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| Chris | May 25 2014, 02:23 PM Post #1 |
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Ivan Rogers Permanent Representative of the United Kingdom to the European Union Esteemed Representatives, I have brought you here today to discuss two subjects, one rather more complex than the other. As a result, I shall address the simple of the two first. Egypt's recent intervention in Libya has led to calls from members of Her Majesty 's Government to implement an embargo against the Egyptian government for all supplies of lethal military equipment. We would like to suggest that this become an EU-wide policy, and in the interim, the UK government will impose a unilateral embargo until Egypt ceases its military operations. Now, our main reason for calling you here, as you are no doubt aware, the Foreign Minister of China has requested a cancellation of the EU and embargo against his country. He raises many valid points, pointing out that we are no longer in a Cold War and that human rights in China have improved, and are far better than many countries in the Middle East who we deal with willingly. It is the position of my government that the embargo against China has run its course, China is a thriving market for European companies, and the only losers in this embargo are our own economies. I would like to propose lifting the embargo, perhaps in a phased manner. Supplying parts and components initially, and if after several years these are used in a manner that suggests they are not simply being cloned and built in China, we can consider the sale of more complex systems. Eurocopter and Airbus already have factories in China producing aircraft for the Chinese market. Whether we like it or not, some of these are used by the PLA, so in reality, the embargo isn't terribly effective. Also, China poses no direct military that to Europe, so I must ask any opponents of removing the embargo, what are your grounds for this? I yield the floor for discussion. |
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| 10ebbor10 | Jun 4 2014, 11:09 AM Post #11 |
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General Response to the lifting of the Arms embargo against China With the exception of some Scandinavian countries, and the Netherlands, the majority of the European Union is largely in favor of lifting the embargo. As it stands, the agreement is likely to pass, but there are some who urge for caution. Voices have gone up that the loosening of the embargo might further endanger it's already questionable effectivity, and that the rather broad definition of non-combatant equipment might result in the embargo becoming little more than red tape. There are also concerns that this might effect international relations with the US and Japan. Sanctions against Lybia and Egypt The EU already has a (non-legally binding) partial arms embargo against Egypt, while transfer of arms to Lybia is being monitored by the UN. That being said, the majority of the nations consider both economic sanctions and arms embargo to vague. Concerns are also raised that in the case of embargoes against Lybia, any embargo will be seen as a statement of support to anti government militias, which might destabilize the situation. A full arms embargo (which would include non-lethal equipment for humanitarian use) against either seems unlikely to pass, and as such a more specific deal might be required. Edited by 10ebbor10, Jun 4 2014, 11:09 AM.
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| Jos1311 | Aug 6 2014, 01:58 PM Post #12 |
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![]() Représentant Permanent de la France auprès de l'Union européenne | Permanent Representative of France to the European Union Representatives, I would like to inquire what the other member states' stance is on the matter of the Chinese arms embargo. France in theory is supportive of slowly, but gradually lifting the embargo. However one important matter that needs to be addressed, before any contract is to be signed with Beijing is that of intellectual property rights, and the Chinese attitude and policy concerning them. In the past Beijing has had little to no difficulties in copying foreign property, without approval to do so. Unless Beijing takes considerable steps in addressing that issue, France believe we should be reserved on a complete lifting of the ban. |
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| iceviking | Aug 6 2014, 10:14 PM Post #13 |
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Peter Tempel Permanent Representation of the Federal Republic of Germany to the European Union Brussels Germany is still reserved on lifting the ban. We believe that Sweden as well as us think its a lifting on items such as non lethal equipment, such as helicopters would be fine. We are concerned about copyright infringement which is blatant in China. We believe that China will not agree to our terms on this, so Germany will vote against any change. |
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| Jos1311 | Aug 6 2014, 11:33 PM Post #14 |
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![]() Représentant Permanent de la France auprès de l'Union européenne | Permanent Representative of France to the European Union Mr. Tempel, Rather than assuming China would not agree, would it not be an option to discuss the matter with China before we draw conclusions? I do not believe it to be wise not constructive to let assumptions guide use in such delicate matters. I therefore believe that if Beijing were to contact us on the topic again, the best thing to do would be to hold detailed talks on the issue, and our concerns over copyright infringement and the matter of intellectual property rights as a whole. Would the other parties agree to such a response? |
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