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| Yankees reportedly won't surender either Torres or Andujar for Jake. | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 14 2018, 12:29 PM (164 Views) | |
| Lucky | Jun 14 2018, 12:29 PM Post #1 |
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Have a nice day and stick it where the sun don't shine!! Why the hell should we subtract deGrom anyway? His prime seasons are just beginning. Rather than build with other teams prospects improve your own damn scouting,development and financial stability. If I'm in power Jake stays right where he is. The same applies to Syndergaard unless those chumps are willing to package Sanchez and either Andujar or Torres. Ya want? Ya give to get! The Yankees are displaying their hubris and arrogance, banking on Alderson's desperation. F k 'em! |
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| TuffleShuffle | Jun 14 2018, 12:42 PM Post #2 |
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Agree, don't sell him for pennies. But the reality is, they should move him. He's already 29, and only signed for 2 more years. This team is not winning in that window, and will Wilpons really pay a mega contract to a 31-32 year old SP - which he'll surely get somewhere? Would deGrom even want to come back to this team who has essentially "wasted" his prime years? If it's not the Yankees, there's other teams with top guys that would surely be interested. How about LA Dodgers, who could build a package around Walker Buehler (23 SP), Alex Verdugo (21 OF), and Keibert Ruiz (19 catcher)? I think they have to seriously consider moving deGrom if there's a deal out there that will help add top young talent to a team that needs to be looking ahead to the future. Edited by TuffleShuffle, Jun 14 2018, 12:42 PM.
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| Lucky | Jun 14 2018, 01:26 PM Post #3 |
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Jake is just coming into his own and has given indication he'll soon be able to get deeper into games regularly. If Alderson is smart he'll buy up Jake's remaining control years then add six or seven seasons into his free agent eligibility taking deGrom into his age 37 or 38 season. He appears to be the type who could make the necessary adjustment during his natural age decline thus getting effective pitching all the way thru the balance of his Mets career. This is a guy you build a pitching staff around. Its rare that you can find a true ace these days. I'd prefer to own and treasure it rather than see another team benefit while we do a half a decade search for one. In the meantime get a staff in here who not only can spot talent but develop it to a point where it can be realized on the field not the newspapers. |
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| TuffleShuffle | Jun 14 2018, 01:51 PM Post #4 |
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I guess my point is based on this current group of players, and the weak farm system, the team is still probably a few years away at least. That's also assuming they make other moves that help improve the organization. By that time, Jake will be around his mid 30's, and on the downside of his prime. I'd rather cash in now and get a huge haul of top talent that will help fill many holes, vs hoping he is still dominant in 3-4 years, while making big time money. I think it'd be wise to trade him. But again, only if it's a huge return. |
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| Lucky | Jun 14 2018, 02:05 PM Post #5 |
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I see your point but I'm counting on Jake to be an elite contributor throughout his entire Mets career with solid reinforcements in place as a result of competent shakers and movers sooner rather than later. |
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| TuffleShuffle | Jun 14 2018, 02:29 PM Post #6 |
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Normally I'd say you're right. But with this team, always assume the worst. |
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| militaryfan | Jun 14 2018, 02:52 PM Post #7 |
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That would take them spending money, which we all know wont happen. I know if they trade it wont be for equal value and we'll get some teams b prospects and sell it as their a level and of course like the pound puppies we are we will buy it and keep lining the pockets of this cheap ownership. |
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| Tolerance | Jun 14 2018, 04:25 PM Post #8 |
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Lucky, I agree, sign Degrom to extension in the offseason - he's a keeper, one of the very best starters and true professional in the game - arguably, the best. That signing should come later in the offseason with re-tool/rebuild roots set down in July and August as Mets engage in 2018 selloff and then offseason free agent signings such that there's quality in place to legitimately compete for postseason in 2019 and beyond to convince Degrom to sign. As I've previously wrote, get a new GM/Front office [and new hitting, base running, outfield and bench coaches ] and build around Degrom, Nimmo, Lugo, TJ Rivera - and minor leaguers Alonso, Gimenez, Kelenic (if he ever signs), Peterson, Dunn. I would also retain 2018 draft picks - pitchers Bryce Montes de Oca and Reyly Gilliam, and defensive stud catcher Nick Meyer considered among the best defensive players in the entire draft, if not the best. Re: Bruce and Cespedes. In the absence of good health and quality performance, Mets have little. chance of trading either even if Cespedes agrees to waive his full no-trade. I would make everyone else available including Rosario, Conforto, Syndergaard, Gsellman, Flores, Familia, Cabrera, Wheeler, Smith, Matz, Plawecki, Nido, etc. Mets would have to be blown away by superb package that includes at least two stud pitchers and one or more stud position players big league ready or rather close to trade Syndergaard. Edited by Tolerance, Jun 14 2018, 04:30 PM.
