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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 4 2014, 12:40 PM (301 Views) | |
| Vonar Roberts | Oct 4 2014, 12:40 PM Post #1 |
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Somalia Situation and Arms embargo discussion LIU Jieyi, Permanent Ambassador of the People's Republic of China to the United Nations I would like to request a report on the current situation in Somalia from the commander of the African Union Mission in Somalia (AMISOM), and I would also like to propose the expansion of the African Union Mission in Somalia (AMISOM) with a mandate to further assist the government of Somalia. We believe that the United Nations should also take measures to reduce the need of Somalians to turn to Piracy to make ends meat. Agricultural projects, infrastructure, power, and other construction projects managed through the United Nations could provide a solid economic foundation for Somalia and serve as a deterrence for people becoming members in the pirate organizations. Additionally on the subject of counter-piracy the People's Republic of China intends to strengthen its force participating in international counter-piracy missions to consist of three frigates, and a Destroyer that will begin regular counter-piracy operations by June of this year. On behalf of the People's Republic of China I would like to extend a open invitation to all member nations of Combined Task Force 150 to conduct joint counter-piracy exercises with China's People's Liberation Army Navy. The People's Republic of China would also like to take this opportunity to bring up the current Arms embargo placed on Somalia. In 2013 the United Nations partially lifted the arms embargo on Somalia for a year, and extended a partial suspension of the decades-old arms embargo on Somalia for eight months. We would like to see a greater freedom for member states to provide material support to the legitimate Somalian government. While we are not proposing a complete removal of the embargo on Somalia I would like to propose that the United Nations moves to adjust the embargo to enable the Federal Republic of Somalia to purchase equipment that would help bolster its ability to train a army, fight terrorists, and defeat other elements that are operating within Somalia that seek to destabilize the country, and the region as a whole. Edited by Vonar Roberts, Oct 4 2014, 12:41 PM.
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| Jos1311 | Oct 13 2014, 06:05 AM Post #11 |
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United States Ambassador to the United Nations High Representatives, I am absolutely displeased with the news that we have been receiving. The news indicates that arms shipments have been provided by Beijing to Somalia, and despite regulations concerning these shipments, the UN Committee that needed to be informed prior to any delivery, has been completely ignored by both states. I find this a regrettable situation, and I call upon both Mogadishu and Beijing to address this chamber on said matter immediately. |
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| Vonar Roberts | Oct 13 2014, 12:51 PM Post #12 |
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LIU Jieyi, Permanent Ambassador of the People's Republic of China to the United Nations Mrs Powers, let me get this right. So first you dismiss the issue of the arms embargo and the other problems facing Somalia as "unimportant," and then your suddenly displeased at the outcome when other countries provide arms to the nation in question in a effort to assist them deal with their domestic security problems? With regards to the UN committee on Somalia a report will be filed by years end on the amount of equipment provided by my government to Somalia. We will also be looking into the report provided by Major General Francis Nthenge on the current situation, and will be considering the feasibility of a Chinese contribution to the African Union Mission In Somalia that will provide the tools necessary for better Border Surveillance for the African Union Mission in Somalia. |
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| DK_FROGGY | Oct 14 2014, 06:55 AM Post #13 |
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![]() H.E. Dr Elmi Ahmed Duale - Permanent Representative of the Federal Republic of Somalia to the United Nations Esteemed delegates, Allow me to offer my sincere apologies for the oversight. Unfortunately, Somalia has been in such a state that it is subject to numerous resolutions and treaties, each with numerous requirements and limitations placed on my country. It is a difficult task to ensure that all of them are followed, especially with the governmental institutions being relatively weak. There were no shady intentions or ill meaning behind the oversight, and I sincerely hope this incident will not prompt the Security Council to reinstate the full embargo, as that would have catastrophic implications. The weapons shipment from China was truly needed, following six months of stalemate against Al-Shabaab. I further hope the incident will not deter any parties from conducting future arms sales or transfers. We will strive to follow the requirements in the future. I would further like to take this opportunity to thank the People's Republic of China for their generosity and help in our struggle against Al-Shabaab. |
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| Jos1311 | Oct 14 2014, 11:04 AM Post #14 |
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United States Ambassador to the United Nations Mr. Liu, Your conclusion could not be further from the truth and quite frankly I find it astonishing that you try and blame Washington for the Chinese actions, while Beijing itself has remained silent on the matter. Let me remind you that China had an obligation to inform the UN Committee, and it has been China that has refused to abide to this regulation. I find it extremely unsatisfying that you try and downplay this by suggesting that Washington dismissed the issue of the arms embargo and the other problems facing Somalia as "unimportant". This is you conclusions and rather than assuming such, I have explained the resolution itself to yourself, while also voicing that Washington would not support a complete lifting of the current embargo, as such would not make a positive contribution to the overall stability in Somalia. I even called for you to address the concerns expressed, which has not been done in any way, shape or form. With regards to the UN committee on Somalia, Washington demands that a comprehensive report will be provided immediately, and will not tolerate that a report will be filed by year's end. I again emphasize that Beijing and Mogadishu have an obligation to inform the UN Committee prior to any weapon shipments. I also would like to stress that the UNSC resolution that addresses the rules and regulations concerning arms shipments to Somalia, was approved by Beijing as well. |
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| Bobithy | Oct 15 2014, 12:47 AM Post #15 |
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![]() Vitaly Churkin Permanent Ambassador to the United Nations Russian Federation Esteemed delegates, distinguished guests; The Russian Federation is, and will always be, a strong supporter of the Transitional Federal Government in Somalia, and we are not at all opposed to the equipping and training of Somalia's governmental forces with the means to defend themselves and stabilize the country. In addition we are a close partner with the Peoples Republic of China. With that all being said, we cannot condone China's wiliness to bypass UNSC resolutions that it voted for. That is simply unacceptable. No matter what anyone said, a UN Resolution and especially one from the UNSC which is binding is not "unimportant" and it must be followed. However, if the Somali delegation wishes to bring further procurement to the sanctions committee Russia would support the further modernization and training of the Somali Armed Forces. Edited by Bobithy, Oct 15 2014, 12:48 AM.
