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Nimmo Keeps Getting Better
Topic Started: May 29 2018, 09:45 PM (176 Views)
Tolerance

Remember when HernandezFan repeatedly said he's a bust and would amount to nothing? :highclap:

I love the way Nimmo continues to grow his game, now starting to steal bases, scoop and throw on the run without slowing, throwing for more distance and velocity with lower trajectory, and basically becoming an extra base hit machine in addition to high OBP.

He still needs to throw with better accuracy, reduce K's, use the whole field and get clutch hits with game on the line. He's been pulling the ball a lot and might reduce K's by using the whole field and planting his front foot just a fraction sooner.

But it's rather evident he's been improving, adding new skills after settling into others, learning from someone or multiple people or video how to improve his defense, use an aggressive approach in throwing situations and take advantage of his speed on the bases.

This bodes very well for his future, to eventually be 5-tool above average in every aspect of his game including someday hitting over .300 year after year. 20 steals, 20 homers, is attainable. Perhaps someday 25/25, 30/30.

Today thus far, HPB, 2 steals, single, RBI Double, 2 Runs, and not a particularly good throw, but an aggressive one.

Edited by Tolerance, May 29 2018, 09:48 PM.
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Lucky

Tolerance
May 29 2018, 09:45 PM
Remember when HernandezFan repeatedly said he's a bust and would amount to nothing? :highclap:

I love the way Nimmo continues to grow his game, now starting to steal bases, scoop and throw on the run without slowing, throwing for more distance and velocity with lower trajectory, and basically becoming an extra base hit machine in addition to high OBP.

He still needs to throw with better accuracy, reduce K's, use the whole field and get clutch hits with game on the line. He's been pulling the ball a lot and might reduce K's by using the whole field and planting his front foot just a fraction sooner.

But it's rather evident he's been improving, adding new skills after settling into others, learning from someone or multiple people or video how to improve his defense, use an aggressive approach in throwing situations and take advantage of his speed on the bases.

This bodes very well for his future, to eventually be 5-tool above average in every aspect of his game including someday hitting over .300 year after year. 20 steals, 20 homers, is attainable. Perhaps someday 25/25, 30/30.

Today thus far, HPB, 2 steals, single, RBI Double, 2 Runs, and not a particularly good throw, but an aggressive one.

Only two words need be said. HE'S ARRIVED!!!!!! I'll add a few more. "STARTIN IN LF AND LEADING OFF #9 BRANDON NIMMO"!!!!! EVERY DAY!!!!! Room must be made for this kid. This may come across as drastic with many dissenters but here it is. In all probability a fire sale is in the cards come the trade deadline. Send Yoenis to his final destination. He professed a love for Oakland and expressed a desire to end his career there. Pay half of his salary,get a Kings Ransom in top prospects and add to a young rebuild with Nimmo already in house. I don't like the overload of a LH hitting OF but as far as I am concerned Nimmo is a keeper.
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hodges69

Lucky..
I’d love to share some of what you are smoking! The only thing Ces leads the league in are trips to the DL and one of the higher salary brackets...who would give anything of value for that? ...throw in the Bruce,Ramos and other ridiculous salaries....we’d be avoided like a leper who has the Black Plague....Let’s face it..the only thing that could POSSIBLY bring us a decent prospect haul are the trading of Thor and Jake..but that diminishes with every injury they incur...
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Lucky

hodges69
May 30 2018, 09:41 AM
Lucky..
I’d love to share some of what you are smoking! The only thing Ces leads the league in are trips to the DL and one of the higher salary brackets...who would give anything of value for that? ...throw in the Bruce,Ramos and other ridiculous salaries....we’d be avoided like a leper who has the Black Plague....Let’s face it..the only thing that could POSSIBLY bring us a decent prospect haul are the trading of Thor and Jake..but that diminishes with every injury they incur...
I understand the cost factor regarding Cespedes Gilly,but if you noticed I made it clear if bringing back significant value we'd have to incur at least one half of his remaining dollars owed. Of course I'm looking for maximum Mets benefit. There are two parties involved so the A's would have to value Yoenis highly if a deal could be done.

