these choices so it gives me confidence this pitcher has big upside. I read that Omar has big input on the first two selections and the rest goes to the farm director or whatever the tittle - Tommy something is the name. Last name starts with "T"
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Hey Lucky.
He was born in 1999. How’s that make you feel? :)
Near death! And how in the hell Do you think that makes me feel?Freaking kids...🙄
Hey pal,no worries. You've already been reborn and good to go for the next millennium. You gonna be pick'n daises not push'n em for a very loooong time! G-d Bless!!!! Lucky.... From your lips........
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