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| Vonar Roberts | Oct 15 2014, 07:40 AM Post #16 |
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LIU Jieyi, Permanent Ambassador of the People's Republic of China to the United Nations Mrs Powers, Mr Churkin I must admit I am surprised and somewhat amused at the outburst we have received from the representative from Washington... Mrs Powers, I believe if you review the text of Resolution 2142 that was passed in March of (2014) you will find that United Nations member states only half to notify the United Nation Committee on Somalian arms sales and transfers within 30 day's after the delivery of arms and ammunition to the Somalian government. Not immediately as you have insisted. However since I have received the data from Norinco, and it is expedient to do so now here is a summary of the equipment that we have provided to the Federal Republic of Somalia.
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| Jos1311 | Oct 15 2014, 10:46 AM Post #17 |
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United States Ambassador to the United Nations Mr. Liu, I find it worrisome you find my response "amusing", as it, once again, becomes apparent that you fail to understand and correctly comprehend a UNSC resolution. I would like to point out that under article 3 of UNSC resolution 2142, the Committee needs to be notified at least five days in advance of any deliveries of weapons, ammunition or military equipment or the provision of advice, assistance or training. The term you are referring too, which almost has been expired as well, states that a written written confirmation of the completion of the delivery, including the serial numbers for the arms and ammunition delivered, shipping information, bill of lading, cargo manifests or packing lists, and the specific place of storage, will need to be provided. As far as I am aware more shipments will follow the last one, while you have also failed to provide part of the requested information. |
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| DK_FROGGY | Oct 16 2014, 05:31 AM Post #18 |
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![]() H.E. Dr Elmi Ahmed Duale - Permanent Representative of the Federal Republic of Somalia to the United Nations Esteemed delegates, I would like to provide an update on the situation in Somalia. We are working tirelessly to ensure domestic support for the Federal Government, in order to ensure political stability. We are seeing progress on this project and can hopefully soon strike a deal, seeing all factions and clans in the country uniting behind the Federal Government. As Major General Francis Nthenge has presented in this chamber, we still have a lot of problems with violent extremism, piracy, and organized crime. This is not only a problem for Somalia or our neighbors, but for the entire world. Terrorists trained in Somalia can target Western countries, just as they can target African ones. Piracy hurts international vessels, not just African ones. What I would like to present today is a roadmap for solving these problems. Major General Nthenge pointed out several causes and possible solutions. I would like to expand on the causes and present more concrete actions. While intertwined today, the origins and causes of piracy and organized crime varies. While organized crime is caused by the poverty and unemployment in Somalia, coupled with institutional weaknesses in the government, especially the police force. This is underlined by the large areas which are not within Federal control, but occupied by Al-Shabaab. On the other hand, the piracy started as a reaction to infractions on Somali national waters. Illegal fishing within our Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ), as well as dumping of toxic waste in the same area, led fishermen to establish their own coast guard, in the lack of a national or federal one. Now, organized criminals and terrorist groups opportunistically grabbed the chance and the armed fishermen defending the Somali waters suddenly turned into pirates. This, again, can be partly attributed to institutional weakness, namely the lack of a Somali Coast Guard, as well as the large stretches of coastline controlled by the Al-Shabaab insurgents, where Harardheere for example, has become a center of pirate activities. Now, with this information it is becoming clear that we have two main areas where we can battle piracy and organized crime: Improving the economy to remove the incitaments, and strengthen the institutions which can battle the criminals. I believe that with a little more equipment and funding, the Federal Government can make huge strides towards handling the current criminals ourselves. We envision acquiring a few more patrol vessels, like our two recently donated Type 025, to act as the main ships of a Somali Coast Guard. Along with the new vessels, we imagine the Coast Guard possessing a few airplanes to provide aerial reconnaissance. Dedicated maritime patrol aircraft are outside our financial scope, but planes like the Cessna 208 Caravan can act in the role. In addition to the creation of a functioning Coast Guard, we also plan to create an anti-piracy taskforce, for raiding pirate hideouts on land. Finally, the police force has already seen improvements, which we will continue to build upon. Regarding the removal of incentives for crime and piracy, we are in need of foreign nations to help us. We need the economy to be improved and job opportunities to exist. Investments in infrastructure would both provide short-term jobs and long term benefits for the economy. This could be in terms of paving more roads, projects to bring clean water or electricity to more people, improving sanitation in the larger cities, investing in, and improving, the agriculture, and finally in terms of dedicated microloans to Somali business owners and would-be entrepreneurs. We do not have the resources to undertake these projects alone, but we have the ideas and we have the manpower to do it. We just need foreign money, whether they are invested or donated. We beg the international community to come forward and help us in our project. It would not only help battle international organized crime, it would also improve the economy, improve the standards of living, and lessen the need for humanitarian aid. The time is for action, not talking. Thank you for your time. |
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