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| AllenKalashnikov | Jun 16 2014, 11:52 AM Post #1 |
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Laurent Fabius Minister of Foreign Affairs and International Development I have been talking to the leadership of Belarus and they wish to release the prisoners however such a move would require a compromise France is happy to take them in and even allow travel from Belarus for the once on the do not travel list. With the current geo-political scene in eastern Europe we can not allow the divides between Belarus and Russia to be repaired... we need to isolate Russia. So I motion to accept the deal with Belarus and move forward on isolating Russia. Here is the deal: Spoiler: click to toggle
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| Chris | Jun 16 2014, 12:47 PM Post #2 |
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I feel I must ask, what does Belarus offer the EU? What do we stand to gain from this? We stirred the hornets nest in Ukraine by subverting the internal dynamics of that country and look what we created... |
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| AllenKalashnikov | Jun 16 2014, 12:56 PM Post #3 |
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Laurent Fabius Minister of Foreign Affairs and International Development Well they would gain domestic victory while we as the EU would gain 2 victories, 1 to further isolate Russia and an international one with the release of the people. |
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| Chris | Jun 16 2014, 01:02 PM Post #4 |
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I'm not convinced that further expanding EU influence Eastward is either sensible, productive or a victory for what is supposed to be a common market for trading. If Belarus wants to gain favour in the eyes of the international community, it shouldn't need to be bribed by Europe. Are these prisoners French nationals? And will they remain in France or end up elsewhere on state handouts? |
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| AllenKalashnikov | Jun 16 2014, 01:21 PM Post #5 |
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Laurent Fabius Minister of Foreign Affairs and International Development As per the sanctions they were to be released by Belarus and diplomacy often entails compromise. Russia is our main threat at this point, and if this move helps Isolate Russia then it will benefit us. The United Kingdom must look at the Geopolitical situation as it is. Further more the people are Belorussians that will expelled and sent to France from there they are free to stay in France or move to what ever country they wish. |
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| Chris | Jun 16 2014, 01:28 PM Post #6 |
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Looking at the geopolitics of Eastern Europe we see a supranational organisation using EU funded NGOs to incite protest and violence on the streets of non-members. Russia is no more a threat to the EU than we are to Russia. We have caused these problems and we cannot deal with them. To further isolate Russia will serve merely to exacerbate the situation and will provoke yet another hostile response. What then?! Do we condemn them with weak words once more the actions we have caused? |
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| KnightConcorde | Jun 16 2014, 01:33 PM Post #7 |
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Radosław Sikorski Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Poland Currently, while Poland would support the continued isolation of Russia, we do not support the freeing of the Belorussian political prisoners in the current form for several reasons. One, allowing them to leave Belarus would be doing the Belorussian government a favor, as their political opponents would be outside of the country and would more than likely be banned from reentering the country. the result would be that even though they would be free, they would be unable to change the political landscape of their country or push for freedoms in Belarus if they cannot return their. Also, the EU should instead push for a new round of free, fair elections in Belarus, as most of the previous ones have seen cases of widespread electoral fraud and intimidation. |
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| AllenKalashnikov | Jun 16 2014, 01:50 PM Post #8 |
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Laurent Fabius Minister of Foreign Affairs and International Development So let me get this right.... You all are willing to allow these people to sit in jail in differently on top of give Russia an ally in the current crisis. France will not agree to that, we will by any means available diplomatically allow the Belorussian government to earn the right to have sanctions renewed which is something that the UK and Polish governments are unwilling to do. |
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| KnightConcorde | Jun 16 2014, 03:06 PM Post #9 |
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Radosław Sikorski Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Poland While my country supports the release of these prisoners, we feel that the agreement that was signed was too lopsided in favor of Belarus. Also, I believe that bringing Belarus into the EU will not help our situation, and may actually make it worse, both economically and politically. In the event that the Belorussian government were to agree to hold free and fair elections within six-months to a year of this agreement being signed, and if they were willing to allow the political prisoners that they released to move freely both back and forth from, and within, Belarus, then the Republic of Poland will back this agreement. |
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| Chris | Jun 17 2014, 01:25 AM Post #10 |
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Ivan Rogers Permanent Representative of the United Kingdom to the European Union It does seem like we would be giving an awful lot to Belarus for so little in return. A requirement for Belarus to hold elections should be essential for us to work closer together, and if it fails or refuses to hold them, then we will have gained nothing and lost nothing. The absolute protection of non-EU foreign dignitaries visiting EU countries is one of the reforms that my government will propose this body make when the Prime Minister address the Council in May. Perhaps France will back our recommendations, and then issues like this will not happen again... |
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