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| Tolerance | Jun 14 2018, 04:47 PM Post #9 |
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The Wilpons open their wallets for the right player/ players when it makes sense. I don't like them either as owners, but I wouldn't call them cheap. Before Madoff, they spent among the highest in the game for years. After Madoff and in conjunction with new Stadium payments, they dealt with financial hell-hole that forced them to pare down for several seasons but have since rebounded. Last season they spent the most in franchise history - 165 mil. They should look to sign at least one big ticket position player in the offseason such as Machado, Harper and high end relievers. Then round out the spending with moderately priced free agents, plus trade acquisitions that should begin next month. |
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| joedabum | Jun 14 2018, 05:30 PM Post #10 |
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I would trade deGrom for a package of stud prospects, or mlb players, if they're that good. Bottom line is we are not going anywhere for awhile, and by the time we are, Jacob will be testing the market. So, to me, it's a no brainer. Get something for him now, or watch this become Daniel Murphy Part Deux when he walks away for nothing. But of course, management will do exactly that, and it will be Murphy part II. Mismanagement comes from the top and just trickles down.... |
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| TuffleShuffle | Jun 14 2018, 05:45 PM Post #11 |
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They'll offer him a Qualifying Offer and be happy with the draft pick compensation. |
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| Lucky | Jun 14 2018, 08:21 PM Post #12 |
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As I proposed earlier Alderson should offer to extend deGrom and add another six years covering Jake thru age 37-38. Should he refuse only then would it make good sense to kick the tires on a deal outside the Organization. The best case scenario as far as I am concerned is building around this player. He is a rare commodity in todays sports world. I see a pitcher merely on the cusp of his prime. Given good health it is fair to expect dominance thru his age 35 season followed by veteran excellence for the remainder of his deal. |
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| militaryfan | Jun 14 2018, 09:16 PM Post #13 |
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They've always been cheap, the madoff stuff inflated their finances and they were signing guys with money they didn't really have. They have always been cheap, even before the 2000s who was the big fish they would get( it took Doubleday to use his stroke for them to even get Piazza here), they would draft below slot a lot because of money, the minor league team is in Vegas because of money. I have zero faith that this group would ever even talk to a Machado or Harper. They are still spending on Wright, and Bonilla for craps sake. They built a average stadium at best to save money. I can keep going but you get my point. They overspend for moderate talent and try to convince us that its an all star and sadly a lot of us believe it. I am sorry but these people are killing my passion for this team and for the sport of baseball. every decade this team has a two year stretch and we have already used the stretch for this decade already so its pain train from here on in. Edited by militaryfan, Jun 14 2018, 09:18 PM.
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| Rangerfan4life74 | Jun 14 2018, 10:15 PM Post #14 |
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I can see Cashman going after some other quality starters without having to give up Torres,Andujar,Sheffield and Florial.We still have enough nice prospects,like Frazier,to get us a very good starter or 2.Wouldn't mind Cole Hamels if the price was right. |
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| Tolerance | Jun 15 2018, 01:11 AM Post #15 |
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Here Are Facts. 40-Man Payroll & MLB Rank: 2000 - $ 82,246,383 (4) 2001 - $ 93,125,240 (6) 2002 - $ 94,395,575 (6) 2003 - $116,253,927 (2) 2004 - $103,199,231 (4) 2005 - $103,985,823 (3) 2006 - $116,571,696 (3) 2007 - $120,927,727 (4) 2008 - $144,693,962 (3) 2009 - $142,229,759 (2) 2010 - $127,560,042 (6) 2011 - $142,244,744 (5) 2012 - $103,710,802 (11) 2013 - $ 95,128,685 (17) 2014 - $ 92,856,260 (21) 2015 - $109,779,018 (19) 2016 - $156,801,072 (15) 2017 - $164,660,792 (15) 2018 - $150,558,844 - Opening Day Active Roster __________________________________________ Mets AAA affiliate in Vegas because it was the only available option at the time - not because they're cheap. This is the final Mets season in Vegas after buying (not leasing) AAA Syracuse Chiefs this past offseason, and will begin playing there next season - effectively kicking the Nationals out, forcing them to Vegas if no other AAA affiliate contracts expire in 2018 and aren't renewed with current big league team. Unless it costs more than 900 mil to build the Braves new ballpark, Citi Field is the second most expensive MLB Baseball Stadium built. http://www.fromthisseat.com/index.php/blog/17158-mlb-ballparks-construction-cost-rankings Can't Pay Players With Money You Don't Have. Mets Met Their Payroll Obligations For Expensive Players Including: Carlos Delgado Carlos Beltran Johan Santana Tom Glavine Billy Wagner Jason Bay Yoenis Cespedes Pedro Martinez Cliff Floyd And Others ____________________________________________________________________ As Mets fans we're all disgusted, want new owners, but I don't think it's accurate to say Wilpons are cheap. Edited by Tolerance, Jun 15 2018, 01:14 AM.
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