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| Koning | May 15 2015, 12:28 PM Post #1 |
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![]() Владивосток, Россия Invited Parties: Russian Federation Republic of India People's Republic of China Topics: - Violations of Trade Secrets - Present State of Relations between India-PRC-Russian Federation respectively - Safeguarding Defense Industries - Any topics of interest to PRC or India |
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| Koning | May 15 2015, 12:31 PM Post #2 |
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Dmitry Medvedev Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Gentleman thank you for coming on such short notice. The Russian Federation has convened this meeting out of serious concern for what appears to be attempts at destabilization of relations between our three countries, an outcome we will not accept or take kindly to. We hope that these talks will be fruitful and will allow for our negotiations to be productive in working out a solution to the present situation we find ourselves in. I have asked our security services to make sure that these meetings are and remain private and restricted to a need to know basis as much of this information that may or may not be presented is information of a classified or restricted nature. The topics respectively that we will hopefully discuss are: - Violations of Trade Secrets - Present State of Relations between India-PRC-Russian Federation respectively - Safeguarding Defense Industries - Any topics of interest to PRC or India We will now open the floor to the Indian or Chinese delegation, wihchever decides to go first. |
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| Chris | May 15 2015, 02:12 PM Post #3 |
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Wang Yi | 王毅 Minister of Foreign Affairs I would like to begin by saying that the allegation that my country indulges in the violation of trade secrets or breaches of intellectual property is baseless. Prime Minister, I find it astonishing that a cooperative agreement agreed between our two countries can be derailed simply because India has thrown its toys out of the pram. It was abundantly clear that the agreement would not permit the transfer of weapons that India may have participated in the development of to China, nor would my country have any requirement or desire to obtain designs or schematics for such weapons. Regarding the state of relations between our countries, I would say that bilateral relations between my country and India are low as a result of India's provocative and reckless decision to send nuclear missile submarines into the South China Sea. Prime Minister, I'm sure that if the British or Americans were to sail a nuclear missile submarine into the Baltic and then conducted a missile test, you would feel equally concerned and the flagrant disregard for international norms and customs. I have no more to say on safeguarding defence industries, we have made clear that we will respect intellectual property rights and that the Treaty that we signed guarded existing systems. If the Indian government's petty jealousy is going to obstruct Russo-Chinese relations then this is a shame, but if a few billion dollars worth of exports is worth scuppering the Treaty for, then it is not my place to criticise you. We all have to make tough decisions. |
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| Uruk | May 15 2015, 03:06 PM Post #4 |
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Sushma Swaraj Minister of External Affairs One does not know if to laugh or cry when hearing Minister Wang talk about the deep respect his Government has for intellectual property while companies in the Peoples Republic of China is copying everything from CDs to Combat aircraft indeed there is a good reason why the expression "Chinese Copy" exists. This brings us to the Sino-Russian defence cooperation treaty that other than the obvious vehichles for the PRC to show the flag around the world under the guise of excercises also included the provision of transfering intellectual properties to a company jointly owned by the PRC and Russia. To be fair it excluded existing designs but there is NO mention of excluding designs and subsystems being paid for by India for use in designs and systems being developed jointly by Russia and India. |
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| Chris | May 15 2015, 03:16 PM Post #5 |
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Wang Yi | 王毅 Minister of Foreign Affairs I would like to assure you Minister Swaraj, the proposal for a joint defence company was not initiated by my own government, this was put forward by the Russian delegate at a time when we simply proposed increasing the number of bilateral exercises conducted between our two countries and proposed a technical cooperative agreement to undermine mutual threats directed at both Russia and China. At no point did we have in mind a joint defence company, but after this was proposed, it would have been poor manners to reject on the grounds it might upset a third party. Perhaps the wording is not watertight, but I think you can safely assume that the likelihood of my government seeking to obtain designs and subsystems that the DRDO are behind is very low. If the Tejas is anything to go by, by the time we had made our 'Chinese Copy' the system would be twenty years late and verging on obsolete... |
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| Koning | May 15 2015, 03:20 PM Post #6 |
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Dmitry Medvedev Prime Minister of the Russian Federation With respect Minister Yi the proposal of a joint defence company was made keeping in mind for future arms sales not the sharing of existing technology. You can imagine how surprised and shocked we were that our good hospitality was taken advantage of with the release of the Brahmos design in the form of a new Chinese weapon, something that was originally put together by the Russian Federation in cooperation with the Indian government and at no time was released to the Chinese government. The agreement we signed was an agreement to produce future weapons, not to share existing designs or weapons with you. Can the People's Republic of China explain how it obtained the almost identical design of the Brahmos that it used to built the present weapon unveiled today by the news media? We would like to know how the PRC came to possession and ownership of this technology. |
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| Chris | May 15 2015, 03:32 PM Post #7 |
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Wang Yi | 王毅 Minister of Foreign Affairs I appreciate that Prime Minister, and at no point did my government consider that by signing the Treaty that we would suddenly be granted with access to the archives of the Mikoyan bureau. What we had in mind was cooperating to produce designs by pooling our expertise in certain areas, not taking existing designs and sticking a new badge on it. The design of the CX-1 was developed in the late 2000s, long before this agreement was ever conceived of. The similarities between the CX-1 and the BrahMos are merely coincidental, in much the same way as a VW Passat and a Ford Mondeo look the same, but under the bonnet, are very different. |
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| Uruk | May 16 2015, 07:12 AM Post #8 |
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Sushma Swaraj Minister of External Affairs Its irrelavant what Minister Wang thinks of the DRDO and its products or that the PRC is yet to produce an original aircraft design. What we are seeking from Russia is that the all relevant data needed to finish the development of the BrahMos II, and FGFA be transfered to India and that any data, research and subsystems being developed for the FGFA,BrahMos II and HAL MTA/Il-214 be excluded from any Sino-Russian agreement. As for the CX-1 we are certain that there are sufficient changes made to be not quite a copy of the BrahMos, that doesnt mean its not based on research made for the BrahMos project but we will leave that part to be investigated by the FSB. There seem to be little will on the part of the PRC to resolve any issues affecting our relationship so we will take no further part in these talks. |
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| Chris | May 16 2015, 01:59 PM Post #9 |
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Wang Yi | 王毅 Minister of Foreign Affairs Prime Minister, as Minister Swaraj has left, where does this leave our Treaty? Premier Li sought clarification on which aspects have been frozen as a result of Indian petulance. In shorts, will the exercises continue as expected, or have all aspects been cancelled? |
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| Koning | May 16 2015, 02:02 PM Post #10 |
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Dmitry Medvedev Prime Minister of the Russian Federation We believe aspects as it relates to a joint defence company should be suspended indefinitely at this point however joint exercises in our eastern areas could be possible. |
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