If the Mets have concluded Nimmo is the real deal he's an important part of the present and future. Thus room must be made for him to play everyday.
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TuffleShuffle

Lucky
May 30 2018, 12:09 PM
hodges69
May 30 2018, 09:41 AM
Lucky..
I’d love to share some of what you are smoking! The only thing Ces leads the league in are trips to the DL and one of the higher salary brackets...who would give anything of value for that? ...throw in the Bruce,Ramos and other ridiculous salaries....we’d be avoided like a leper who has the Black Plague....Let’s face it..the only thing that could POSSIBLY bring us a decent prospect haul are the trading of Thor and Jake..but that diminishes with every injury they incur...
I understand the cost factor regarding Cespedes Gilly,but if you noticed I made it clear if bringing back significant value we'd have to incur at least one half of his remaining dollars owed. Of course I'm looking for maximum Mets benefit. There are two parties involved so the A's would have to value Yoenis highly if a deal could be done.

If the Mets have concluded Nimmo is the real deal he's an important part of the present and future. Thus room must be made for him to play everyday.
A's are rebuilding (like usual). Trading for 1 year of Cespedes when they aren't in contention, and giving up top prospects make little to no sense for them. If they wanted him, they can just wait and sign him and keep their kids.

Yo isn't going anywhere and isn't the problem. He's still the most feared bat in the lineup (when in the lineup).

Quick to forget how valuable he's been to the team the past few years I guess.

If they're trading someone and eating money, move Bruce.
Edited by TuffleShuffle, May 30 2018, 12:52 PM.
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Lucky

TuffleShuffle
May 30 2018, 12:52 PM
Lucky
May 30 2018, 12:09 PM
hodges69
May 30 2018, 09:41 AM
Lucky..
I’d love to share some of what you are smoking! The only thing Ces leads the league in are trips to the DL and one of the higher salary brackets...who would give anything of value for that? ...throw in the Bruce,Ramos and other ridiculous salaries....we’d be avoided like a leper who has the Black Plague....Let’s face it..the only thing that could POSSIBLY bring us a decent prospect haul are the trading of Thor and Jake..but that diminishes with every injury they incur...
I understand the cost factor regarding Cespedes Gilly,but if you noticed I made it clear if bringing back significant value we'd have to incur at least one half of his remaining dollars owed. Of course I'm looking for maximum Mets benefit. There are two parties involved so the A's would have to value Yoenis highly if a deal could be done.

If the Mets have concluded Nimmo is the real deal he's an important part of the present and future. Thus room must be made for him to play everyday.
A's are rebuilding (like usual). Trading for 1 year of Cespedes when they aren't in contention, and giving up top prospects make little to no sense for them. If they wanted him, they can just wait and sign him and keep their kids.

Yo isn't going anywhere and isn't the problem. He's still the most feared bat in the lineup (when in the lineup).

Quick to forget how valuable he's been to the team the past few years I guess.

If they're trading someone and eating money, move Bruce.
I never said Yo was a problem. Someone has to vacate the area if Nimmo is going to play everyday. Oakland is always in a perpetual rebuild so perhaps they'd like a redux of a popular veteran to surround their kids with. Cespedes has professed a love for his first team in the U.S. so that is why I made the connection. For the sake of LHH RHH balance I would have no problem moving Bruce.

Speaking of re-building it appears our Mets are primed for one. Should their incompetence continue look for Alderson to back up the truck come July 31.
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Tolerance

Lucky
May 30 2018, 01:48 PM
TuffleShuffle
May 30 2018, 12:52 PM
Lucky
May 30 2018, 12:09 PM
hodges69
May 30 2018, 09:41 AM
Lucky..
I’d love to share some of what you are smoking! The only thing Ces leads the league in are trips to the DL and one of the higher salary brackets...who would give anything of value for that? ...throw in the Bruce,Ramos and other ridiculous salaries....we’d be avoided like a leper who has the Black Plague....Let’s face it..the only thing that could POSSIBLY bring us a decent prospect haul are the trading of Thor and Jake..but that diminishes with every injury they incur...
I understand the cost factor regarding Cespedes Gilly,but if you noticed I made it clear if bringing back significant value we'd have to incur at least one half of his remaining dollars owed. Of course I'm looking for maximum Mets benefit. There are two parties involved so the A's would have to value Yoenis highly if a deal could be done.

If the Mets have concluded Nimmo is the real deal he's an important part of the present and future. Thus room must be made for him to play everyday.
A's are rebuilding (like usual). Trading for 1 year of Cespedes when they aren't in contention, and giving up top prospects make little to no sense for them. If they wanted him, they can just wait and sign him and keep their kids.

