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| Koning | Mar 1 2015, 01:34 PM Post #1 |
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David Rachline Permanent Representative to the United Nations from the Republic of France Members of the United Nations we come before you today to speak of something that has long been an objective of many nations here and that is reforming the Security Council and adding new permanent members. For many years now it is has been proposed to expand the scope of the Security Council to the following countries of Brazil, Germany, India, and Japan and we believe that these countries have demonstrated through their economic growth and commitment to the policies of democracy and stability. We believe it is time for us to begin expanding the United Nations to include these countries rather than remaining a power bloc of the whitest and most wealthy countries presently in the world. |
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| Koning | May 24 2015, 03:44 AM Post #21 |
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Vitaly Churkin Permanent Ambassador to the United Nations Russian Federation Given the inappropriate behaviour of the German government in relation to the Russian Federation we cannot support giving the German government such a seat on the security council. Instead we would propose: Brazil India Likewise the actions of the Japanese government to intentionally derail the Six Party Talks makes us question their suitability for the Security Council. We cannot support Japan or Germany on the United Nations Security Council because of these reasons and would encourage limiting the size of new additions to just Brazil and India at this time. |
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| Jos1311 | May 25 2015, 03:14 AM Post #22 |
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Ukrainian delegation _____ With all due respect, however I do not believe that Moscow is in a position to judge about the political policies of countries such as Japan, and Germany. Utilizing your own reasoning, Moscow itself is not at all conducting as a responsible member of the international community, let alone as a permanent member of the Security Council. Your actions in eastern Ukraine clearly violate even the most basic regulations of the United Nations. That being said the Security Council itself is already horribly ineffective, and I fail to see how more permanent members will make the situation more workable. |
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| Koning | May 25 2015, 03:21 AM Post #23 |
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Vitaly Churkin Permanent Ambassador to the United Nations Russian Federation We understand that Ukraine would like to attempt to divert this conversation here to the problems they have created within their own country. Perhaps if Ukraine spent more time keeping up with its international agreements to which it is obligated it would not have the present situation it has on its hands. I remind you that there was peace in Donbass after the signing of the Minsk Accords that Ukraine did sign and did become party to and subsequently decided it no longer wanted to be a part of it and suspended all participation in the accords sparking conflict once again. So if Ukraine desires to speak about "international responsibility" I daresay they need to look no further than their own doorstep to see that they lack any semblence of responsiblity for even the signature of the Ukrainian government means nothing when they refuse to be held to the international agreements they sign only a few months earlier. We stand by our support for Brazil and India and will not support Germany or Japan in the UNSC. |
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| Jos1311 | May 25 2015, 06:39 AM Post #24 |
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Ukrainian delegation _____ Mr. Churkin, some vital information as to why Kiev suspended the Minsk Agreement is missing. As you are correct that Kiev has indeed suspended the agreement, but that this decision was based because of Moscow's continued direct military support towards the pro-Moscow separatists, a clear breach of the Minsk Agreement you are so loudly referring to. This violation by Moscow was the main reason for the decision by Kiev to suspend the agreement as a whole. I would like to point out to all delegations that this can be confirmed by independent parties such as the OSCE, as will they confirm that you continue to breach the most basic fundamentals of the United Nations itself, through the continued military support of pro-Moscow separatists. However this is not a discussion about that topic, but it again becomes apparent that Moscow tries to divert the subject, and provide false information and accusations if it is unable to address a matter that has been brought forward. On the topic at hand I believe it is evident that this Assembly addresses the main issue that has been voiced, namely that expanding the Security Council will make it even more ineffective than it already is. Unless this is addressed in a satisfactory manner, Kiev sees little reason t further expand the Council. I therefore request the delegations of the countries trying to seek a reform of the Security Council, how they plan to increase its effectiveness. |
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| Koning | May 25 2015, 07:27 AM Post #25 |
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Vitaly Churkin Permanent Ambassador to the United Nations Russian Federation You are incorrect. A ceasefire was in place after the signing of the agreement. Your attempts at trying to divert the focus of this assembly only speaks to the desperation of the fascist government in Kiev. We urge Ukraine to come back to international norms and to cease their attempts at hijacking this discussion with irrelevant matters that only point back to their own failings. |
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| Jos1311 | May 25 2015, 09:54 AM Post #26 |
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Ukrainian delegation _____ Mr. Churkin it appears that you are becoming entangled in your own web of lies. Perhaps we should invite the Secretary General Lamberto Zannier of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) to attend the conference at Gdansk and ask him to one more time elucidate the various OSCE reports on the Russian arms shipments to pro-Moscow separatists. I therefore again extend my invitation to Moscow to actively participate in those talks, and discuss this issue, and in the process ensure that these chambers will remain intended for the debate about Security Council reforms. |
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| Litos | May 25 2015, 06:48 PM Post #27 |
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Harald Braun Permanent Representative to the UN Russia cannot point out one incident of "inappropriate behavior" of Germany and your only complaint against Japan is that they signed, by the will of their own people, a defensive alliance with South Korea. All the joiners since the early 2000 made a pact to enter the UNSC and back eachothers bits, to enter together. The new Russian delegation demonstrates its lack of awareness of the international situation. Needless to say, we do not expect the other SC members to let you win. In comparison with the nonexistent German affronts and the Japanese defensive alliance, Russia moves in Ukraine are a much greater puncture of international law. Edited by Litos, May 25 2015, 06:49 PM.
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| C.E | May 26 2015, 03:23 AM Post #28 |
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![]() Permanent Representative of Israel to the United Nations Mr. Secretary General, The State of Israel agrees with the statement issued by the Ukrainian delegation. The UNSC must undergo a substantial audit that ensures that procedures are made more effective as we have seen for the past years, that the Council is uncapable of agreeing to anything. Now however the State of Israel remains to be somewhat sceptical of the entire United Nations, which have produced very little in terms of establishing peace and stability in the world. Yet, when all come to all, we do not oppose expansion of the Council following a substantial audit by the new bloc composed of Brazil, Germany, Japan and India. |
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| Uruk | May 26 2015, 04:38 AM Post #29 |
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Permanent Representative to the United Nations This kind of pointless bickering is exactly why the UNSC needs to be reformed, if the P5 nations are unwilling to let in new permanent members let us at least remove the veto power of the P5 nations that is both unbecoming this great organization but also hinders it from carrying out its primary mission that of securing world peace. |
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| Chris | May 26 2015, 05:05 AM Post #30 |
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Liu Jieyi | 刘结 Permanent Representative to the United Nations | 常驻联合国 Whilst the bickering is reflective of the current state of the Security Council, I do not believe that expanding the existing Security Council, nor removing the veto, are the right way to go. Instead I would propose new Councils to take specific responsibilities away from the Security Council, headed up by countries that meet certain criteria. A new Council made up those contributing and economically powerful states given responsibility for certain matters and given the lead on humanitarian and development programs, while the antiquated Security Council would retain responsibility for security matters. Bloating the Security Council with more arguing voices will not benefit the Council, it will only add to the indecisive and unproductive nature of it. |
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