Yo isn't going anywhere and isn't the problem. He's still the most feared bat in the lineup (when in the lineup).

Quick to forget how valuable he's been to the team the past few years I guess.

If they're trading someone and eating money, move Bruce.
I never said Yo was a problem. Someone has to vacate the area if Nimmo is going to play everyday. Oakland is always in a perpetual rebuild so perhaps they'd like a redux of a popular veteran to surround their kids with. Cespedes has professed a love for his first team in the U.S. so that is why I made the connection. For the sake of LHH RHH balance I would have no problem moving Bruce.

Speaking of re-building it appears our Mets are primed for one. Should their incompetence continue look for Alderson to back up the truck come July 31.
Lucky, I think it's unrealistic to think the Cespedes would waive his full no trade clause after seeking it to be in control of his living situation and of his family.

I also agree with Tuffle think the move makes little sense for the A's even should Mets pay half and Cespedes agrees to move cross country.

Nimmo has earned a starting job as much as anyone, is the third best hitter on the team behind Cespedes and Cabrera, the best leadoff, OBP and outfield speed option, and will surely get reams of playing even upon Cespedes's return.

Callaway must have an outfield rotation that gives everyone fair playing time but emphasis on playing those who contribute the most. There's no returning to Nimmo as reserve without major backlash should Callaway be so stupid to do so. Figure Bruce gets increased playing time at first base, every outfielder including Cespedes gets some off days, and Nimmo takes some playing time away from Conforto and Bruce. Can't be benching a player with a .955 OPS who's growing by leaps and bounds.
Edited by Tolerance, May 30 2018, 04:43 PM.
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TuffleShuffle

Tol, in response to Callaway benching Nimmo once Cespedes is back, I did share this in another thread from The NY Post:

I think we need him to be our consistent leadoff hitter at this point,’’ Callaway said. “I think he’s got a good chance — even if he doesn’t get a hit — to get on base for us. [Nimmo] in that leadoff position consistently is what we need to do as much as possible.”

Whereas TC used to favor the vets, even if they were struggling (see Michael Conforto's lack of playing time in past years), I do believe Callaway will lean on performance to determine his lineup.

Nimmo and Cespedes (when healthy) need to be in the lineup every day until one proves otherwise. Let Bruce, Conforto, Agone, Bautista fight for the final 2 spots (CF/RF and 1B).
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TuffleShuffle
May 30 2018, 04:49 PM
Tol, in response to Callaway benching Nimmo once Cespedes is back, I did share this in another thread from The NY Post:

I think we need him to be our consistent leadoff hitter at this point,’’ Callaway said. “I think he’s got a good chance — even if he doesn’t get a hit — to get on base for us. [Nimmo] in that leadoff position consistently is what we need to do as much as possible.”

Whereas TC used to favor the vets, even if they were struggling (see Michael Conforto's lack of playing time in past years), I do believe Callaway will lean on performance to determine his lineup.

Nimmo and Cespedes (when healthy) need to be in the lineup every day until one proves otherwise. Let Bruce, Conforto, Agone, Bautista fight for the final 2 spots (CF/RF and 1B).
I know Callaway said that but I don't think he's proven enough as a manager who keeps his word. He's made a whole bunch of decisions that leave me scratching my head. He's shown a lot of favoritism toward Conforto resulting in the benching of the hot Nimmo earlier this season.

I think Nimmo would benefit from two off days a week but otherwise must consistently play to maintain his timing and consistency at the dish.

21 Outfield Slots Per Week Excluding Off Days

Cespedes 6 games

Nimmo 5

Bruce 4

Conforto 4

Bautista 2.


Bruce and Bautista can also start a game or two per week in infield.

Edited by Tolerance, May 30 2018, 05:16 PM.
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TuffleShuffle

Tolerance
May 30 2018, 05:07 PM
TuffleShuffle
May 30 2018, 04:49 PM
Tol, in response to Callaway benching Nimmo once Cespedes is back, I did share this in another thread from The NY Post:

I think we need him to be our consistent leadoff hitter at this point,’’ Callaway said. “I think he’s got a good chance — even if he doesn’t get a hit — to get on base for us. [Nimmo] in that leadoff position consistently is what we need to do as much as possible.”

Whereas TC used to favor the vets, even if they were struggling (see Michael Conforto's lack of playing time in past years), I do believe Callaway will lean on performance to determine his lineup.

Nimmo and Cespedes (when healthy) need to be in the lineup every day until one proves otherwise. Let Bruce, Conforto, Agone, Bautista fight for the final 2 spots (CF/RF and 1B).
I know Callaway said that but I don't think he's proven enough as a manager who keeps his word. He's made a whole bunch of decisions that leave me scratching my head. He's shown a lot of favoritism toward Conforto resulting in the benching of the hot Nimmo earlier this season.

I think Nimmo would benefit from two off days a week but otherwise must consistently play to maintain his timing and consistency at the dish.

21 Outfield Slots Per Week Excluding Off Days

Cespedes 6 games

Nimmo 5

Bruce 4

Conforto 4

Bautista 2.


Bruce and Bautista can also start a game or two per week in infield.

I think you've been over criticizing Callaway all year but I won't tell you that your opinion is wrong - to each his/her own.

That said, Nimmo has been in the lineup more or less regularly and leading off since mid-May. Let's see if Callaway actually goes back on his word before assuming he is someone who will. So far he has stuck to it.
Edited by TuffleShuffle, May 30 2018, 06:29 PM.
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Tolerance

Another 3 times on base today with homer, single and BB. Now starting to use the whole field.

Remarkable.

He started the evening with .287/.431/.574/1.004 which has gone up since the game began.
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Tolerance

Remarkable. He'll slump for a few days and then bust out. Saturday two singles batting 5th, and 2B, single, SB, Big go-ahead homer Sunday batting leadoff.

.274.402.565.967

10 HR in 168 AB's.

Career: 16 homers, 21 2B, 6 3B in 418 AB's.

He keeps growing his game. Makes adjustments. Clutch, clutch hit Sunday is nice step forward in such a crucial spot.

He just has to conquer those high K's. Oh boy, when he finally does - the sky's the limit.

And what a great personality.So infectious, humble and authentic. You can also see the leadership qualities and an increasing go-to person post game. Reminds me a lot of Daniel Murphy in many ways
Edited by Tolerance, Jun 18 2018, 01:51 AM.
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hodges69

Tol.... he’s growing into a replacement for David Wright..leadership wise... personality wise and on field performance wise.....no better model than that...
Even though many of us think/thought he is finished..the tenacity and love of the game is amazing... his determination level is boundless and admirable...no matter how much the cheapons are paying him...he’s earned every dime...
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supergrover

He has improved alot.We need to see the learning curve for Conforto to grow as well.League has a jump on him this year or maybe the shoulder is a slight factor.

Sandy needs to go,along with the broken down vets on this team including D,Smith,Fire sale now,Thor and Degrom need to bring us a whole new team.

We are stuck with the guy who can't get his legs in shape,needs to try a very different approach to his off season workouts whatever he does now isn't working at all.
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supergrover
Jun 18 2018, 11:40 AM
Sandy needs to go,along with the broken down vets on this team including D,Smith,Fire sale now,Thor and Degrom need to bring us a whole new team.

I don't subscribe to The Athletic, but Ken Rosenthal posted they area ready to sell. Blurb from Rotoworld:


Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports that the Mets are ready to listen to trade offers for "virtually everyone" on their roster.

Rosenthal notes that the Mets would understandably prefer to keep their young, controllable talent, but he also adds that the club is more open to moving Noah Syndergaard (under team control through 2021) than staff ace Jacob deGrom (under team control through 2020). Obviously it would take a huge haul for them to part with either pitcher, but they are keeping an open mind. Probably the most realistic name to be moved is closer Jeurys Familia, who is due to become a free agent following the season. Asdrubal Cabrera also makes sense as a possible trade chip for New York.


I wonder what Familia could net them? Teams such as LAA and Houston, who are very much in playoff contention need a reliable 9th inning man. Would one overpay? Not expecting the return Chapman brought NYY for a summer rental from the Cubs but maybe something more than just a bag of balls like we saw last summer when Sandy made moves. Another team could be Cle, who likes having a bunch of RPs come playoff time. Doubt they could but if there was any way to acquire their young C Mejia, do it and do it fast.

Anyone not named Nimmo, Conforto, deGrom, Syndergaard, Rosario should be made available immediately, if they haven't been already. But even from that group (deGrom), if there's a great deal to be made, pull the trigger.
Edited by TuffleShuffle, Jun 18 2018, 12:34 PM.
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